EDITOR’S NOTE: – 741 petitions so far. When it reaches 1,000 comments, a hardcopy printout will be posted by registered mail each to Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, Phil Schiller and Jonathan Ive. It is deplorable that Apple refused to offer matte with the new iMac models of October 2009. More petitions are needed. HELP US GET TO 1,000 PETITIONS.
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Apple must offer the matte screen for iMac’s and all the MacBook/Pro models.
The matte screen issue will not die down even with the passing of time.
Because …
The glare from glossy screens causes eye strain for many people. The matte screen solves this eye health issue. This issue will not go away because whether or not a person is adversely affected by screen reflections is not a passing technological fad.
It’s not like Steve Jobs cutting the floppy disk from the first iMac in 1998. Ten years later, no one cares anymore because diskette technology has come and gone. Even the Firewire 400 protests will subside eventually. In a decade’s time, no one will care about Firewire 400 if less and less peripherals use it.
The matte screen issue is different. It’s not a technology that comes and goes.
Rather, the matte issue has to do with the physiology of the human eye. Some people are more prone to eye-strain when starring for hours at reflective surfaces. Although other technologies come and go, people will continue to get eye strain from extended viewing of glossy surfaces. People’s eyes differ, therefore some people are not fussed by the reflections from gloss screens; but many others are.
This is why, even 10 years from now in 2019, the matte screen issue will still be there. Indeed, in 10 years time we may be coming to the realization of what a decade of daily staring at highly reflective screens has done to our eyes.
Apple’s reasons for cutting the matte screen are flawed:
Steve Jobs says most people prefer glossy, but a google search for “matte glossy polls MacBook” reveals that around 40% prefer matte. Sure, technically, that means “most” people do prefer glossy, but 40% of the Mac community is not to be ignored. Skeptics try to dismiss such poll results by rationalizing that the poll-questions are skewed, but the fact is this large 40%-ish result is roughly consistent across many polls (see a sample of ten polls below at Comments No. 13 & 88 below).
Phil Schiller, Apple’s Vice President of Marketing, says you can avoid gloss reflections by tilting the screen, but this is simply not true in 100% of cases, as attested to by the protests on numerous blogs.
Maybe Apple thinks it’ll sell more Macs because glossy computers attract people in showrooms. But there are many Mac users who will not, and cannot buy new Macs because they cannot tolerate the gross reflections from gloss screens (for example, see the numerous comments below from Mac users, like myself, who refuse to buy a Mac with a glossy screen).
Maybe Apple realises it is not profitable for it to offer two types of screens. Then, don’t just cut the matte screen. Instead, to cover the costs, charge people more for it as an added extra. People are willing to pay. Why merely offer anti-glare on the 17 inch MacBook Pro? Extend it to the iMac and other MacBook Pro models too.
Many people in the graphics industry and photographers need matte screens particularly for accurate color calibration, and I’ll leave them to add further comments below since I don’t have experience in that area. As for me, I’m a writer, and I stare at a screen usually 16 hours a day. I just cannot tolerate gloss screens. If Apple does not bring back the matte option, I’ll see how long my white iMac and MacBook Pro can last for.
I will not buy a new Mac with a gloss screen. Right now, even though I am ready to upgrade both my computers, I am forced to keep my matte iMac and matte MacBook Pros going as long as possible simply because of the lack of matte screens.
At most, it’ll have to be a new Mac Mini coupled to a Dell or other non-Apple matte screen.
For the record, for about a year, I have regularly been using a glossy iMac (black bevel model) when I visit my parents’ home. From that experience, I find that glossy screens are superb in those environments where reflections can be largely minimised, such as where the only window in the room is perpendicular to the iMac’s screen, however, at my own home and workplace, the room arrangements require the computer screen to directly face the open, sunny windows. In those instances, the reflections from the glossy screen are intolerable.
Hence, we’re not saying matte is always better than glossy. There are enough supporters of both such that neither can be said to be superior. Apple must recognize that too, and not side only with the glossy camp.
In addition to leaving comments below, please also give feedback to Apple directly on bringing back matte screens to all Macs.
I believe Apple is doing a disservice to their loyal customers by not offering a matte display. At least offer this feature as an option like the Macbook Pros were at one time. Most the folks at our Macintosh User Group, of close to 300 members, also agree this should be an option. Apple could sell many more Macs with this matte option. Our family has held off the purchase of new iMacs due to the lack of matte screens. And yes, we have test driven a few and the gloss is not an option. The glare is too difficult on the eyes and makes photo-editing more of a challenge than fun. Sorry Apple, but you got this one wrong for your Apple Community.
Doug Clay
Costa Mesa, CA
I find it difficult to have the glossy screen. And would prefer matte options.
- Theodore
My experience of owning a 24″ Aluminum iMac for 10 months now is that I will NOT be repeating this purchase of a glossy screen Mac.
Whilst I appreciate the speed, I have been forced to move it to a gloomy location where the curtains are almost permanently drawn and yet I still have problems with reflections. The screen illumination cannot be set low enough to do a proper color set-up and the glare is so blatant that if you hold you hand a short distance from the screen you can see it reflected in the glass by nothing more than the light pumping out from the screen itself.
I have totally and utterly abandoned any attempts to do Photoshop work on this glossy iMac because I am always fighting that extra “layer” – the one with either reflections of myself or something from my surroundings.
There is absolutely no way you can orient the glossy screen so that you avoid reflections. It is so large, glossy and flat that it will always be pointing at something that will be reflected in the glass. Some people claim they can slightly tilt it or turn it to avoid reflections, which I doubt unless their desktop is covered with a black cloth or there is a black wall in the direction they turn.
As a solution this is alarming in its naïvety as nothing could be worse for any work than to view the screen from an angle. Both in ergonomic terms and to maintain color control, let alone perspective.
I have had these sorts of debates with Apple staff in Apple Stores. The Apple staff give the usual “no problems”, or “no problems you can’t fix”. I then totally silence them when I wave my hand in front of the screen and it is clearly visible in the glass. There is then an awkward silence before they change the subject and don’t want to talk about it. The usual “solution”.
Meanwhile I suffer the consequences: my eyes weep after prolonged usage, I make mistakes because it is difficult too clearly see my work and I am forced to give myself frequent breaks and go somewhere where there is actual ambient lighting that relieves my eyestrain. Also somewhere less gloomy so that I can read my paperwork.
I am an old Apple hand but it never ceases to amaze me the knee reflex apologies for anything that Apple does, no matter how blatant and against both the interests and stated request of its customers.
Maybe, just maybe, after Apple has had some time, they may not actually admit the mistake, but bring out an “amazing innovative” matte or anti-glare screen with the right level of illumination to be suitable for people working with graphics.
The reasons are clear why Apple are making all their Macs glossy. Apple wants their products to have a consistent look, so people have better product awareness, and “an iMac looks like an iMac.” They want standardized features … no one looking at used MacBooks in the future is going to have to wonder if a particular unit has Bluetooth or numerous other minutia that are Built-to-order options on other manufacturers. It lowers the complexity of stocking products, reduces R&D overhead, and reduces consumer confusion. A glossy screen, particularly one covered in glass, is easier to clean.
Here’s why Apple needs to offer the matte screen, even in the face of all of those reasons. People who work near windows will have a near-useless iMac in the daytime. Graphics professionals such as myself have trouble color matching when they are trying to subtract their own T-shirt color from the screen image because of the reflection. Many businesses in Europe have had to cancel Mac roll-outs because local occupational safety regulations (analogs of OSHA) prohibit glossy screens. There are also some indications that people with certain mild vision impairments have their issues exasperated by the glossy screen, particularly when reading lots of text (writers, programmers, or just avid readers).
If Apple want to keep the glossy screen as the “popular” one – to enhance their brand identity, and help subsidize stocking/R&D costs – they can charge $50 for it (but no more). This would keep the matte feature relegated to those that really want it. But the matte screen NEEDS to be an option, not just if Apple wants to extend it’s marketshare, but even if it want’s to keep the business of its base customers that have supported them for decades.
MacMatte Editor’s comment: dtemp, in the middle paragraph above, refers to European occupational safety regulations that prohibit glossy screens. See comment below (15 June, Andre S.) for details on these European regulations. How can Apple continue to sell glossy screens to European businesses? The regulations are there to protect workers’ health. Does Apple take steps to share the responsibility of protecting our eye-health?
I prefer a matte screen, having had the opportunity to try both.
Owning and administering a mixture of platforms and systems, some of which have glossy screens (MacBook, OQO, Toshiba), I can honestly say that the only Apple systems and displays I would consider for purchase would need to have a matte screen. Having used matte screens for years and working in a well lit office as well as outside, there is just no way I can comfortably work with a glossy screen. Glossy is a throwback to the days where we had to close the curtains and move our desks around to work on our CRTs.
No matte = no sale.
I agree with MacMatte that Apple should at least give the option for the matte display. Apple did this for the MacBook Pros for awhile. It’s not just many of the grown up folks either that don’t like the glossy displays. My wife teaches science and is activities director at a middle school in Huntington Beach, California. When the kids go into the Mac lab the glossy displayed Macs are the last ones to be chosen to work on. So there must be some truth to that also. At least we can HOPE Apple will give the matte an option in the near future. :::holding breath::: :-/
Blog Editor: See a similar comment by Paul Ryan below (June 29, 2009) – where another user reported that school children preferred using matte screens instead of glossy.
I have owned three Apple laptops since 2001. I don’t feel like replacing my MacBookPro, with another laptop until they have a matte screen. Apple seems to forget why people switched to flat screens to begin with.
I sit with my back to the window, both at home and in my office. Except on possibly the 13″ laptops, I could not imagine using glossy screens on any other. My current Macs are: iMac 17″, iBook 14″ and 15″ MacBook Pro with 20″ monitor, all with matte screens, thankfully.
C’mon Apple, for us, you are the only option for hardware (for your OSX software). We all understand the implications of too many products with too many options, but we spend many hours each day looking at the screens.
I do not know if it is viable but I remember being at a museum in Germany many years ago, and all the exhibits were in non-reflective glass and they were incredibly well presented. Non-reflective glass (or equivalent?) on monitors?
I have windows in my home office. If I am not on travel then I am in my home office 10 – 12 hours a day. The windows are behind me and my desk is built-in so I need an anti-glare screen – my PC and second monitor work fine as does my iMac, they have matte-finishes – a glossy Mac won’t work. My only option right now is to get the new 17-inch MacBook Pro and pay an extra $50. That is the only solution available to me so I am not going to purchase it; it is a money issue. I am going to wait. Apple just missed out on a sale for a 15-inch MacBook Pro if they would have offered an anti-glare screen (and I will pay $50 for a matte finish but I will grumble.)
Another negative fact regarding glossy screens: people susceptible to ocular migraines can have them triggered by glare and flashes of light. A matte screen helps to minimize this possibility.
As a film-maker I use a 3 year old MacBook Pro 15″ 2 GHz Intel Core Duo every day as my main work machine – shooting on location, at client presentations, in post-production, around the office, in the sound studio, corporate boardrooms, at the airport, in the hotel… the matte display is a dream to use in these widely varying ambient light conditions.
I would upgrade to a 15″ unibody MacBook Pro in a moment but I absolutely don’t want or need a glossy display. The 17″ model with the ‘non-glare’ display is not a viable option either – too large and heavy for my usage.
I have been an enthusiastic customer since 1991, if Apple can reconsider and kindly offer a matte display for the 15″ MacBook Pro – I’ll even pay a bit extra for the privilege.
A Pro machine should have Pro features.
Glossy is consumer – not Pro.
Verify this with Eizo, the maker of high quality LCD displays used in photo-processing, video and graphics work and aimed at the professional market.
http://www.eizo.com/
Not a glossy display to be seen.
I highly doubt your 40% claim. Could we have a link, or something? Also, do not forget most professionals use a separate screen for their work.
Blog Editor’s Comment: a response to this comment is given directly below by providing a review of online matte vs glossy polls.
Hi Jeremy,
Thanks for your comment. In response, consider these:
Question: What type of screen do you prefer on the MacBook (Glossy or Matte)
Glossy 32.31 % (10,007)
Matte 44.04 % (13,639)
Don’t Know 23.65 % (7,324)
Total votes: 30,970
http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=527
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Question: What are your feelings on the glossy-only screen in the new MacBook Pro (and MacBook)?
Love it, already ordered one! 523 (8.73%)
Looks sharp, planning on buying 861 (14.36%)
Looks good, but no plans to purchase 993 (16.57%)
Need to see it in person before judging 800 (13.35%)
Dislike glossy screen, but will buy anyway 868 (14.48%)
Hate glossy screens, will not buy because of it 1,815 (30.28%)
Other? 134 (2.24%)
http://www.macosxhints.com/polls/index.php?qid=2008glossy&aid=-1
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Question: Gloss or Matte? [are you well?]
Gloss – I like to shine! 31 50.00%
Matte! – I’m all about the dull sheen… 30 48.39%
http://digital-photography-school.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8489
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Question: Glossy or Matte (Not Glossy) MacBook Pro Screen?
Glossy 7 24.14%
Matte 20 68.97%
Neutral (Doesn’t Matter) 2 6.90%
You Can Choose? 0 0%
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=244206
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Question: Glossy or Matte Display ? (new imac vs old imac)
Matte 18 50.00%
Glossy 18 50.00%
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Question: What’s your display like?
Poll Options:
My matte is great 66 votes (54.10%)
My matte is bad 4 votes (3.28%)
My glossy is great 48 votes (39.34%)
My glossy is bad 4 votes (3.28%)
http://forums.macnn.com/69/mac-notebooks/318569/glossy-vs-matte-poll/
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Question: Glossy or Matte screen ?
Glossy 9 27.27%
Matte 24 72.73%
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/19/33640023-matte-or-glossy.html
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Question: What’s your take on glossy notebook displays?
Hate ‘em! (66%)
Love ‘em! (17%)
Don’t really care either way (17%)
Total Votes: 5,679
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2417
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86% preferred matte
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2006/10/8022.ars
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Question: Matte screen or glossy?
Matte 76.3%
Glossy 23.8%
Total Votes: 160
http://www.squidoo.com/matte-vs-glossy-screens
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Question (June 2009): After having used your glassy screen for 2-4 weeks, do you like it?
- Yes I think it is amazing and I totally got used to the reflections / they don’t bother me 53.85%
- I do notice the reflections and they bother me a bit (I WOULD PREFER MATTE), but I’m happy 27.47%
- No, I thought I would at first but the reflections are really bothering me and I REGRET THE PURCHASE 7.14%
- NO MATTE, NO BUY. I won’t let Apple force me to buy something I don’t want. 11.54%
Total voters: 182
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=731684&highlight=matte
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Question: Glossy or Matte?
Matte! 45% (2014 votes)
Glossy! 40% (1809 votes)
Meh! 16% (702 votes)
Total votes: 4525
http://www.9to5mac.com/node/1709
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Question: What type of screen do you prefer
Anti-Glare: (300) 86%
Glossy: (29) 8%
Indifferent: (19) 5%
Total Votes: 348
http://lenovoblogs.com/designmatters/?p=71
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Question: Glossy, Matte, or No Preference?
Matte (68) 74.73%
Glossy (17) 18.68%
No Preference (6) 6.59%
voters: 91
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=876409
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Question: What type of display do you prefer in a notebook?
Matte (85%)
Glossy (15%)
Total Votes: 348
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=4408
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Question: Would you like a 13/15-inch MacBook Pro matte screen option? (19 July 2009 – 19:44)
No, the glossier the better! 27% (297 votes)
Yes, please. The shine is affecting my work! 70% (764 votes)
Comments! 3% (28 votes)
http://9to5mac.com/node/7640
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Question: Are you happy with Apple’s concession to add a matte option to the 15-inch MacBook Pro?
Yes, I hate glossy! 66% (1344 votes)
Matte is lame. GLOSSY 4 LYFE. 11% (215 votes)
Who cares? 23% (469 votes)
Total Votes: 2028
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/08/matte-display-option-makes-a-quiet-return-to-15-macbook-pro.ars
Thanks for gathering that information.
The number 1 thing I take away from your tabulation is that more respondents clearly want matte (44%) than those who want glossy (32%).
A huge contrast to Apple’s statement that their customers want(ed) glossy.
Chris Pirillo conducts a real-time, matte vs glossy poll of around 100 live viewers, and the instant result is that 63% prefer matte.
Tilting the screen never works to eliminate glare. Try using a glossy screen on a sunny day with a window right behind you. The screen is unreadable. If you tilt the screen to eliminate glare you have to tilt it so far that you can’t read anything. Hopefully the matte screen MacBook Pro that I have will last long enough until Apple releases a new matte version of the 15 inch Macbook pro. If not it’s back to Windows for me.
My 17″ Powerbook was stolen at the end of October and I had already been planning and budgeting for a new 15″ MacBook Pro and an Apple Cinema Display.
I’ve found the glass viewing surface on the new MacBooks and the 24″ display to be so unpleasant that I procrastinated purchase for several months (existing with just a pre-glass iMac at the office}. Finally, I found a used 24″ pre-glass iMac which I have purchased for my home office. I will consider a used MacBook Air for travel, but basically, I’m learning to live without a laptop (for the first time since 1993). I would buy a non-glare 15″ MacBook Pro and a 24″ cinema display tomorrow if they were available.
Like many others, I checked the glossy screens on MacBook Pros and iMacs as well and found them very eye-straining. This means I will not be able to upgrade to a new iMac in the forseeable future as I believe that Apple will continue to force Glossy on its customers no matter what they say.
The only thing I can imagine is the Matte-option of the 17 inch MacBook Pro trickling downwards, of course at a premium, a usability surcharge so to speak.
I think the only way to get Apple to change this is a lawsuit on the grounds that it is not compliant with workplace regulations regarding monitors
I’m an old Mac veteran from the earliest Mac 128k’s, so to say the least I have a lot of experience using Mac computers over the years.
As we all know, the earliest computers used CRT’s and us fortunate ones had anti-glare screens hanging stupidly in front of them to reduce the glare and reflections.
In fact, many of us graphic designers would not work unless the employer would provide these anti-glare screens as our days under deadlines would extend for as much as 20 hours at a time!
When LCD’s came out they were matte. Some complained a bit that the color was off a bit, but using them for a few hours we began noticing they were much, much easier on the eyes. Our nightly headaches and eye rubbing soon disappeared. We were happy workers again.
Now of course the new glossy LCD screens are not CRT’s but have the same features as them by having a glossy/glassy type surface which reflects anything it can and obstructs the viewing image. So back comes the anti-glare filters and hoods to accurately see what you need to be working on!
I refused to buy any computer with a glossy/glassy surface, but a girlfriend of mine wanted the new white MacBook so bad despite my warnings, so I got one for her. Well I took a few hours to set it all up for her as well as taking a few hours a day here and there to school her in using computers. I started noticing I had those old tired eyes and headaches again. I was right not to purchase a glossy screen computer for myself!
I read an article online (I wish I could find it!) from what appeared to be a very knowledgeable eye specialist stating that the cause for the eyestrain of glossy screens (even TVs) is the slight distance between the slightly out of focus reflective images and the actual images. Eyes are refocusing automatically and because the two images are so close and yet one or the other is out of focus your eyes are working overtime between the two images. It’s this that causes the eyestrain, then the headaches and the muscles of your eyes being overworked and even failing to work properly!
Now I’ve had a lot of conversations with people on this subject. The young with brand new eyes and strong muscles don’t see a problem with glossy screens. Of course they are the ones you tell them fire burns and yet they still need to put their hand into a campfire to prove it to themselves!
Now Apple has put a volume maximum limit on iPods to protect our ignorant youth’s hearing (you’ll thank me when your older) but has ignored the potential damage to our youth’s eyes with these glossy screen computers.
Now just like the volume control on iPods, the choice is there, so should there be a choice with glossy or matte screen options on all Mac computers.
Since this can cause a problem with production, not knowing how much of either to produce, I suggest Apple take an innovative approach and modify their screens to allow the consumer (or even a Apple Store employee) to easily make the appropriate modifications.
Peel and stick anti-glare filters trap heat, crack, bubble and peel. They collect dirt and grime, require replacement regularly. They are certainly not perfect in their application. They might also void AppleCare or warranties for that matter. People have been known to cut their screens with the exacto knives used to trim the anti-glare filters excess!
I implore Apple to take this problem seriously. It’s affecting their hardware sales.
I kid you not. I had two older folks with nothing but time on their hands and money up the wazzoo who wanted a carefree computer to get online with. I suggested a Mac and showed them mine (a matte screen MacBook Pro) so off they go to the local Apple Store and come to find out the only choice they had was an oversized pre-tax $2500 17″ MacBook Pro that was grossly more computer than their meager internet/email needs. They would have gotten a “silver MacBook” but they were all glossy and reflecting the lights of the the Apple Store. They said they had difficulty “seeing” the screen because of the “lights overhead”.
So the lack of matte screens (a vital hardware choice of many) is killing Mac sales, plain and simple.
Now if an Apple Store salesperson saw they were losing a sale because of the glossy screens, with my suggestion they could assure the customer that the glossy can be removed and replaced with a matte, IN THE STORE IN A FEW MINUTES!
That would settle the problem and future proof if a customer has regrets and wants to switch to either matte or glossy.
I needed to replace an aging iBook 14″, and bought a Macbook without knowing the impact a glassy look on the display would have. I have never liked this new Macbook because of it. I get just as tired using it as I do a CRT with a PC at work, and I miss the iBook’s matted display something fierce.
I actually had to buy a matted LCD TV to use as an external monitor for the Macbook just to escape its glare.
I will never buy another non-matted display product again. My next computer is likely to be a Mac Pro which I’ll hook up to a matted Samsung LCD TV or something.
I suffer from migraines and never had issues with the old screens or even my matte, first generation MacBook, however, on both the new glossy MacBook and my office 24″ iMac the slightest glare flares up my migraine headaches to the point I can’t work. (I love it otherwise in every way but the screen).
I’m now stuck trying to find an anti-glare solution to apply (none I’ve seen have good reviews thus far).
I’ve even read that non-clinical migraine sufferers complain about headaches working with the glossy screens ….
I can’t tell you how livid I was when the iMac’s (August 2007) were only in glossy screen. Even now, my blood boils.
And when I see the poll at macpolls.com — which I voted on before writing this post — and I see that 44% prefer matte screens vs 32% for glossy, I feel like raging against the light.
My computer is my workplace, and I stare at a screen typically 16 hours a day. NO WAY am I going to stare at a glossy screen. (And yes, I have been into stores several times to test the glossy screens of the MacBook and new iMac).
Since I want a large 20 inch screen to work on, I’m faced with the prospect of keeping my trusty iMac matte for as many years as possible, and then switching to a Mac Mini with normal LCD screen.
Look, it depends on how you phrase the question. If you ask “do you like matte or glossy”, then you get all these people commenting on how they like the pop colors, when these people mostly don’t stare at the screen for 12-16 hours a day, with backlighting or with a window in the background.
The question should be phrased:
1) for seeing movies, do you prefer M or G?
2) for working long hours staring at the screen, do you prefer M or G?
3) for graphic arts, do you prefer M or G?
I’m not against glossy-fans. All I ask for is CHOICE — which Apple doesn’t give.
AMEN TO THAT!
I am about to be forced into a glossy screen at work and I am NOT happy!
I support a choice of matte-screen iMac and won’t buy an iMac with a glossy one.
I’ve got a glossy MacBook (great) and glossy iMac (tolerable) at office. I am ready to replace the iMac at my home office for photo editing and I’m STUCK. I can’t imagine trying to color correct for photo prints on a glossy screen. Put a decent MATTE screen on the iMac and I’ll probably buy within 30 days.
I couldn’t agree more. I have a wonderful little white matte imac – and my only choice now is either
a) the steel gloss (ughg)
b) or a MacBook Pro with external monitor
c) or a tower with external monitor
And b) and c) are at least a thousand dollars more expensive … just so I can save my eyes … it’s madness or hubris that Apple are trying to force this issue. Bring back the matte!
The glossy iMac is a great machine—but it’s way too bright! I’ve gone to System Preferences and reduced brightness to the minimum level—and it’s still too bright. I don’t like seeing my reflection either.
The damn glossy screen was the only thing that prevented me from buying the new iMac. Apple, we NEED an option.
Well, I could basically copy the exact text of one of the previous commenters, ‘cuz that is my exact problem:
“The damn glossy screen was the only thing that prevented me from buying the new iMac. Apple, we NEED an option.”
I would have bought a new iMac ages ago if there was such a thing as an option for a matte screen. The glossy screen is totally unusable in my situation…
I completely agree that they should offer a matte iMac as an option. The glare from my glossy screen has been irritating me for months now. Until I found the solution. Get some suction cups and take off the glass covering the screen on your iMac. Voila! Underneath is a perfect, matte screen.
Your computer wont look as nice with the glass of, but in my opinion it’s worth it. If you want to see pictures of how its done, search for pages describing how to upgrade hard drive etc on the imac, and just do the first step. Best of luck
Bring back the IMac with a Matte screen. Please.
Apple’s VP of Marketing, Phil Schiller, says: “Our customers love the glossy screen. You offset the reflection by the brightness, and consumers love it. One of the great things about a notebook is you can turn it however you want!”.
Honestly Phil, that’s got to be one of the most air headed comments I think I’ve heard. Now, if Apple feel marketing gloss over matte provides more sex appeal that’s fine. However it’s Apple’s decision not to at least offer the matte option that bothers me, because it sends the message to a certain demographic they have minimal interest in your requirements as a customer. To go all gloss is a design decision that has little to do with usability but more to do with scale of economy. In other words, it’s easier for them to make ‘one size that fits all’ products.
Apple’s Mac business model is based around ‘up sell’. You don’t like the iMac display? Then stick a piece of film over your $1,500 computer. Otherwise, spend more, buy a MacPro and use whatever screen you like. You don’t like the MacBook Pro 15” screen? Great – move up to the 17” matte, but that’s all we’re offering, okay? Of course there is another thought – perhaps I don’t end up buying anything. So that leaves some of us in a tight spot, doesn’t it? We’d like to run OSX but suddenly the hardware offering becomes restrictive in a classic Apple like it or lump it deal. For such an innovative company at times they lack some common sense. But then ergonomics has never really been their strong point.
I’ve been a Mac user (exclusively) since I got my first computer (Macintosh Plus) in 1988. My second Mac was an SE, and I still remember the headaches I got from it before I got a Kensington glare filter — and what a huge sigh of relief it was the minute I installed it (I could feel my brain relaxing in places I didn’t even know it had).
It was also about that time — in my late 40s — I began to need glasses; I suspect all the hours spent gazing into fuzzy CRTs — CRT = cathode ray tube, i.e. a ray gun — had something significant to do with my eyes’ failure. I got a Mac Portable as soon as it was within reach (remaindered at $1200) and have used flat screens exclusively since (except for a Radius Pivot I had for a few years, connected to an accelerated IIsi for graphic work — and covered with another Kensington filter).
As a frugal, conservation-oriented type, and since my needs have never been great, I’ve always bought used/refurbished/remaindered, for myself and my generally impecunious clients. In January 2007 it was time to move up from my PowerBook G4, and I found a 2006-model 17″ MacBook Pro remaindered (new, full warranty) for $1800. Glossy was then available as an option, but I stuck with what I knew and got matte.
Then this January it was time to upgrade again. I went to a local store to look at the 17″ MacBook Pros (the Unibody wasn’t out yet); after just a few minutes I knew that living with a glossy display would be a continual low-grade headache. (I also didn’t care for the new high-resolution displays, which like the glossy finish seem to be aimed at young people with new eyes.) Fortunately I found another remaindered previous-year model (from the same dealer again), so I’m set for another two-three years.
What I’ll do then I don’t know; I’m hoping Apple will see the light and begin to offer non-glare options on all their models (I don’t expect to buy another 17″ MacBook Pro, since the high-res display is just too microscopic). (I haven’t seen the non-glare Unibody 17″, so am just hoping it’s “matte” enough to meet the needs of this constituency.) If not, I guess I’ll have to spend an extra $200 on TechRestore’s mod — which actually replaces the display (not just the glass cover) with the previous-type matte LCD (they keep your glossy one to use for repairs on glossy customers’ machines).
As Apple old-timers know, this “we know what you want and we’re going to give it to you” attitude goes way back — to the original Mac, in fact, with its fixed 128K of memory and totally closed, non-customizable design. Steve’s a genius, to be sure, but like many geniuses he sometimes suffers from an inability to see any point of view but his own. People are different, and have different needs and wants. Certainly no one wants to go back to the Performa days, with dozens of confusing options that even Apple couldn’t keep straight; but it surely wouldn’t hurt Apple to provide just a few choices that make a real difference to a lot of users.
I never thought anything could sour me on Macs but Apple has managed to do it! I’ve been a loyal Mac user and supporter since the 80’s but have not been able to upgrade because of the glaring screen. I used to enthusiastically encourage frustrated PC users to try a Mac but can no longer do that. By refusing to offer a matte option Apple is losing current sales but more importantly they are losing the support of former loyalists like me. It will take a while longer but in time they will feel the impact. Meanwhile, Apple has turned me into a PC user!
The real issue with the glossy screens is that color correction is impossible on these screens because you quite literally don’t know what IS the correct color – it varies as your head moves and with only the slightest degree changes from left to right, and top to bottom. The reflection issue sucks, too, but at least could be simply dealt with. But there is no solution to the crappy corner-to-corner color performance with these screens. I will not buy a new mac of any kind until Apple comes back with a matte screen. Already our studio went to ebay for used machines with matte screens. They will last as long as I can keep them going. But worst of all, Apple has committed a “Borg-like” move, forcing crap on customers who willingly would have paid more for a matte monitor. Instead of choice, they use coercion – always a bad business model.
No Glossy – never never!
In our company we work only with matte displays. As pro’s in our printing business, glossy screens are stupid and just made for the consumer market like “Helga from any village somewhere in Germany”
We just work with our white iMac’s and Elsa matte displays for the MacPro’s. We’ll never invest in glossy displays.
Why don’t Apple support his origin pro customers at this point? Don’t forget Mr. Jobs – We made you successful!
Thx
I’ve been a designer for 4 years and was force to publish work from my laptop (a Dell XPS Gen 2). Days later I’d check the end product on my home matte LCD and would be amazed at how many details I missed.
I’ve been considering purchasing Macbook Pro 15″ but I just cannot handle the glossy, and these new Macs are WAY more glossy compared to the older ones. I guess Apple figured out they sell more Macs to the occasional buyer looking for shiny cuteness. Remember when you go to the Apple store, their store is fully and well lit in a way that doesn’t really show how annoying that reflection on the screens are.
Just plain bad choice from Apple. Matte should NOT be an overpriced option, and certainly not denied altogether like on the 15″ macbook pro.
MATTE BACK TO THE PEOPLE!
I’ve seen new TV’s in Japan with antiglare glass, but there are also new model super large HD TV’s which are displayed in a blackened out environment. They have gone to a lot of trouble to hide the terrible reflections. The color was inspiring with HD movies but even in the Diehard 4 helicopter scene I was distracted by people milling around me, just like in the Apple store where I ended up checking reflections to see what was going on behind me.
There is a gap in Apple’s line up. Do they think it’s cool to ignore it! They are more like ‘GANKO’ but reality bites and the gap is now being exploited by various startups around the world, positivety at last. If I could get a hold of one in Japan I would go for it straight away. The MacPro is elitist and the iMac is very limited and does not age well. In my experience give them 3 years to 4 years before they start failing. I have 2 out of 3 with broken parts……. I’ve said enough. I need a new machine to replace my out of warranty iMacs. I cannot buy an iMirror, no way… so I am considering all other options with increased enthusiasm.
Thanks for the blog space.
I’m dreading the day when a new 30″ will be released, as it most likely will be glossy too. This means I’m gonna have to paint my walls, windows and myself black, if I were to buy one.
Why only 35 comments? Is this issue not hot?
I work on my computer 8-10 hours per day and both the [glossy] iMac and MacBook Pro are completely unusuable for that length of time without getting incredible eye tension at the back of my neck and eyes that feel rough/raw. My mid 2007 MacBook Pro with matte screen has no such issues no matter how long I work on it, or what the room lighting is like.
Apple have got to sort this out. I was a switcher in 2007 and would hate to have to switch right back when my 3-yearly upgrade cycle comes around next year … but make no mistake Apple, if that’s the only choice I’m left with then that’s precisely what’ll happen. I value my health way more than even the joys of OS X.
According to Ars Technica, Lenovo, the new owner of IBM’s PC line, released the results of a survey that asked one simple question: do you like your laptop screens glossy or matte?
A whopping 86% of their customers prefer matte finish over 8% glossy.
So all of Lenovo’s computers are cool, easy on the eyes matte finish.
Dell sells matte finish computers as well.
Apple has to realize they are the only legal provider of OS X capable computers.
They just can’t just make radical design changes that affect the health of its users without suffering adverse penalties.
NO MATTE OPTION? NO SALE!!!
pass the word, link to this site and pressure Apple with your wallet!!
“I prefer a matte screen for one main reason. I detest looking at dirt specs and smudges. I don’t want to have to clean my monitor every day… or several times a day. Glossy screens are bad about that. They show *everything*! However, the colors are more vibrant on a glossy screen, and the blacks are richer. A matte screen is non-reflective, but that can be a pro OR a con. It depends on your preference, again.”
“Thanks to Ustream, I have the capability to do a live poll via my stream. I asked our viewers and chatters which type of monitor they prefer. 65% chose matte, while only 35% chose glossy.”
“Thanks for validating my opinion, guys. It’s a matte screen FTW.”
http://chris.pirillo.com/glossy-vs-matte-lcd-monitors/
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2006/10/8022.ars
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how_to/4213062.html
The matte/glossy issue is often referred to, in articles and blogs, as controversial. It can only be controversial if there are sufficient number of matte supporters. If matte supporters were, say, 5%, then it would not be controversial. Whereas, the fact is, there is a substantial minority (around 40%) of Apple users who want matte screens. To get a feel for the depth of sentiment against Apple’s removal of matte screens, do the following google searches. (The quotation marks search for the specific phrases).
“refuse to buy” glossy imac
“will not buy” glossy imac
“cannot buy” glossy imac
“cannot stand glossy” imac
“will not get” glossy imac
“won’t buy” glossy imac
“hate glossy” imac
“glossy sucks” imac
“do not like glossy” imac
“dislike glossy” imac
“detest glossy” imac
“cannot use a glossy” imac
angry glossy imac
shit glossy imac
“glossy crap” matte imac
“cannot stand glossy” matte imac
“I prefer matte” imac
“I like matte” imac
“bring back matte” imac
“I need matte” imac
glossy matte livid imac
“eyes start to hurt” glossy matte imac
“eyes hurt” glossy matte imac
“get a headache” glossy matte imac
You can also repeat the searches, substituting “iMac” with “MacBook”
I now have 2 years of using Macs, iPods and iPhone without issues or problems…
but here are some thoughts about the new unibody MacBook Pro
The black bezel+glossy screen is the ONLY reason which kept me off buying the Unibody MacBook Pro.
I already have a early 2008 MacBook Pro 2.5GHz bought from my local Apple reseller.
Unfortunately I can’t upgrade to the 17″ antiglare MacBook Pro model but I think for a computer costing from 1800 to 2200 EUROS (2540 dollars base price in Europe to 3000 dollars top line 15 inch….) my dear Apple SHOULD have predicted the implementation of such a feature….
Not everybody are 20 year old’s playing games, chatting on Facebook and watching movies.
I work in the medical sector (medical student AND worker in a clinic) and having to analyse medical data on a glossy [screen] is painful for my eyes (myopia) in an environment with 2 windows in my back so in house so at work…
Had a glossy MacBook Pro for 10 days … changed it with no question…
Other computer manufactures have the option of antiglare in computers of 1300 Euros. WHY NOT Apple?
It seems that Apple is becoming more consumer than ever…
AND … Phil Schiller saying for the 17 inch ”I’ll show you the glossy one cause is my favourite” — this is fairytales …..
I want to take the new unibody for reasons of robust structure AND future proof technology … but with a matte or antiglare…
ps. sorry for my poor English.
Folks,
Please for God’s sake tell Apple your feelings about the lack of anti-glare options in their computers.
This is a serious problem and not just a fashion aversion. We can’t use glossy screen computers.
Please do a feature/design/ease of use request and use your Apple email on their records to show you’re a steady buyer of Apple products.
Tell them your needs for anti-glare options.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/
As a photographer and a Mac user since 1994, I will be purchasing a Windows notebook with matte screen to do my studio and location work. I need accurate color for what I do and you cannot properly calibrate a glossy screen. Sadly, Apple has overlooked the industry that has stood by its side since the beginning.
Me too, me too. Could care less about all the arguing — just my personal preference not to have glossy. Have used both extensively now, and simply prefer matte by a wide margin. No rational, compelling reason: just an consistent emotional reaction.
Personally, I find it extremely difficult to comfortably work on a glossy display. I do CAD and 3D work and starring at 3D wireframe models all day is brutal on a glossy display!
As a MacBook Pro user who travels often, it is extremely difficult to situate myself in ideally lit positions.
I recently purchased a pro 26″ Viewsonic VP2650wb display. Matte screen. That’s $700 that went to ViewSonic, NOT Apple. I would have preferred buying an Apple display, but was not given a choice. As a loyal Mac user since 1985 (Mac 512K) it’s rather disheartening to see Apple ignore their CORE GROUP OF USERS. We’re the ones who stuck with you, kept buying your products and kept you afloat!!!!
If I’m spending over $2000 for a laptop that I use 10 hours or more per day, I want a choice of screen finish, just as I have a choice in RAM or hard disk size and speed.
Just give us a choice. That’s all we’re asking for.
Add me to the list of people who want Apple to offer a choice of screen finishes, for many of the reasons already presented here.
Bring back the matte!!! The GLASSY screen gives me headaches!!!
Typing this on a matte 15″ MacBook Pro attached to a 24″ matte Apple Cinema Display… Will the next machine be a Lenovo with its superior keyboard and matte display? Might be!
I own a MacBook Pro with matte screen, and when I need a new one in a year or so, I’d prefer heavily that the one I get would be with Matte screen and Blu-ray.
I work at a design school. I cannot tell you how much outcry I am hearing from the graphic design, video, animation and especially the photographers. Apple is moving their product lines closer to the consumer market which is good for market share… but they are forgetting about many of the folks who kept them going all these years… artists. My constituents are are often out of doors, in the field, dealing with the absence of power outlets for more than 7 hrs, and of course GLARE-o-PLENTY! How is that Pro?
Couldn’t agree more. I made the decision about 18 months ago to get an Aluminum iMac with the glossy screen rather than a MacBook Pro (which then still had matte screens) and a Dell 24″ monitor. Boy, was this the wrong decision. It’s impossible to avoid having something reflected in the screen in my not particularly bright office. The next effect is that part of the screen will always have low contrast because of the reflections, so I’m effectively losing part of the screen. And always moving my head around trying to read through the glare.
In fact I’m seriously considering buying another monitor or similar to plug into the iMac
The small 12″ Powerbook I kept at the same time is now 4 years old and needs replacing but what do I get?
It’s very annoying that Apple can’t provide a choice.
Hmmm…. Don’t know what to think about Apple anymore.
I didn’t upgrade my Powerbook last time round because of the glossy screen. I thought I’d wait until the next upgrade as there was so much uproar about it that the matte option was bound to be re-introduced next time around, even though it might be a Built-to-order (BTO) option like the 17″. But instead it’s got even worse!!!!!! I’ve got an old Powerbook Titanium that is better specced, processor/ram/HD aside, than the latest offering.
Apple produce applications for pro photographers, video pros and audio pros but don’t offer the hardware they need to work with them on the move anymore. I REALLY don’t want to go to a Microsoft Windows PC laptop but it’s got to the point where I don’t have a choice. Apple will be getting switchers, but in both directions, Mac users are being forced away by absurdly limiting hardware. I guess they’ve worked out that the trade-off is worth it, make gains in the consumer market at the expense losing the creative professional market. But that seems unnecessary. Why not offer a 15″ MacBook Pro that’s like a smaller 17″ and call those two the “Pro” models, and call the rest MacBooks. It’s that simple.
The Mac OS is great but it is severely crippled by the hardware now, if you need to be mobile. The great thing about Apple was that it always “made sense” and it always worked rather well. Apple doesn’t make sense anymore.
I’ve been using Macs for fifteen years now and have loved using them, but now I almost feel I have to turn my back on an old friend because they’ve changed in unacceptable ways.
Sorry Apple, I just can’t wait any more for you to provide the right tool for the job when others are providing it, albeit in a less attractive form.
For the variety of environments that I use my MacBook Pro in (and previously my G4 MacBook) I am extremely disappointed in the current lack of a matte screen option. I was fortunate enough to buy a MacBook Pro Intel Core2Duo when the matte screen was still available. Honestly I don’t know if I could bring myself to sacrifice the visibility and color correctness of a matte screen for all that I do in the future. A disappointing move by Apple to be sure. Why would you make so many perfectly happy consumers question the desirability of your new products?
I will not buy a new notebook until some manufacturer offers matte options again. It’s not just an Apple thing. Look around, and they’re almost all gone glossy only
Yep, can’t do a glossy screen. No matte is bad enough, but throw in the fact that you can’t change the battery and the MacBook Pro is no longer a computer I can use on location. I’ll be sad when my current model dies … hopefully Apple will come around by then.
“Lenovo recently ran an online poll asking its customers their personal preference, and the results are revealing.
An overwhelming 86 percent of respondents preferred the old-school anti-glare matte finish for their laptops, with only 8 percent voting for the glossy reflective finish. Only 5 percent were indifferent.” (per Ars Tech “Glossy vs Matte Fight!)
Therefore you can still buy matte screen laptops from Lenovo. (But legally can’t use OS X on them. A hackintosh is a lot of work and may not work right.) So you’re stuck using Windows or Linux.
Also TechRestore can switch out your glossy for a matte pretty fast for about $200. (no comp)
Apple only offers a 17″ MacBook Pro in matte/anti-glare (no difference) as a build to order option online, and may or may not have it in their stores.
I don’t advise anti-glare films, but it’s a option. Buy a few as you’re going to be replacing them.
With the recent shift of the MacBook Pro’s down the line and the near elimination of the MacBooks, the obvious trend is towards MacBook Airs, sans hard drive and superdrives, using new forms of thin high density solid state storage and SD cards for transfers.
Take a look at the specs of the Amazon Kindle and you’ll see where Apple is headed. Funny of course, the Kindle’s screens are all black and white matte finish to reduce glare and to mimic soothing paper as close as possible. No wonder they sold out fast.
Apple marketing is in control of our old buddy Phil Schiller, who just likes to tell us what we like.
“Our customers love glossy screens”
Well the fact is, your new ignorant consumer type customers love glossy screens and it goads them into an impulse sale easier: “look shiny”; but glossy fails in the practical use and pro department where people use their computers for hours in all sorts of changing environmental conditions.
Not everyone uses their Mac’s as a glorified cable TV in their mothers dark basement to eliminate reflections. Some of us truly have lives in the outside world and the reflections alone are a huge problem with glossy displays.
Take a look here and you’ll see.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2417
So why did I bring up the MacBook Airs? Because it seems Apple thinks they cannot make a matte screen version for them, due to new types of production or screens that thin in color can only be glossy. IF that’s the case, then Apple has written off making matte screens and is trying to get their user base used to the glossy idea. Because Apple is headed for a MacBook Air line only eventually, just like the Kindle.
Scratch MacBook Pro’s, superdrives, hard drives, removable batteries, upgradable RAM and storage.
The ‘Mac laptop of the future’ will be all complete on a logic board (including mass storage) and a plastic shell pressed around it with a ultra thin glossy color display attached. No user or tech serviceable parts inside, perhaps the battery and that’s all. So no third party options to replace the screen with a matte one if one so exists that thin.
If my predictions are correct, Apple then should at least have the decency to tell us that they can’t make or get thin color laptop displays in matte finish.
Because it’s obvious Apple are not listening to their customers overwhelming concern about the loss of matte screens and the effect it’s taking on our eyes.
Apple might be banking on only selling to glossy-only customers and forsaking the matte folks, so they increase their overall market share to compensate.
Apple wants to sell a certain type of computer and stamp them out like machines, that’s all, you either like it or go elsewhere.
“Our customers love glossy displays”
Says it all right there.
The comment above by MacMatteLover had a link to a ZDNet article by Jason D. O’Grady, entitled, “Why glossy screens don’t work in notebooks”. The article is dated October 21st, 2008.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2417
At the end of the article, there’s an online poll with the question “What’s your take on glossy notebook displays?” Naturally I voted that I hate glossy screens.
Here are the poll results:
Hate ‘em! (66%)
Love ‘em! (17%)
Don’t really care either way (17%)
Total Votes: 5,679
That’s 66% who hated glossy screens.
Jason O’Grady’s article, on Apple’s refusal to bring back matte screens, ends with him imploring Apple to “Stop the madness!”
I find it amusing and perhaps a little frustrating to observe that Apple – the company that built its reputation on a TV ad depicting the taking down of Big Brother – now behaves far more like Big Brother than IBM ever did. I wonder if Steve Jobs ever ponders this.
Question: Why does Apple sell glossy screen computers?
Answer: The PC side started first. The glossy screen computers sold faster than the dull looking matte displays on the counters at computer stores. Apple was last to the glossy party, fearing their computers would look dull with their better matte finish next to cheap glossy PC’s at Best Buy etc.
Question: Why do people choose glossy displays?
Answer: In short people like shiny things. Aside from the shine, there’s also a perceptible difference in sharpness and color saturation on glossy screens. These things stand out, and in a dark room free of reflections, they are indeed better. But not everyone lives in the dark.
Question: Don’t people regret their purchase later when glare, eyestrain and headaches rear their ugly heads?
Answer: In “shopping mode,” shiny, saturated, sharp is all people see. Customers aren’t trying to read the screens or move the laptops to different locations in different kinds of lighting. Shopping is almost always an emotional experience, not a rational one.
Question: I see that in most large online polls taken, the matte screen crowd outnumber the glossy screen crowd. Doesn’t that contrast with what Phil Schiller said that people like glossy displays?
Answer: When Phil Schiller said: “Our customers love glossy displays” he’s referring to the 50% of ‘new to the Mac’ users who are buying the shiny screens at Apple Stores. It’s not representative of the larger present and experienced computer users.
Question: Then why has Apple forsaken its present user base?
Answer: It would be better for Apple to serve all of its customers: new shiny ’suckers’ as well as experienced pros alike, with computer screens that they need in all models, instead of just one expensive model (anti-glare option only available for the 17″ MacBook Pro). The polls speak for themselves: most people prefer matte screens. And most people prefer 15″ screen laptops, which Apple doesn’t make a matte version for.
Apple is a driven creative company that is always looking for “the next big thing”, therefore they don’t stand still on something that works, rather they have a habit of switching up and telling people that’s what they are going to like from now on, so get used to it.
To combat this sort of “creatives run amok” behavior, the complaints to Apple have to be loud, repetitive and directed at the heads and source of the problem — the decision makers at Apple — or nothing will change.
The Queensland University of Technology has published health and safety considerations for Apple Macintosh glass or high gloss monitor screens.
The article is found at this website:
http://www.hrd.qut.edu.au/healthsafety/worksafely/highGloss.jsp
In the above article, the Queensland University of Technology recommends: “Consider the purchase of other types of monitors which are not high gloss.”
I have a four year old (matte) iMac G5 ALS, and a five year old 15 inch 1.25 GHz Powerbook. I use the Powerbook more than I use my original model MacBook Air, which is far more powerful than any of my other Macintosh. The cause is the glossy display on the MacBook Air, which I dislike (yes, it looked good in the store). I would have replaced both the iMac and the PowerBook in the past year or two had a matte display model of each been available. I live in the tropics, work on my computers in daylight, and my room is open to the breeze and sunlight. A glossy display with reflections simply does not work for me (my partner says she does not see the problem). I could try a 17 inch MacBook Pro, but the size is just too large for aircraft.
It is not just Apple with glossy displays. In a store recently, every notebook computer had a glossy display. Only one Netbook (an old Asus EeePC had a matte display). However some matte displays are still available elsewhere, especially in larger models.
So I have bought a 27 inch Dell (matte) monitor. I will upgrade both my iMac G5 and my Powerbook to as much memory as they can handle (not much more than I have). I will buy a replacement battery for my Powerbook. When my old models die, I will probably look at dropping OS X on some sort of clone, despite thinking this is unreasonable behaviour. That is all money that Apple could have had, if Apple made matte displays available as an option.
I think it is sad that Apple is losing sales because people like me refuse to buy a glossy display. I think it sad I cannot buy the matte display I need. No-one is winning in this situation.
I bought myself a 2nd hand white 24″ iMac Intel (2006) to overcome the time period of Apple not selling iMacs with matte displays. My old iMac G5 failed to satisfy with the applications I use nowadays. If in 3 years from now there still is no matte option for desktop use from Apple I may just opt for some “hackintosh” solution instead just to be able to use the type of screen I prefer.
I definitely agree. I’ve written countless emails to Steve Jobs and Apple. I’ve protested on as many sites as I could find … I don’t know what else to do. In my development environment, switching to any other OS is simply not an option. Hackintosh computers are quirky and are not to be trusted (I’ve been building them since the community first formed), and working on a glossy screened computer is the worst idea I’ve ever heard of.
So where does that leave me? I don’t think on a laptop it will be that bad because “you can always move”… but I am considering this: http://techrestore.com/xcart/product.php?productid=18467&cat=0&page=1
Now on the desktop LCDs there isn’t an excuse for this at all, and no option to convert them. That is why on my new Mac Pro I’m going with 2 non-Apple LCD’s. Their loss.
In addition to the eye strain issues:
In Europe there is a regulation on computer workstations:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31990L0270:EN:HTML
there it says regarding screens:
“(c) Reflections and glare
Workstations shall be so designed that sources of light, such as windows and other openings, transparent or translucid walls, and brightly coloured fixtures or walls cause no direct glare and, as far as possible, no reflections on the screen.”
So my reading is, that European employers need to install non-glare screens on their workstations. Otherwise this regulation can’t be fulfilled. I wonder how many European employees know about this regulation and demand fulfillment from their employers.
From this point of view Apple has no chance there.
My only choices are a Mac Pro or a Mac Mini. Last year I purchased a 24″ Samsung LCD after my 10 year old CRT gave out. The Samsung is not the best out there, but I like it a lot and it is a MATTE monitor.
It ran great on my old G4 MDD and now too on my used eBay Mac Pro.
Apple is losing market share by not offering a Matte screen on their iMacs, notebooks and stand alone monitors.
It’s only money. So Apple’s share holders should start hollering.
I previously had a 17″ MacBook Pro old style with matte screen and a 23″ Apple cinema display. Both worked great. But I updated to a brand new 15″ glossy MacBook Pro and a 24″ glossy cinema display. I worked with those for about a week and then enough was enough. I returned both the new glossy cinema display and the glossy MacBook Pro, and returned to my old 17″ matte MacBook Pro and my old 23″ matte cinema display and it was bliss.
I’m still interested in upgrading so instead I bought a 250GB vortex SSD for my old MacBook Pro which was great and now I kind of consider buying a 30″ matte cinema display while they are still for sale.
For me, glossy is not an option. Not any more. I have not tried the new 17″ MacBook Pro with anti glare yet but I’m kind of interested but I guess that I will have to see one first before buying.
Could not agree more with most of what’s been said here. Apple’s Phil Schiller cannot really be dumb enough to believe what he says about avoiding glare on glossy screens by moving the laptops around and tilting the screen to make them usable. Here’s a news flash for you Phil: I shouldn’t have to move my screen around (or myself – not always an option, depending on the location) just to be able to use my computer! And tilting the screen does not always solve the problem. When he said that, it was just incredible spin, pure and simple. I have a two month old MacBook aluminum and the glossy screen IS a problem. I finally bought an anti-glare screen protector for it – it is far from perfect (the pixels appear slightly blurry), but it’s better than the glare I have to put up with otherwise. Apple really needs to get their act together on this one!
Apple are a great disappointment. You expect them to have a high level of awareness, yet, they shoot themselves in the foot and do things as stupid as those on the dark PC side that they deride in keynote speeches. This matte screen issue is a big enough issue to turn people to other options and, now, Windows 7 might not be so bad. Alternatively there’s saving your money and getting the hardware you want in the form of a PC with OS X installed and spend the bundle you saved on a good gloss-free monitor. Myself, I hate the distraction of reflections while I’m working and trying to concentrate. I won’t stand for that. I’m in a position to be doing some work with Apple and it really puts me off doing business with people who display such poor judgement.
Apple, stop being stubborn so-and-so’s. Give the customers what they want. Provide an option for matte on every computer you make. It’s that simple. Even charge an extra $25, but provide the bloody option at least. I personally use glossy, but I know quite a few people that have bought a Windows laptop specifically because of this “issue”.
- Brendan
Thanks for this. It’s very informative read.
I love to browse macmatte.wordpress.com.
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WOW, have you seen the battery runtimes on the new MacBook Pro lineup? 7 Hours! Yes, s-e-v-e-n whole hours!! Pity, my eyes tolerate 5 minutes [with its glossy screen] …
Steve Jobs’ personal address is: …… [deleted by Blog Editor]
Write a clear and professional one page letter asking for the return of matte screens across the entire product line, especially laptops.
If you have a medical condition, please have documentation from your doctor stating your condition and the need for matte screens.
Do list the links to the online polls and articles.
Do state you cannot use glossy screens and will have no choice but to buy a ThinkPad or other Windows based matte screen computer, but prefer to keep using a Mac.
Do not threaten, do not whine, do nothing that you wouldn’t do in person. Use clear and precise English.
Do be aware that the mail most likely be forwarded to a P.O. Box and handled by a drone and not seen by Steve Jobs at all.
Personal delivery via Express Mail or other method might be the preferred method of reaching him personally.
Please don’t abuse this. This is an extreme problem and we need to get an answer and things changed or we all are doomed to a Windows existence.
thank you
I want a matte screen Mac because then the screen won’t be all reflective and distracting.
I’m a designer who wears glasses so I’m no stranger to eye-strain. Glossy displays of any type give me migraines after an hour or more. I originally bought a glossy 20 inch iMac (needed a new machine and couldn’t afford a MacPro) and in three days I bought a 2nd matte LCD to plug into it. I’ve since sold it and bought a Mac Pro with a matte NEC LCD and love it.
Then Apple decides we don’t need matte displays on MacBook Pro’s … or multiple FireWire ports.. or even an ExpressCard slot?!? So basically unless you want to buy the most expensive model MacBook Pro, you are SOL?
If this trend does not reverse within the next 6 months (I NEED a portable!) I will probably be forced to live in a Windows 7 world on my MacPro and buy a matte screen Lenovo for my notebook. Thanks for kicking me out of the club, Apple. I appreciate it.
I am a long term Mac user who has been involved in the graphics world for quite a long time now. I remember clearly in the mid-90’s those large Apple/Sony 21″ monitors with the special anti-glare screens. Monitor manufacturers were falling all over themselves to eliminate unwanted glare from the screens of people who use these things for long periods of time. Fast forward to today. We professionals are now all cursed with this FAD at the expense of Apple’s lust for market share as they offer the consumer ’shiny beads’. Regrettably, they have forgotten about the rest of us – the professional user – who do a heck of a lot more than pose ‘n’ poke at a web browser in a coffee shop. I was OK with the ‘consumer’ laptops having these slick-screens, but I can’t begin to tell you how irritated I was to hear the MacBook Pro line had eliminated matte screens as a STANDARD feature. (WHAT!) Currently, I own a PowerBook, iBook, and IBM ThinkPad T42 — all around 2006 vintage (with MATTE screens) — and until these misguided and greed-oriented firms wake up, I’ll be holding on to this gear as long as I possibly can. (Oh yes, if Apple doesn’t think I can do this, I’m still using a 1998 Wallstreet here too!)
Ticked? Oh yeah!
That’s right, Apple, I’m looking at you!
I really need a matte screen. I had a PC with a glossy screen and it was hardly usable. I wear glasses and tilting the screen is not always the answer. Also, I guess I’m ADD because when I move very much, I end up having to change the screen orientation on a machine with a glossy screen. Apple, please give us an option or at least a coating for a small cost which we can order with a machine. Thank you
My heart sank when I learned Apple was moving to all glossy displays. Thank God the 17″ still has a matte, anti-glare option. But this limits my Mac purchasing options to two products: the 17″ MacBook Pro and the Mac Mini. I already have one of each. I wanted a 24″ iMac since I can’t afford a Mac Pro Tower but there is NO WAY IN HELL I would EVER buy those horrid glossy screens. I cringe every time I see one.
I imagine sitting outside trying to use one and watching birds flying overhead as I strain to read text. Ridiculous.
I agree shiny looks nice in a showroom, but for real world use, forget it. I’d go back to a PC before I’d use a glossy screen.
Ironically, today a customer of mine saw my 17″ MacBook Pro (matte of course) and got envious. She said she wanted a Mac for doing artwork. I said to her, “Make sure you get the non-glossy screen,” to which she replied, “Oh definitely.” The thing is … I know that when she gets to the store and learns how much a 17″ MacBook Pro with Matte screen costs, she will walk out and just buy a PC for 5-600 with a matte screen.
Stupid decision Apple. I love you guys but … bad bad bad.
When I was recently in the market for a new notebook computer, I tried out the new MacBook Pro 15″ at my local Apple Store. The glare was insanely bad. I can’t imagine how anyone could look at it in any sort of environment with overhead lights and say, “It looks great!” Instead of buying a new MacBook Pro (the model that only comes with a glossy display) from Apple, I bought a used one with a matte display. Apple lost out on an easy sale of three grand. I sure hope someone at Apple starts serving my part of the market a little better, or next time I’m ready to upgrade it’ll have to be to a competitor’s product.
Apple’s marketing is also blinded by the glossy displays and pushes the company to a wrong way!
We professionals need! matte displays on iMacs. If glossy is Apples last choice, we have to look out for other solutions in our company.
I´m deeply frustrated!!!
Highly reflective screens are an impossibility for me … I live in a place where more than 50% of my “wall” space is windows, and I live on the top floor of my building. I won’t even consider buying any more Mac laptops if they only come with these highly reflective screens.
That being said, this seems to be a case of Apple decidedly NOT “thinking different.” They are merely blindly following the trend of TV flat panel makers in going glossy. And there, they are only doing it to make their showroom “torch mode” look more impressive next to the next set.
Apple knows the importance of having a matte screen option for those who make their living perfecting the tones and colors of their photos (and videos), otherwise they wouldn’t bother offering it on the 17″ MacBook Pro. In fact, though they’re all labeled “pro” machines, by only offering the matte screen on the 17″ model, Apple is ensuring that virtually all of the photographers and video pros who might have otherwise bought the 15″ model, will buy the 17″ instead. Even though you can argue the extra screen space is a big help to those professionals, the bottom line is this all equals more money for Apple.
Glossy screens interfere with the perception of the colors that are being generated from the LCD, causing an overly saturated appearance or otherwise creating minor variations between what you see and what colors are actually being used in a document. They also interfere with tonal range in some cases depending on lighting conditions and other factors. They can interfere with monitor calibration equipment and cause the profiles that are created to be slightly off, as well.
The bottom line is glossy screens are designed for consumer computer systems where the user is not concerned with these types of issues. If Apple wants actual pros to buy 13″ and 15″ MacBook Pros, they need to add a matte screen option. It’s especially pointless to add this “60% larger color gamut” bit (which, by the way, is not saying a lot – the old screens had a pretty pitiful gamut) and use it as a marketing tool, then turn around and offer no matte surface.
As an instructor I will not advise any of my students to buy a MacBook Pro unless it’s the 17″ matte option … and this is exactly what Apple is banking on IMHO. In fact I would not recommend any of Apple’s cinema displays either, but for different reasons (relatively poor color performance compared to the better models from NEC and LaCie).
For me, the ultra-glossy screen is unacceptable and unusable. I have seen the new models, and the highly reflective screen irritates me, and provokes my migraine headaches.
My mid-2008 MacBook Pro 15″ – a Penryn 2.5 GHz model – is likely to be my last Apple laptop. I can and will defect to Linux in order to get a non-reflective screen if necessary.
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I waited for nearly a year for the next model of MacBook to come out, and then had to scramble to buy an old model so I could get a matte screen. I would be happy to pay extra for matte but I really need the option. Why? Because the need for a matte screen is as fundamental to using a computer as it ever was. Moving the screen is just missing the point.
I was finally convinced of this when I held a meeting in a seminar room with only a few high windows on one wall and florescent lighting with diffusers. Nevertheless every laptop that the group looked at, not everyone in the room could see the screen as there was glare on it for someone. Every time I have looked at someone’s laptop with a gloss screen this issue is there and they shrug it off but agree it exists.
In a darkened room to watch a movie a gloss screen might be superior, but in all practical everyday cases the reflection is just too much.
It is unlikely that I will buy Mac again unless it is matte. I just came back to Mac after 15 years away and to be honest it has some standout benefits, but there are issues across the spectrum that make me wonder if Windows isn’t so bad after all. So the matte screen will be the decider when I come to purchase next time.
Come on Apple this is an attitude thing where you have just dropped the ball. Easy to fix as I see there is a matte option for the MacBook Pro 17″. Please roll that matte option out for the other MacBook Pros at least and iMacs and others if possible.
Glossy screens are great if the only thing you ever want to do with your MacBook Pro is watch movies in the dark. I refused to buy my own MacBook Pro with a glossy screen, then got one through IT at a new job. I have to keep the lights off in my office if I don’t want my display to turn into a mirror.
We need a volume of responses here.
Please post your experiences and the need for anti-glare even if it’s already been covered by other posts.
And yes, this thread will be seen by those at Apple.
Thanks to another poster, Steve Jobs is aware of the problem but we need more posters experiences please.
Thank you.
Click HERE to see polls results indicating that 75% prefer matte. The poll comes from http://www.squidoo.com/matte-vs-glossy-screens
Many people nevertheless dismiss such polls as being skewed. So, let’s say – for the sake of argument – that the above 75% matte result is skewed, for whatever reason, and that the MacPolls.com 44% matte result is also skewed, and the Lenovo 86% matte research was skewed too, and that the 40% matte average across several online polls is likewise skewed — Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that actually only 10-20% of Mac purchasers really favor matte screens. Isn’t 10-20% still a significant number of Apple purchasers?
Other skeptics have tried to dismiss the poll results by asserting that, if that many Mac purchasers really did prefer matte, then Apple’s sales figures would be falling, so the argument goes. That is not true.
Those people – who point to Apple’s upward growth as vindication of the glossy-only policy – are not taking into account that most of the impetus to switch to Apple comes from other factors, namely: the window of opportunity created by Microsoft Vista’s inadequacies, the halo effect of the iPod/iPhone, and from OSX’s perceived advantages over Windows Vista/XP. All these factors combined mean that, even if a substantial number of people detest glossy screens, Apple’s sales figures would still show an upward trend – not because everyone loves glossy screens … but in spite of it.
Read the user comments on this page. Many users said they’ll be forced to keep using their existing matte hardware rather than upgrading now. Therefore, a deleterious effect on sales may only become noticeable until around 3-5 years later when these holdouts are forced to replace hardware, and then have to make the choice of whether to stick with Apple.
Others dismiss the matte-trend in the polls by rationalizing that the type of people who post comments on websites tend to be professional computer users and computer geeks, i.e. by inference, not representative of the total, overall market that Apple is trying to reach. In other words, what they’re arguing is that even if the polls indicate 40-75% like matte, that’s a minority because the majority of Apple users don’t read Mac website or post comments on Mac websites.
I would argue differently. In sales & marketing, the Pareto principle – 80/20 Rule — applies, namely that most sales come from a core of users. Equal sales are not generated equally across the population. The 80/20 Rule says that 80% of your sales come from 20% of your clients. Therefore, I would argue that people who post comments on Mac websites are more representative of this minority that generates the most sales. Why do we read Mac websites? So we can buy the stuff that interests us. Mac website readers would tend to be more representative of this core of high-volume purchasers who get multiple Mac’s not just one, and who upgrade more frequently than the peripheral buyers. Any marketing-savvy person will laugh if you think you can ignore the core minority who are fanatical about your products – because they’re the minority that bring the bulk of your sales. For this reason, the online polls are telling Apple that their core, fanatical minority are crying out loudly for a matte screen option on all Macs.
In other words, Apple’s figures could have been better, if the matte option had been there. Example: if Apple’s profits increased to $6 billion, when it might have increased to $7.2 million – the glossy people argue the increase to $6 billion proves everyone loves glossy – whereas, the matte crowd argue it could have instead been $7.2 billion in higher sales, if not for the people turned away because of all-glossy screens.
Where do I get the hypothetical increase from $6 billion to $7.2 billion potential? At comment the below (June 26, 2009: MacMatte), the polls indicate that close to 20% will not buy Macs with glossy screens – this includes people like myself who outright refuse, and also those who did buy glossy but later regretted it. Therefore, $6 billion x 1.2 = $7.2 billion. (Of course this is just a rough calculation for the sake of argument, and I haven’t factored in what percentage of Apple’s sales are made up of Macs.)
And since when does it require sales figures to slope downwards before a company listens to the needs of its customers? Let’s be reasonable: any company that would require its sales chart to head downwards before it heeds the calls of its customers will not be in business for long. The converse is true: any company that refuses to listen to its customers’ needs, simply because its sales figures are climbing, is …..
I have been an IT consultant for the past 20 years. Two years ago, I switched my personal machines to Apple, primarily because OS X is UNIX. I had been using Linux, but found the constant changes in the kernels caused too many issues with laptop hardware. The Mac OS proved to be more stable. My choice in the screen finish has always been matte. I remember the early 90’s when people were using anti-glare screens in front of their CRT screens – I always thought that was ridiculous that there were not any other choices. My last visit to an Apple store, I commented on the amount of glare from their glossy screens. The sales person indicated that the florescent light in the store is not what the average user would experience. Well, all of my clients’ offices and data centers have florescent lighting. The Apple sales person indicated that that would be a problem. I would be hard pressed to purchase another machine from Apple with a glossy-screen-only option – I would most probably opt for a system that supports a matte screen. I have sent Apple my thoughts using their feedback web page. I hope they rethink this flawed marketing strategy. I’m not a PC – YET!!
Here’s another poll, taken in June 2009
Poll Question: After having used your glassy screen for 2-4 weeks, do you like it?
- Yes I think it is amazing and I totally got used to the reflections / they don’t bother me 53.85%
- I do notice the reflections and they bother me a bit (I WOULD PREFER MATTE), but I’m happy 27.47%
- No, I thought I would at first but the reflections are really bothering me and I REGRET THE PURCHASE 7.14%
- NO MATTE, NO BUY. I won’t let Apple force me to buy something I don’t want. 11.54%
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=731684&highlight=matte
Total voters: 182
MacMatte Blog Editor’s Comment: In other words, if given freedom of choice, 53.85% prefer glossy, and that means 46.16% prefer matte. Also, according to the above, 18.68% would not buy glossy (i.e. 7.14% + 11.54%).
Just my 2 cents:
Remember when Apple omitted Firewire from the unibody MacBook 9 month ago … I bet my “old” MacPro that they will release the 2010 models with optional matte screen for 50 more bucks :p
In 2009, you can already choose a matte screen on your 17″ MacBook Pro … I’m pretty sure Apple will go back on the matte screen option (at least for the 15′ MacBook Pro) in one/two years.
It makes sense to me that a lot of the professionals own an “old” Intel 15 MacBook Pro that really can do the job for the moment. Next year, the upgrade will be significant for all of them (increased core power, SSD drives, USB 3…) and all the “old fashion Mac people” that buy a computer every 5/6 years.
It’s all about marketing strategy to me.
What do you think about it, folks ?
Thank you for standing firm on this matte issue with a web page dedicated to it.
My vote for matte screens has been cast with Apple.
Another point of consideration, alongside the glare issue, is the Uneven Backlight, which affects even March 2009 24″ iMacs. I have a photo and a very detailed description under the photo here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66071596@N00/3588054275/
Be aware it is subtle, but it is there. You won’t see it in the Finder though, but you will if you slide a white window to the very left or right edge of the screen. And unlike what some have reported, this darkness at the edges of glossy screens does NOT go away even after leaving the machine turned on all day (more than 8 hours).
A pattern is emerging, I believe. I was reminded of this in a most curious way by this matte/glossy article:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1296850/apple-glossy-screens-cause-injury
The Inquirer article, at the time, had 19 reader comments, and so I did a quick analysis, and I made this comment on the article, as follows:
“The reader comments in this [Inquirer] article are incredibly interesting because of the percentage spread. I calculated, out of 19 comments, there were 15 relevant comments. Out of these 15 comments, 8 were either neutral or in favor of glossy, while 7 where specifically in favor of matte. That’s 53% glossy / 46% matte. That is roughly exactly the same percentage spread of a recent poll conducted at MacRumors.com … where it shows that, on average, across several online polls, about 46% of people prefer matte …”
In other words, even on a randomly selected online article, the spread of readers’ comments are around 60/40 for glossy/matte.
This correlates with the entire 40-ish% matte trend of all the dozen or so other polls (see comment 13). The largest poll sample was at macpolls.com which had a sample size of 30,970 respondents, which indicated 44% in favor of matte.
That 40-ish% is roughly the average of over a dozen other online polls (see comment 13 above).
Moreover, this 40-ish% still comes through on the most recent poll I’ve seen, which is the June 2009 MacRumors poll (see comment 88 above).
I would say this suggests a clear trend of 40-ish% in favor of matte.
You can well imagine that a statistic – 40-ish% matte-preference, with around half of those willing to buy gloss even if it’s not their first preference – would be sufficient for Apple’s marketing people to claim that their customers love glossy screens.
Just wanted to say I am in total agreement that the Matte screen is by far a much more appealing screen. Just comparing the two in an Apple store, the matte screen shows the image, the glossy screen shows the nice florescent light fixtures overhead. People talk about the glossy screen as having crisper colors, but who cares about crisp color on a laptop – it was meant to be used on location – I’ll check the color on my “calibrated” monitor in my office. I need to see all the elements of the picture on location – not what’s reflecting behind me.
I will add on another down note: for the past couple of years I have been the hero at Christmas time for convincing my Dad to buy Apple stock back when it was $8 a share and have since been telling him to hold it. Apple continues to push away it’s core – the Creative Professional – with cheap consumer crap. Guess what, if Apple wants to compete against cheap consumer crap they will never win against Dell. Last week I told my Dad to sell Apple as I don’t foresee a future for a company that hollows out it’s core. People buy Apple because it was branded as high-end, not the headache that they have to use at work. In my opinion Apple needs to build in America, needs to reclaim the high end computer market and a pro laptop (sized small) designed for location work under a variety of lighting conditions is essential. My 2 cents.
Last night I was with a friend who had begrudgingly bought a 15″ MacBook Pro with glossy screen. She is a photographer, and her older 15″ Powerbook was dying a slow death. She is a long time Mac user and even has an old clamshell iBook which still works (she just replaced the battery (cough). Macintosh and Apple have always represented something more than a computer company. I have always liked Apple, and have used them since the Macintosh SE, and still been a minor skeptic. She however has been devout … but since she purchased this glossy 15″ MacBook Pro she has become disgusted. She felt she had no choice in buying the Mac for the professional work she does. She has several complaints, but I know this thread is about the screen …. and boy does she hate the glossy screen. Last night she tried to show me a movie on Youtube … mind you this is not what she purchased the laptop for. She is a pro, but this was one of those casual moments when friends gather round a screen to laugh at silliness. She tilted the MacBook Pro to me and here is how the dialog went:
Me: All I see is myself (waving at my reflection).
She: (tilting the screen) How bout now?
Me: Now I see my feet.
She: (tilting again, and turning) Now?
Me: Nope, but I’ve already seen the video (on my matte screen 15″ MacBook Pro). Make sure you can see it.
She: All I see in this light is my F$%^ing keyboard. I hate this computer.
And at that point, her Mac became just that – “another computer.”
I just ordered a 17″ matte screen MacBook Pro yesterday. I’ve been debating getting a Mac for months and the biggest negative was always the glossy screen. When they added the matte option to the 17″ MacBook Pro, I was optimistic that Apple would also add this matte option to the 15″ model down the line, because that’s the size that I really wanted. But it never came so I was forced to order the 17″ model to get the good matte screen option.
It’s a real shame that Apple is doing this. They are alienating the strong core of designers and creative people that have kept them alive over the past 10 years. It’s just a dumb move, plain and simple. Even worse than making all the iMacs and MacBooks glossy is that they’re also making the Cinema Displays all-glossy too, so if you bought a MacBook and wanted it hooked up to an external monitor you wouldn’t even have a matte option for that either!
I’ll be ordering a Dell monitor to use with mine. At least Dell, and most other good monitor sellers, continue to make matte screens. Apple will look back at this phase of their life in a few years and wonder how they could have possibly ignored the voices of their users and done something so foolish. But until then we’ll be forced buy the 17″, buy stick on anti-glare films, and buy PCs.
A glossy screen is simply pointless. All it does is make the screen harder to see because of reflection.
Apple would do better to concentrate on improving resolution.
Editor’s comment: the above comment was made by a professional graphic designer who uses Apple Mac computers for his design work.
I have a 3 year old MacBook that’s been around the block a bit often and while I am an Apple fanboy and would love the new 13″ MacBook Pro, I just can’t live with another glossy screen. Please Apple, at least in the Pro line, offer a matte option.
I’m a system lab technician at a local college, where we have an entire room filled with Mac’s and PC’s. There are 15 Dell PC’s and 16 Mac’s of various types. We began buying Apple’s newer iMac computers to replace older ones as well as replacing the aging Dells, in a monthly transition cycle. All the new iMac’s have these new glossy screens.
My supervisor is a dyed in the wool PC user. He says Mac’s are a fad, expensive, lack of choice, and all this and that like a typical PC bias person would be. However he did notice the Mac’s required less attention and were easier to maintain, especially since we install DeepFreeze which reverts any changes a user might make. So the school approved the purchase of more Mac’s to replace the older ones and the Dells.
But a funny thing is happening now. People are using the older Dells and older Mac’s with the anti-glare type screens over the newer glassy type iMac’s. In fact, I’ve watched students leave rather than use an iMac with a glassy or glossy screen. It’s like they are not interested or something.
So we watched them for awhile and noticed they kept looking up and back, at the overhead lights and shuffling in their seats. The glassy screens are so reflective, they are shining the lights right into their eyes.
We can’t do anything about the lights – they are fluorescent and thus can’t be dimmed. Some have suggested we hang pieces of paper from the sides of the lights to block the glare.
Our attempts with anti-glare film have met with limited and ugly success – it seems to want to peel and bubble.
These glassy screens are not very user friendly and functional – they just tend to discourage people from using the Mac computers.
If Apple doesn’t change things and give schools more anti-glare options, we will have to go back to getting Dells with matte screens again as Apple doesn’t offer a mid range expandable tower.
Blog Editor: See a similar comment above (March 11, 2009: Doug Clay) – where another user reported that school children preferred using matte screens instead of glossy.
I’m really torn between getting a new 17″ glossy MacBook Pro or the matte version. The matte-antiglare works so much better than the glossy – but the gloss looks so much better … in a dark room. I wish Apple would offer an antiglare 17″ MBP with the black bezel. Then the choice would be obvious.
Editor’s comment: many people online have said that the absence of the [ugly] black bezel makes the 17″ matte MacBook Pro a thing of beauty.
I desperately need a new computer, but cannot bring myself to purchase a glossy screen. But I do not need or want a 17 inch. I have had 15 inch laptops for over a decade, and the size is perfect for me.
- The reflections tire my eyes, minimizing my productivity and efficiency
- I often sit with bright windows right behind me, so the glare is awful
- When I sit in other places without a window behind me, the reflections from passing people and objects behind me, are very distracting
- The reflections from glossy/glassy screens make them unusable outdoors
Sure the glassy screen looks great and I’m not criticizing making it an option or even the default. But I will not buy a reflective screen from anyone. It is a shame because my ordinary laptop usage is about 3-4 years. I would have bought the new unibody last year when it came out, and probably would have upgraded about 3 years later. That would mean that by the end of 2010, Apple would have had two high-end 15 inch MacBook Pro purchases from me. Instead, they have someone who is stretching their Powerbook G4 into its sixth year of life, waiting for a better option.
If tomorrow, Apple were to make a matte screen option for their 15 inch Macbook Pro, I would be ordering one today. As is, I wait. Please Apple, get on it, you are losing sales from people like myself.
When initially searching for purchasing a laptop back in early 2008, the reason I ended up choosing between the MacBook Pro and similarly equipped in specification PC equivalents, the thing that eventually sold me on the MacBook Pro was the option for a Matte screen which none of the other companies that I was looking at offered on their laptops.
If Apple wants my continued business in the future once I decide to purchase another laptop, it would only be done so with the inclusion of a Matte screen option on future laptops or desktops. The lack of an option for matte screen indicates Apple’s continued move away from aiming to please the customer, to Apple, in a rather dictatorship like manner, deciding for the customer what they should want.
I initially thought all the furore about losing ‘matte’ was over the top – but of course I was happily sitting in front of my old iMac with a matte screen. But as my matte iMac recently decided to go on a downward death spiral, I’ve been forced to look at new Apple computers to replace it with. This hasn’t been an altogether happy experience. The new iMac range and their glossy screens I find very difficult to look at for more than a quick glance. The new 24″ glossy cinema displace is likewise hard for me to keep focused upon. The 30″ matte display is perfect but far too big and far too expensive. My only solution? A Mac Pro and a difficult search for the recently discontinued 20″ and 23″ matte cinema displays. I can’t believe Apple won’t respond to this by updating their displays and reintroducing a stronger matte element. It’s not a question of charity but simply common sense. If you charge a premium you show loyalty to your customers by listening to them.
While the color on the new glossy Apple Mac displays is rich, the reflections are killing me. I use my MacBook Pro in several different environments and the reflections cause massive problems and bother my eyes. I just can’t believe that Apple is not even offering this as even an option for a small cost like they do on the 17″. The eye strain of the new glossy screen is killing me. It’s now become a pain, rather than a pleasure, to use my Mac. I’m forced to consider adding an anti-glare screen that will blur and distort colors just so that I can read and view the screen without reflections imposed on the image causing my eyes to constantly strain.
Apple needs to give us the option of a matte screen for the 15″ and 13″ MacBook Pro. I don’t want to carry around a 17″ MacBook Pro “lunch room tray” just to have a matte screen. Until then, I’m rocking my 2007 15″ matte, Santa Rosa MacBook Pro.
Last month I started planning the purchase of a new MacBook Pro, to replace a long-serving PowerBook G4. I’ve always had Macs since I started using computers in the mid-80s, and I was excited about the unibody design. But I figured that before buying I should see whether the glossy screen would be a problem; so I tried out a co-worker’s new glossy iMac. Eyestrain within ten minutes. Therefore no new unibody MacBook Pro for me. (Fortunately I was able to find a matte-screened early 2008 model, which I can use all day long without pain.)
If Apple believes that they need to have glossy monitors on display in order to lure shoppers who like shiny things, then so be it. But please give an anti-glare option to those of us who don’t want or intend to sacrifice our physical comfort and our productivity.
I’ve have both glossy and matte, and matte wins every time for me. Brighter screens are nice, but there comes a point where it’s as bright as anyone would ever need – and I think that point has been reached already.
The fact that Apple offers a matte / ‘anti-glare’ option on the 17 inch MacBook Pro proves they know some people need or desire it over the glossy screen, so it’s not that much of a compromise to add that option to other Macs. It’s a shame that Apple have, for a long time, assumed that the physically biggest portable machine has to be the one with highest specification with more options – the whole point of a portable computer (over a desktop machine) is that it is portable! This is also why netbooks are doing well, but I’m going off the point …
To Apple, I’d simply say: a matte option, even at extra cost, would satisfy many customers who are on the edge of buying or replacing a Mac – you’re already doing it for 17 inch MacBook Pro customers, so why not everyone else?
Add me to the list of concerned potential upgraders. I have a 15″ MacBook Pro that I would love to swap for a smaller 13″ MacBook Pro for ease of portability, etc. However, the lack of matte screen option holds me back. I have worked with my wife’s MacBook and its glossy screen. Great if you are in dim and reflected light. Terrible if you are outside or have an inconveniently located lightbulb over your shoulder. A pain. And enough to keep me from upgrading.
For Apple it’s about economics.
A matte screen costs them no money. Zero. It does, however, leave money on the table. There is a percentage of potential buyers who will not buy a Mac because of the glassy screens. Not only do the glassy screens serve no functional purpose, they hinder it.
Forget market research that says 80%, 90%, 95% of people don’t mind the glassy screens. Apple as the underdog, with less than 10% market share of the computer market, should be sensitive to the minority view.
Leaving even 5% of the market out is not a trivial amount of money, and Apple, as a consumer-oriented brand, should be extra sensitive to customer desires given its history of being the underdog to Microsoft. At the very least, all Apple’s competitors offer the matte option, so Apple is behind the curve here as well.
It’s enough to make me want to leave Apple.
I have been using a 24″ glassy Aluminium iMac for almost 2 years now. It’s not too bad, but bad enough that I most certainly will not purchase a glassy screen Mac again.
Right now this only leaves me with one Mac Mini solution that is underpowered for my needs, and two solutions that are too expensive. Apart from that, I don’t want a 17″ laptop – I want a 15″ one.
If Windows 7 turns out to be ok even I, a graphic designer/illustrator with great passion for Apples industrial design for the last 10 years, might switch to Microsoft when my iMac and matte MacBook Pro are due to be replaced in a couple of years.
Please give us more matte screen options like the 17″ MacBook Pro. I’d gladly pay for it.
I’d like to add my voice to all those above who advocate choice. I need to have the option to order a matte screen. I’ve used both before. For me, because of where I have to work in various locations, the matte screen is a must. Just changing the angle does not help (that was such a condescending thing for Phil Schiller to say). Apple, give us the choice on our 13″ and 15″ machines please. My wife, who is an architect, also feels the same way – but she doesn’t want to lug around a 17″ computer!
I’m one of the vocal one’s who hate glossy screens. In perfect lighting (well, no lighting) glossy screens are better than matte. However everywhere I want to take and use a laptop, the glossy screens are troublesome. I have an original MacBook 13″ that I rarely use anymore as a portable because of its glossy screen. I have it hooked it to a 24″ matte, non-glossy LCD monitor.
It isn’t just about blocking out the reflections so you can see better. It is about having to physically contort yourself to do so. I also find that after about 5 minutes of using a “glossy” screen, I get bad headaches. I guess that is the reaction of my brain from trying to block out and adjust for the dang reflections!
I was in the Apple store last week, which of course has very bright overhead lights, and could not deal with the reflections just evaluating the new 13″ MacBook Pro. On the one table they had a 13″, a 15″ and a 17″ MacBookPro. The 17″ had the “matte” option, which also gets rid of the glossy/glass black bezel. The matte screen was soooo much easier to read and use than the 13″ or 15″. But unfortunately I don’t want a laptop that big … and I can’t see getting a smaller one that I won’t want to take anywhere anyway!
I had all the intention of purchasing one today, but walked out from the Apple store empty handed.
It is sad that a company the size of Apple is willing to offer NINE different iPod Nano colors, but can’t offer a second matte, anti-glare display option on all their laptop lines.
I’ve owned almost 2 dozen Macs since 1986 including a Powerbook 100, a Powerbook Duo 230, a Powerbook 2400c, a white iBook G3, a iBook G4 and an original MacBook (you can see my tendency towards smaller models). But unless Apple changes their policy and starts offering something other than the glassy and glossy displays, I will not purchase another Mac. Microsoft Windows gives me a headache sometimes, but Apple’s glassy/glossy displays give me a headache EVERY TIME!
Glossy may be fine for consumers – and I don’t wish that glossy option to be taken away for them – but for many people sitting at their Macs for 8+ hours daily for a living, the glossy screens are more than a minor inconvenience at best.
I have 2 Macs – a glossy iMac and a matte 12″ iBook. The glare and reflectivity from my iMac leave me convinced about my future hardware priorities. In future, avoiding needless distractions and sore eyes will weigh heavily in any hardware buying decisions. My next Mac will almost certainly be a Mac Mini with non-Apple matte display, but for my next laptop I am now actively looking at other matte options.
Apple only offer matte in their 17″ MacBook Pro laptop, but both its size and price are overkill for my needs. As I will not buy glossy laptops, a Windows laptop would seem the most likely choice. Sad, but I’ll not pay good money for plainly unsuitable screens for my needs. Thank you.
I love my Mac! I love it! I love OS X!
But … there is no way I will buy a Mac with a glossy screen when mine (matte screen Santa Rosa MacBook Pro) is ready for a replacement. I just hope Microsoft Windows 7 is all that people say it is, because I will be forced to move to it if Apple does not start offering options for their working customers that need matte. I also refuse to buy a 17″ MacBook Pro just for the matte option.
I have been using and enjoying my glossy-screen unibody MacBook Pro for about 8 months now, and it is a beautiful machine to use and behold, glass screen and all.
However, there are times when a matte screen is definitely more favourable, such as when travelling on the train to/from work, and also when large windows abound and surround, not to mention the bright overhead lights, and when the notebook is on your lap, making re-positioning to avoid reflections that little bit more challenging. Therefore, I fully understand and appreciate those who would rather have a matte screen.
I agree with the intent of this website, and support the notion that a matte screen is a reasonable option that Apple should offer its many customers, for a reasonable fee if necessary, as they have done with the 17-inch MacBook Pros.
Hello everyone!
Anti-glare films and screens are not the solution – just a nasty patch on an otherwise wonderful looking machine.
Apple is selling a lot of the glossy screen Macs to computer newbies via emotional and impulsive buying in Apple Stores. These new users are unaware of the problems caused by reflections until later.
Apple is like a big ship. It takes a lot of time before it moves in the right direction. Apple does realize there is a problem with glossy screens, as it offers a limited choice of the anti-glare option on the 17″ MacBook Pro. Apple might be testing how strong the reaction will be and the sales to decide whether to issue more matte screen models or not.
I am a gigging musician. The glossy display causes severe problems on stage with spotlights reflecting in the display, so I can hardly see my Logic windows. Realigning lights is often not possible because of fixed positioning of these lights on the smaller stages. Realigning my MacBook or myself is often not possible because of the rest of the band also wanting their “usual” spot the the stage.
My 12″ Powerbook had a matte screen – my new 13″ MacBook Pro has a glossy screen. Despite the much better contrast in the glossy MacBook Pro display, I prefer my matte Powerbook display for on-stage work. Apple, please give me a chance of configuring a non-glare, matte display on any MacBook I like. I will not mind paying for it.
To add to my previous post:
I understand that the new glass screens strengthen the structural integrity of the MBP, and I actually think that is great. But I can’t use glossy. My preference would be for a MacBook Pro with the same type of glass covered screen, but for it to be antiglare glass. This would be stronger and more attractive than the traditional aluminum silver bezel. Unfortunately that’s probably not possible. But I would take a silver bezel with matte screen over the glossy glass any day.
I will not be buying another Mac if there is no matte option.
I have been a Mac user since 1984. I handle IT at a Mac-based post production facility. I too see no valid reason to not offer matte screens. I am delaying purchase of a 15″ MacBook Pro until I can get a matte screen. I’m 52 years old and have enough vision problems without the aggravation of glare and reflections coming off my computer screen.
I work with several Macs and dito screens. One of them is the glossy MacBook Pro with a matte Cinema Display attached. We also have a matte iMac at home. The kids have white MacBook (gloss). Having experience with all of this, my preference is matte. And definitely not double gloss caused by an extra sheet of glass. I can live with it but I will put off replacing the iMac at home for as long as I can, hoping for Apple to bring back the matte option for the iMac. If I have to replace my MacBook Pro and matte was an option, I’d go for the matte option.
I have an almost 3 year old MacBook Pro 15″ with matte screen, and a 23″ Cinema Display with matte, and my wife has an iMac 20″ glossy. Having used both matte and glossy, I will not buy another machine (of any type) with a glossy screen. The reflections from the glossy screen are horrible, unless you have a really darkened room with no windows, and even then you still get reflections just from the light coming from the screen itself. I cannot understand why Apple pushes the glossy screens.
I understand that most consumers are not much aware of the difference between glossy and matte. Perhaps they buy glossy screens because they are simply blown away by the attractiveness of the glossy screens – good for them. But then again, are we really sure?
And are we sure that, despite Apple’s currently exploding sales, customers would not make the very same mistake again? In other words, you may buy a fancy product but later you may have to struggle with some unexpected issues (i.e. reflections from the glossy screen). In a second purchase, you would be more careful, selective and, finally, more satisfied with your procurement.
Apple, let us have a matte option – go even for the $50 matte upgrade – but let us have that matte option.
The more complaints I see in the press about the glossy screens, the better I feel, and the more hopeful I am that Apple will do the right thing and offer a matte option on ALL its products.
I will never buy a Mac with a glossy glass screen — ever. After 19 years as a professional Mac user, for the first time I am convinced that Apple’s direction on this option is flat out wrong.
http://www.applemacbook.com/mods/do-you-hate-the-glossy-screen
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=161980
http://www.tuaw.com/2009/06/14/mac-laptop-glossy-screens-hazardous-to-your-posture/
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=876409
http://cultofmac.com/24-cinema-displays-get-a-notable-no-confidence-vote/8102
http://www.macosxhints.com/polls/index.php?qid=2008glossy&aid=-1
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Also it looks like Dell lovers are singing the same songs! My eyes hurt! GIVE US CHOICE!!
http://www.ideastorm.com/ideaView?id=087700000000AtkAAE
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Also medical information, screen glare is a health hazard!!
http://office-ergo.com/12things1.htm
http://www.visionworksusa.com/computereyestrain.htm
http://www.optometrists.bc.ca/content2/Computer_Vision_Syndrome/82
Here is another article link worth reading about the poor qualities of the glass-covered screens in real world photography application. This article was sent to me in my Apple Hot News RSS feed!
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10041-10146&sr=hotnews
I agree! The matte option has to be offered on all Macs.
The horrific glare on the glossy screens is particularly problematic on the laptops, but I’m also stunned, dismayed and disappointed that Apple’s latest desktop screens, including the iMacs and even the new 24″ Cinema Display lack the matte option.
This is madness! I can’t comprehend why Apple is being so stubborn about this — sure, a lot of consumers are attracted to the shiny screens, but most photographers and graphic professionals prefer the excellent matte screens. Why alienate this core customer group?
It’s not just photographers and graphic professionals that are aggravated by glossy screens. Lots of people – such as writers like myself, and anyone who stares at the screen for many hours per day – under less than favorable light conditions – would appreciate the matte option.
When staring at a white, word processor page sometimes for 16 hours per day, I find no advantage in the pop, deep colors that a glossy screen offers. For these simple, word processor tasks, the glossy screen merely makes life difficult. Any perceived extra sharpness of the glossy screen is made moot by the distraction of the glossy reflections.
Sure, there are those who love the glossy screen for word processing for extended hours – But that does not negate the fact that there are countless others who are aggravated by glossy screens, perhaps because of their personal eye conditions, or because of their eyes’ inability to cope with unfavorable, reflective lighting conditions that might not seem to bother other people.
The evidence is undeniable: that there is a certain percentage of the population whose eyes can cope with glossy reflections, and the other percentage of the population (around 20-40%) that cannot cope, to varying degrees, from those who can cope but are irritated, to those who experience severe physical debilitation.
A point I’ve heard elsewhere is that, back when all Apple Macs had matte screens, you did not hear a widespread outcry asking for glossy screens. There was no groundswell of people saying if Apple did not bring in glossy screens, then they were going to switch to Microsoft Windows. That’s because, although glossy screens are nice, they’re not nice enough to make people switch back to Microsoft just to get glossy screens. Matte is different: a certain section of the population need matte screens in order to preserve the health of their eyes, even if it means being forced to give up the glorious benefits of OSX. For some people, the choice is between OSX or their eye health.
Apple should take not of the number of comments above where people, like myself, have either said they will not buy Macs, or will even switch back to a Microsoft Windows computer, if Apple does not offer the matte option by the time they need to upgrade their computers.
I also suspect that the deleterious effect of glossy screens is something that may not always show up immediately. For instance, people do not become deaf overnight from listening to iPods at full blast volume – it takes a few decades for deafness to show up. Similarly, those people who claim they do not experience eye strain from glossy screens might realize there has been a cumulative effect after, say, four decades of using glossy screens for their entire lifespan. I remember, when I was in my twenties, walking into my first office job and seeing my boss with his back curved like a banana from sitting at a desk with poor posture for decades. My first boss’s back didn’t get like that overnight. Likewise, even those people who do not instantly get eyestrain from glossy screens may find that something will happen over a period of decades.
I agree with Doug Clay’s comment above (March 7, 2009) that Apple is doing a disservice to their loyal customers by not offering a matte display.
I am a professional graphic designer and MUCH prefer the matte screens. The color fidelity seems better, to me, on the matte monitors when creating something for print.
I’m also one that agrees that matte is easier on my eyes!!
I actually went to the online apple store recently to configure a new 15″ MBP, but when I saw that the matte screen was no longer an option, I trashed my order.
I WON”T be purchasing any time soon. That is, unless Apple wakes up and restores the Matte option.
Listen up, Apple!
Over a year ago, my local Mac shop sold off its last remaining inventory of 24″ white iMacs (with warranty, new in box). I jumped at the chance and bought one, since I can’t stand glossy screens. I will not buy a new machine that only has a glossy option.
I will use this white, matte-screen iMac for a long time. When the time does come to replace it, I hope Apple has seen the error of its ways. Otherwise, it will be a cheap Mac Mini (if they’re still around) or – money permitting – a Mac Pro with a Dell matte screen. If I can’t afford that, I’ll reluctantly move to a Microsoft Windows environment.
My brother bought a newer glossy-screen iMac but complains about the glare and has since even reorganised his office so that the computer screen points to a wall, not the window.
This is nuts. My brother is a Mac switcher but it sure soured his experience.
I have put off replacing my 20″ white plastic iMac with matte screen for years. The glossy screens and reflections of the new Aluminum, black-bezel iMacs just don’t work for my eyes and glasses. I just wait and hope for a policy change by Apple.
What I don’t understand is the reasoning behind Apple’s one-glossy-screen-type-fits-all policy. Apple is loaded with very capable people. How can such a policy continue – unless some of Apple customers do not hold fast to their matte screen preference at purchase time. My point being, how many of Apple’s customers proceed to purchase a glossy screen even though it is absolutely not their preference? If so, those sort of forced-purchases minimize Apple’s argument that a two screen solution (glossy and matte) is not needed.
I also wonder what is happening in the typical business environments of glass walled buildings and 2×4 lay-in acoustic ceilings with fluorescent lighting. In the old days of CRT screens, hoods for reducing glare were a big seller. The flat matte screens corrected that problem. It seems to me that if Apple wants to become a major player in the business and corporate market, something has to be done about the reflections from overhead lighting and side lighting from exterior glass walls/windows. I don’t know, but would guess that Apple’s own offices are built to overcome these typical office conditions.
I’ve also been putting off the purchase of a new iMac (I’m on the last G5 model) because of this lack of matte screen. I can’t even think of doing photo work on a glossy screen.
If Apple can offer the matte, anti-glare screen on the 17″ MacBook Pro, it can also be done for the iMac.
July 2009 is a critical period in this lack-of-matte hiatus period.
Why? Because it’s coming to around 2 years since Apple totally removed the matte screen from Macs (albeit with a partial return of an anti-glare option in the 17″ MacBook Pro).
This means that a large majority of the 19% of Mac users – who refuse to buy glossy Macs, or who bought glossy and regret it — are coming up to the period when they would ordinarily upgrade to new Macs. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=731684&highlight=matte)
What do these people do? The above comments show that many people refuse to buy a new Mac with glossy screen.
A perfect storm is brewing because, around about this time, Microsoft will be bringing out Windows 7, and by all accounts, it is closing the gap between OSX. At the very least, it looks like not being a dog, as Vista was. Remember, for Microsoft to succeed, Windows 7 does not have to be as good as Snow Leopard. All Microsoft has to do is make Windows 7 adequate for most users’ needs – which Vista wasn’t (even my mum heard the advice not to buy Vista!)
Therefore, if Apple remains Steve-Jobs-like obstinate in insisting that it is the glossy way or the highway, then there could be temptations for matte-Apple users to be FORCED to move back to Microsoft, if Windows 7 lives up to its hype.
When I moved from Windows to Mac, I vowed I would never again be beholden to one supplier, particularly Microsoft’s tactics of locking people in to Outlook by making it extraordinarily difficult to export email data out of .pst files. Consequently, all my email data now is in IMAP format, and my calendar and address book information is in the Cloud. I can now switch between operating systems at will.
Look. I love OSX. But, as I’ve said, I value my eyesight more than my love of Apple Macs.
I don’t care what coating the Mac’s glossy screen has … after a few years the glossy screen must pick up some kind of scratches, or even dust and fingerprints. On a matte screen I can’t tell where my keyboard rubs are or dust is unless I go to a full screen single color, whereas the glossy screen shows defects like no tomorrow. I’ve never heard anyone complain about the image quality of a matte screen … in fact, when I got my first iBook in 1999, its matte screen was the best looking screen on campus. I would much prefer to buy a computer with a matte screen.
I’m an artist working in the Animation and Games industries; I’ve been using Microsoft PC my entire life as it has had the best balance between cost and performance. The ability to be mobile has put me on the hunt for a laptop and the new MacBooks seem to fit the bill quite nicely … save for that awful glossy screen. I’m perfectly willing to jump ship to Apple; but no matte screen is a dealbreaker.
I don’t mind the glossy screen all that much …. except when working outdoors. In retrospect, I would have chosen the glossy screen anyway, but Apple should give the matte option to all their laptops. Let the consumer have as many choices as possible.
Got to say that I am fully behind this push for Apple to bring back a matte screen option. I have a number of Microsoft Windows PC’s which I continue to work with all because they have matte screens. I tried a MacBook Pro with the glossy screen and took it back. If Apple brought out the matte screen option, I would not hesitate replacing what I have with Apple products – even having to pay a small extra premium. After all, if they can offer a matte, anti-glare screen for the 17 inch MacBook Pro, why not give me, the consumer, the choice for the 13 and 15 inch.
This lack of a matte screen is a real deal breaker for me – so many times I enter into the Apple store with the intention of buying and then after a quick play with whatever laptop is free I am quickly reminded why I will not buy a reflective screen.
So it continues to be a waiting game …. patience is a virtue.
The option of a glossy screen was a reasonable addition to Apple’s laptop line-up and probably an attempt to grab bystander attention in stores when lined up alongside glossy laptop Windows PCs from other vendors.
Sadly the in-store experience of looking at bright photos on a glossy screen is not the same as watching something darker, especially when out and about where you have no control over the lighting in the room (and why should you have to change your room lighting for your laptop anyway?!).
As a photographer I find working on shadow areas in images a complete no-go area on the glossy iMac.
My MacBook Pro (a 2007 matte model) is connected to a Samsung 24″ matte screen as Apple have also extended their glossy obsession to their Cinema Displays.
I would like to update my MacBook Pro to the latest model but will not do so until they offer a matte option.
A matte option used to be available and has now been made available once more on the current 17″ MacBook Pro, a clear sign that they know that their professional user base will not accept the reflection plagued glossy screen.
As they can offer it in the form of a different bezel on the 17″ model, Apple can clearly offer it on the others as well if they so choose, including the iMac. What they were thinking even making a glossy Cinema Display is beyond me as these are generally only used by Pro’s.
I’m quite happy with glossy screens myself, but do think that a matte anti-glare option should be available for those people who want it, especially those who work in bright light environments (such as outside on a sunny day) where glare is a big worry.
Have been holding off getting my new MacBook Pro since the announcement of the unibody’s due to their glossy screens. I will not buy a 15 inch MacBook Pro until the screen is offered in matte. Otherwise I would have bought two already. One for me and the wife. C’mon Apple!
No more Apple displays or Macs with glossy screens for our University. Sorry, Apple, but out eyes and our productivity is first! That simple.
I have had a chance to use both matte and glossy screens, and would still prefer a matte screen.
There is a type of glass called “Museum Glass”. It’s a trademarked name but it represents a class of glass that is non-reflective. It’s used for art so people can see the art without the reflections.
This is the solution to all our problems – Apple gets the higher contrast and color screens that sell so well, as well as eliminating the bad part – the annoying reflections and glare of the current glossy screens.
This type of Museum Glass costs more, but in bulk it shouldn’t be too much.
It’s because Apple is using cheap glass that’s the problem.
It still baffles me that Apple uses glass on its screens. It’s not like it improves picture quality to have a sheet of glass between you and the screen. Sure it makes it a little easier to clean and no one can poke the screen but it adds so much extra glare on top of a glossy screen, not to mention it adds weight and is possible to crack when dropped which leads to expensive repairs.
I like to work across from a window as it provides a lot of great natural light which keeps me energized and I can look out the window. Now with my glossy screen I have to stare directly at my face all the time. It’s a freaking mirror and it drives me nuts. Plus when I type it shakes the screen a little, not a big deal except for the fact that the reflections on the screen move loads (because of the throw distance) and it is really distracting.
There seems to be no ideal lighting condition to work with these glossy screens. Even in the dark I can see myself as the glossy screen lights up my face!
Heck I would be happy if Apple at least removed the glass and just had a glossy screen – but I would be most happy with either a semi-gloss or matte screen.
There’s no question that a matte screen is preferable for a laptop used in a generally uncontrollable lighting environment.
Apple has become a fashion company. Utility and user friendliness are secondary to bling. I am so unhappy with my new and very expensive MacBook “Pro” with the glare screen, that I have ordered a new SONY, and plan to sell the glossy screen Mac. The glossy screen irritates me so much that I have been telling everyone, and we have decided to not permit further purchases of Apple products at our company.
I purchased a laptop computer in order to use it in numerous locations. Rarely do I have the option to control the lighting. I have not found the glossy screens to be usable except in a nearly-completely dark room. With the desktop machines, I have the option of buying non-glossy monitors from other vendors, but also, a desktop machine is easier to use in a controlled environment, where glare can be less of an issue.
I hope Apple resolves this before I need to purchase another laptop, since I will NOT be purchasing any computer that has a glossy screen.
Honestly, I want to see what’s on my screen – not the reflection of my own face, or my shirt, or the people behind me.
With glossy screens, if there’s light in the room, there is glare. In other words, there is always glare (because the computer screen generates light). You cannot simply tip the monitor up or down to avoid it.
If I wanted to see myself, I’d find a mirror, not a computer monitor.
Get real, Apple.
The problem is glare on glossy/glass computer screens causing eyestrain.
Computer makers are locked in a situation that, although glossy screens are bad, their competitors’ computers look so much better with glossy displays than without them. They are not going back to anti-glare options – unless by government decree or massive lawsuits across the entire industry – a very expensive proposition.
So, just like the dysfunctional but fancy looking “Mighty Mouse” (which is quickly replaced with something better like a LogicTech mouse), so again the responsibility of functionality in regards to use of the computer has fallen upon the user in the name of increased sales.
Jonathan Ives has reportedly stated that Apple doesn’t have design focus groups. The reason for this is it injects too many customer requests which interfere with the design. What sets Apple apart from other device makers is its hardware design. It’s in extreme competition from other computer makers who try to beat it on that level, this includes HP (Compaq), which introduced the glossy displays first to attack the personal computer market – Apple’s chief market.
We know Apple creates a high lust factor for their devices – the design of the hardware, combined with a flashy OS and software, is their primary selling angle. Apple bought the iTunes Visualizer, they also bought Coverflow, from third party developers and applied it to OS X. (Even OS X has a cool sounding name “X”)
So what does the anti-glare screen loving crowd want? We want more anti-glare options, which has fallen out of the lust factor because of their dull looking screen. Well, unless people by large start getting sick of everything looking so shiny and lust over matte looking computers again, I doubt Apple or anyone is going to change things.
In all the Apple Stores there are cameras, the customers are video taped and the actions of the people in the store are analyzed and studied much like rats in a maze in some psychological experiment. This is Apple’s marketing secret, which only a few people like myself know about. It’s done under the guise of security naturally, that’s local, but all the video feeds are also sent to a central facility based in Texas for the marketing department to view.
Apple runs it’s stores just like any Las Vegas casino – they watch their customers to the point they can predict your behavior before you do. They know pretty much how you’re going to react based upon certain stimuli, they know the shopping experience is emotional and impulsive, that’s why the lust factor for Apple products and their prices, are so high. People naturally equate a higher price as a better product. Why else can Apple charge $30 for a USB charger that one can get nearly anywhere for $10?
So Apple isn’t going to change their lust factor, unless the public in general, recorded by the video cameras, change their habits and quit swooning over the glassy displays, so a burnout will have to occur and anti-glare becomes the “in fashion” again. This could take years, and despite a small yet vocal crowd, myself included, will likely unable to change things in the short term.
Now for a solution. Radtech and other companies have very nice anti-glare films that will make a glossy display anti-glare again. (I don’t receive any compensation from anyone) It’s easy to apply and reapply in case you need to clean it, in a few minutes.
It would be best if Apple offered to apply the anti-glare film to their computers – it could be asked as an add-on feature and done in the store at the time of purchase.
So for a additional $25 or so, Apple could apply the film. This way all their computers could be anti-glare, without Apple having to make two versions of each computer. If more and more people request this in Apple stores that would show up in the marketing research. If Apple receives more requests for the anti-glare films, more than the glossy alone, they may decide to switch completely over to matte screens, seeing how the trend has shifted away from glossy.
I think we all want the glare to go away. People posting here believe the glare is not worth the benefits of glassy screens better color and contrast. I believe the only reason the 17″ MacBook Pro has a Build to Order anti-glare option is because Apple has huge backlog of these screens because the 17″ is just a too darn big portable computer for most – people usually get the 15″ or smaller.
Now someone mentioned a better grade of reduced reflection glass – this also could be in the works. I don’t know if Apple will pay those prices, but they could set themselves to a higher standard that the rest of the glossy screen computer providers by reducing the glare.
I would advise everyone who wants to eliminate the glare to bug the $%&!! out of Apple about it. Mention the glare, the glare, the glare!
This way Apple will investigate options, they might even come up with a new technology or buy the rights to one. Keep the glassy screens, but eliminate the glare.
Glare is the problem, not the glassy screens. Fighting to get matte back is a lost cause- Apple got rid of matte screens because of their need to create a lust factor.
Instead, complain about the glare!
I want to address a very common jibe made against the matte supporters camp.
The jibe goes something like this: In spite of the online polls showing 40%+ of Mac users preferring matte, the argument is that these polls must obviously be skewed, and thus not truly representative of the real Mac user population. The inference is that actually very few Mac users want matte. Why this dismissal of the online poll results? Because – it is reasoned – Apple has access to the perfect poll data, namely their own sales figures. The assumption is that Apple’s own sales figures indicated that matte sales were so low that Apple could afford, sales-wise, to stop offering the matte screen for Macs.
This jibe is an assumption. Remember, Apple never said that. The glossy people just assume that.
I’ll explain why the jibe is based on a false assumption.
If we were talking about any other computer manufacturer, the assumption would be plausible and logical. But because we’re talking here about Apple, the assumption fails to take one thing into account – Apple’s my-way-the-only-way track record. Numerous times in the past, Apple will just decide to do something that it sees as right – regardless of what everyone thinks. This my-way-the-only-way attitude is baked into the DNA of a company that Steve Jobs built, and has Steve still holding the steering wheel. Irrespective of whether Apple is a public listed company, theoretically answerable to shareholders, Apple still proceeds on the basis that Apple knows what’s best for its customers, and the customers just follow.
It is completely within Apple’s persona just to go against what its customers want – if Apple believes that the future is different. The prime examples are the removal of floppy disk drives from the iMac, and the (temporary) removal of the Firewire port from MacBooks.
Therefore, the pro-glossy camp’s assumption – i.e. that Apple’s sales figures indicated low demand for matte – cannot be swallowed whole, unless those glossy-supporters can also prove that this is not another one of a string of many examples of Apple’s my-way-the-only-way tendency.
Remember, Apple’s DNA as a pioneer in the computing industry means it has a long-term track record of being confident/cocky enough to go against its customers, even before the rest of the computing community realised it was the right way. Most times, Apple is right. Let’s admit that. Actually, let’s celebrate that. This attitude is what makes Apple great. It gives it the flair and inventiveness to bring us never-before-seen design. We love it.
Except when Apple make a mistake.
SOMETIMES APPLE IS WRONG, e.g. Firewire, Mighty Mouse.
(Controversially, e.g. non-user-replaceable batteries in iPods, iPhone, and MacBook Pro notebook computers.)
Therefore, when pro-glossy proponents assume (without evidence) that Apple removed the matte screen because their internal sales data showed few people want matte screens – surely, if that were true, then at least some of the polls would reflect that? But none of them do. The fact is, all the more than sixteen online polls indicate a large number, around 40% or more, want matte screens. Instead, the poll data suggests that this is actually a case where Apple is acting according to its track record – just being Steve-Jobs-like – and doing something it sees fit, rather than listening to its customers’ needs.
Apple, this is not like the Firewire, floppy drive, non-replaceable battery issues – where people eventually just get used to it, and, with the passing of time, people stop protesting. This matte issue is different, because it affects people’s eyesight. There will always be a percentage of the population – the polls indicate around 20% to 40% – whose eyes are affected by screen glare, often to the point of eyestrain and even migrane/migraine headaches. Those people (including Steve Jobs, Phil Schiller, Tim Cook and Jonathan Ive), who say they love glossy screens, are simply part of the 60% of the population whose eyes are unaffected by the reflections and glare from glossy screens.
The need for matte screens is not a fad or a technological come-and-go trend.
That is why the matte screen issue will not die away.
I don’t even have to read all the replies. I WANT THE MATTE SCREEN NOW!!
I had to return the 24″ Apple Cinema Display LED because of the strain it put on my body. I bought an 8 core 2.66 GHz Mac Pro and the display. After ten days of use I couldn’t take the glossy display any more. I sit in a SteelCase leap ergonomic chair which is a great chair. The glossy LCD made this chair useless. After days of squinting, moving, and straining because of the glare it was time to go back.
I actually tried moving it in different areas. It didn’t matter where it was at, I still got enough glare that it bothered my eyes.
For being a professional monitor, Apple missed this one big time.
As far as the laptops, Apple needs to at the very least add a matte option to the MacBook Pros. They can leave the MacBook alone because they are considered “consumer”, but the MacBook Pro is for the pros as it states. Many don’t work inside and work around a lot of elements. The glossy screens have become a joke. I think a lot of other companies are getting complaints as well. It’s time to at the very least bring the option back to pick one or the other.
Totally agree with the above. Won’t buy a laptop without a matte screen. The 17 inch MacBook Pro is way to big and heavy for me.
I work as an IT manager in the graphic arts field. I could never understand why Apple chose to make laptops with glossy screens since laptops are rarely used in controlled, consistent lighting environments. While the new laptops are nice, I will NEVER buy one with a glossy screen. In fact, I have disuaded 4 friends from buying the new Apple laptops, instead helping them find and purchase older Mac laptops with matte screens.
I don’t buy the marketing BS that says photos look “better” or “richer” on glossy screens. I have over 10,000 hours of Photoshop retouching experience and I can tell you that a calibrated, matte Cinema Display looks better than a glossy screen. And I won’t even get into how hard it is to read fine type on a glossy screen while in a cafe.
Strong preference for matte screens, based on personal MacBook Pro with matte screen, and an office iMac with glossy screen.
Matte screen option on new machines, please!
Go matte! I don’t mind glossy, but my wife can’t stand the glare and we are postponing buying her a new MacBook Pro 15″ until there is an anti-glare option.
APPLE, you will be about $2,000 healthier if you adopt an anti-glare option on the 13″ and 15″ models.
Yes, please bring back matte screens on the 15″ MacBook Pro. You can buy overlays to reduce glare, but nothing is as good as an actual matte screen to start with. I’ve been holding out on buying a new notebook until they bring back this option!
Apple, PLEASE bring back matte displays. The glossy ones are great…unless you work in a well lit office. Then they suck at times.
I too have not purchased a new Apple Cinema Display solely because of the glossy display.
Bring back the matte!
When the new unibody MacBook Pro was released last October, I watched the keynote – ready to buy my first laptop, which I had put off for months waiting for the news from Apple. As a graphic designer, I was appalled at the notion of trying to design with glossy reflection blobs all over my screen. I’d tried the glossy screen out at the Apple store. How can I be visually accurate with so much crap all over the screen?
When I heard the new model was glossy screens only, I scrambled to buy the previous model with the matte screen. Apple needs to work WITH the design profession that helped build their business in the first place, not against us.
I have stopped buying all Apple products until they have the matte screen as an option.
matte on the 15 inch please.
Apple, the only reason holding me back from buying your Cinema Display is the fact that it is glossy. It is absurd that the only option you have is a 30-inch and what is even more absurd is the price especially when you are on a student budget. Everyone who has posted here and many others that have not would be happy to see the return of a matte option. Thank you.
I have been a loyal Mac user since the mid 90’s, and the proud owner of every iMac model offered, up until the current one. I had purchased one of the 24″ aluminum ones about a year ago, but quickly returned it in favor of a refurbished 24″ white one, the last model that offered a matte screen. I assure you, I will not be purchasing another iMac in the future if I can’t get it with the matte display. I love my Mac’s, but cannot work on those glossy diplays.
Bring back the matt. Please!!!!
I really dislike glossy screens. I wanted a new 24″ iMac but couldn’t stand the way the display reflected all light in my room. I got a used matte display iMac on craigslist instead.
This is truly the one thing that has been holding me back from purchasing a new machine. I go in the stores and look at my reflection and I can’t read the text… jeez even in the stores you can’t set up proper lighting to not make it look terrible? I ask the people who work there what you’re supposed to do about it, and they just say “yeah it is pretty bad, sorry.” My laptop is used as a laptop, it’s going to move. I can’t always put it away from light. These glossy screens are simply unusable for me. Please give matte as an options.
As a professional who relies solely on correct color and apple products, there is no other option than having a matte display. Period.
We should not be paying more for matte screens. They should be optional at the purchase with no further costs for the buyer. Paying $50 more is silly!
cheers
I bought the previous generation matte-screen MacBook Pro when the new glossy generation came out, because I wanted a new notebook, but do not want a glossy screen. I’m likely to go back to an Ubuntu notebook, if I don’t have the option of a matte screen.
The only thing stopping me from buying a new 15″ MacBook Pro is the glossy screen. I have tried them and really can’t cope with glare, especially with my preferred dark terminal windows. The rest of the machine is great.
Until a matte version is released I’ll have to stick with the old matte-screen PowerBook I have borrowed from work (my own PowerBook is sadly no longer with us).
No iMac for me until I can buy a matte display!
Bring back matte!!!
Please – bring back matte screens. I would even pay more for such option (but not $200).
I will not get another Mac notebook without a matte screen. In the next 2 years I foresee purchasing another notebook and will likely go for a Lenovo if the MacBook Pro is still glossy only. And oh, I will not pay over $50 for a matte option. Apple should not even charge extra since it was not extra when I bought my Powerbook G4.
I bought a 24″ iMac and had to return it because it was SO bright and glossy. My eyes were literally dying, I could hardly bear to have them open. I even tried downloading a special program which dimmed the glossy screen beyond the built-in dimming level, but it was not enough. Now I don’t know what to do because I really need a new computer. I don’t know if I should try a 20″ or what.
The only thing stopping me from buying a new 15″ MacBook Pro is the glossy screen. Please provide matte as an option.
My story goes like this. I had a 15″ matte MacBook Pro I got in summer 2008. This was later replaced by Apple with a Unibody model which, of course, had a glossy screen. At first I thought the glossy screen was great – which is partially true: the glossy panel itself has great colors and wide viewing angles, but the glass in front of it makes the screen not just a fingerprint magnet but a mirror.
Couldn’t stand this so this summer I sold the glossy-screen computer and got myself a used, matte-screened Early 2008 model, which I had before and haven’t regretted my decision a second. If matte is not coming back, I have to hope this thing will last as long as needed, since I won’t switch to one of those MirrorBooks.
Bring back the MATTE Apple!!!
We will be ordering/updating hardware for our in-house graphics group: 8 high-end workstations, 4 iMacs and 2 Xserves. Please dear Apple give us the BTO options we need. These Macs will have to last us about 5 years. Please offer no-glare!! We work 10 hours a day and need this choice.
Lola
I will not buy any Mac with a glossy screen. I already told Apple that through their feedback page which is, I guess, a better option than leaving a reply on this website
Blog editor’s comment:
Actually, I think giving feedback directly to Apple has a different effect compared to placing a comment on this website. Remember, when you send a feedback email to Apple, it is potentially lost among thousands of emails on DIFFERENT TOPICS. There is no impact. Whereas, a website like the MacMatte site is specifically designed to compile and accumulate the pro-matte comments in order to make a visual impact. When submitting single comments to Apple, there is no unified voice. So, in my opinion, please do both: submit individual comments to Apple – but please also post a comment here on this website.
Moreover, if you submit private feedback to Apple, the emails are hidden from the public. Thus, Phil Schiller can still make public statements like “All our customers love glossy screens” – but a website like this shows the other side.
Why do only one, when you can do both?
My husband (photographer and web designer) recently purchased a newer used Mac specifically because he wanted to avoid the glossy screen and wanted the 15″. I didn’t understand the big deal until a recent trip to the Apple store. Now, I get it. I will not buy a glossy screen Mac. The glare is horrible.
I need to buy a laptop for school in the next month or two and will either buy a used Mac or (gasp) a Microsoft Windows PC. Too bad, the free iTouch deal Apple has for students right now is enticing, but the glossy screen is a dealbreaker.
all for matte
Please bring back the matte option. I will not buy a display that has a glossy screen on it when it comes to my professional work.
Bring back the matte option on the 15 inch MacBook Pro. I really miss it.
The glossy screen is a big deal breaker for me as a designer. I need a screen to display color accurately and not over-saturated, and I can’t stand the glare from glossy screens. It doesn’t matter which way you turn them, you still get reflections. I can’t use a computer like that for production work and won’t buy another Mac until Apple offers the matte option again. Luckily, my current computer is a matte-screen MacBook Pro from early 2008 – the last model with a matte screen! I’d hate to switch to a Microsoft Windows PC when I need to replace this one, but if matte isn’t an option, Apple will probably lose me as a customer.
I bought a refurbished 15″ matte-screen MacBook Pro rather than the new unibody with glossy display. Apple should offer the option of glossy or matte displays on their laptops. I hope it will be an option by the time I’m ready for my next upgrade.
I won’t buy one if it is not an option.
Matte screen option FTW
I am amazed I am even asking Apple for matte screens. Apple, are you guys losing touch with your pro users? We made you! How about some loyalty even if we have to pay extra for the matte screen. A very Microsoft Windows way of operating in my opinion – “damn the customers, take it or leave it” is a bad idea for any company, but for Apple to operate that way is shocking!
I have the 17 inch unibody MacBook Pro with the anti glare, matte option.
I am very happy to not have a free mirror included with my notebook!
I would enjoy using a smaller notebook for when I travel, but it’s just not option since the 17″ MacBook Pro is the only Apple notebook with anti-glare.
A portable notebook that can’t be used outside seems pointless to me.
Every notebook and iMac should have the matte option.
The glare from Apple Mac glossy screens is straining and damaging the eyes of millions.
I simply can not purchase any computing device with a glossy screen.
As Apple moves towards becoming a consumer electronics company, it has left the needs of professionals behind.
While I find this quite sad, I have to move on and am currently exploring other computing alternatives because of the lack of matte screens on the current Apple Macs.
It is unfortunate that Apple does not consider the professional market large enough to be worth accommodating.
David.
Never would I buy a glossy screen Mac. I visited our local CompUSA shortly before the company closed down and it was right at the transition of the white, matte-screen iMacs to the Silver and Black glossy-screen iMacs. I emailed to my hotmail account some graphics and photos so as to compare the white iMac’s matte screen and the new Silver and Black iMac glossy screen.
I downloaded the attachments I emailed and viewed on both machines. After dodging the overhead lighting reflection on the glossy screen of the Silver and Black iMac, I noticed that the “color” of the face of the picture I sent seemed to drain away as if all their life’s blood was draining out of them. On the white iMac matte screen, there was virtually nil reflection of the overhead lighting and the person’s image relatively held its color no matter which way my viewpoint was nor which way I had adjusted the monitor angle.
That sold me to the white matte-screen iMac 20″. Then when I heard Apple was dumping matte screen altogether, I hunted down a 24″ white iMac matte screen. I now use the 24″ in my business related work and have the 20″ matte-screen iMac as a back-up.
Hearing the possibility that Apple may bring back the matte option does my body good. However, in the rumor they only talked about MacBook Pros. Nothing about iMacs. I guess I am still in the same boat. I love my matte screen, white iMac and it’s design. The silver and black are nice but not with the glossy screen. Apple will never get my money on a purchase for something like that. I have had my iMacs since 2006. I hope the quality Apple touts will prove to be true and that my iMacs last long enough for Apple to see the light and bring back the Built-to-order matte option (at least) for all its product line. And Apple, when I say “see the light”, I’m not referring to the blatant glare that is present on your glossy screens!
I will not be purchasing a new Mac laptop until a non-glossy option is available, and I simply cannot afford the $2400 MacBook Pro 17″.
I am a student at an art academy. We have nice bright classrooms with big windows.
Tilting the glossy-screen display is not helpful most of the times. Adjusting it to a more vertical position makes the view more washed out and less contrasting whether the reflections are still present.
On the other hand, if I push the lid back to gain more contrast, the reflections become unbearable.
All this makes reading a text on the glossy screen tedious, and working with images close to impossible.
Cheers,
Alex
Now that there’s a rumor Apple is bringing back matte displays, I will definitely wait to buy a new one. I hate the glossy display, but I love my MacBook Pro in all other ways!
Like many, glossy screens are painful for my degenerative eye condition, and make focusing more difficult. I have a hard enough time focusing on the screen, even without the reflections that the glossy screen brings and the migraine headaches I’ve gotten as a result. I even avoid TV’s and displays with glossy bezels because it hurts my eyes.
My family would buy a 24″ iMac, a laptop and a 24″ Cinema Display right now if they were all matte. I’d even be happy to pay an extra $50 for the privilege of not being in pain.
I won’t buy a Mac with a glossy screen. I’ve tried it in my studio and hated it. My studio configuration doesn’t allow for moving the position of my computer, and I am not willing to work in a darkened room. So, despite the fact that I’m sorely in need of a computer upgrade, I won’t be buying a glossy-screen Mac. I had hoped Apple would come out with a mid-size Mac tower (since a Mac Pro is overkill for me) and I would pair it with a 30 in matte display, but it doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen either.
Apple, please listen to your customers!
As a photographer, I had to buy a used MacBook Pro in order to upgrade AND get a matte screen. Bring back the matte option!
Just read the rumors today on AppleInsider that Apple is considering more matte options across its lineup. Hooray! I’ve been holding on to my white, matte-screen iMac because I just can’t tolerate the glassy screen of the aluminum iMacs. I’ve tried them in stores, and after about a half hour of trying to see through the glare, I’m left with a throbbing headache between my eyes that lasted for hours. Please, Apple, bring back matte screens on your iMacs.
Dear Apple,
Please bring back matte displays, I would like to purchase another Apple laptop when my 15″ 2.5 MacBook Pro eats it for good. But I WILL NOT PURCHASE A GLOSSY LAPTOP. ibuypower dot com makes a pretty decent laptop at fair prices, and they are pretty damn tempting.
Sean
I’m a photographer with a matte iMac and a matte Powerbook. I need to upgrade both, so I will be upgrading to Microsoft Windows PC’s with matte screens. Professionally I simply cannot use a glossy screen. The photographic and video industries have always championed Macs as their industry standards, but I don’t know a single Pro who has bought one of the gloss-screened Macs. Not one.
Unless I get a better Apple matte option in the very very near future, I will be switching to Microsoft Windows PC’s – as much as I hate to do so.
I have a glossy Macbook Pro at work. The reflections are extremely distracting and a source of fatigue. I am considering offering to personally pay $200 to have the glossy screen replaced with a matte one by an aftermarket vendor. If it was my personal machine I would do it in a heartbeat but I have to contend with the IT department, (Apple warranty questions, no accounting mechanism for employees to personally put money toward a capital item etc.,) when dealing with a company computer.
I am holding off on upgrading the Macs at home until matte screen options are available.
Apple really dropped the ball on this one. The all-black glossy screen looks sharp and stylish from a distance but it is a blatant case of elevating form above function, (a pitfall that Apple has fallen into in the past with mice). To put it bluntly this approach is bad engineering. I have always considered Apple to have better engineered machines than its competitors but this is emphatically not the case for their current generation of screens.
It was a bad marketing decision for Apple to go with glossy only. The lack of a matte screen option (for which many professional users would be willing to pay a premium) is undoubtedly costing Apple sales.
We have been using older, matte-screen iMacs and iBooks exclusively in our editorial office for the past few years – waiting to get them replaced once Apple offers a Matte option. This is starting to get both sub-optimal for me and expensive for Apple as the logic board of my old iMac G5 has been replaced the 3rd time already under warranty. Fortunately I live in a country with extended warranty by law… and a country that’s watching it’s worker’s health: in Austria glossy displays are prohibited by law in the workspace.
Should there be no option available in the future for non-glossy iMacs our office will likely do what they did for recent added seats – get a cheap MiniMac and an affordable Acer LCD which is both big and matte – and the combo is less than a glossy reflective iMac plus the Acer monitor over here carries 3 years full warranty.
The monitor screen is such an important part of a computer to me that I have not purchased an Apple Computer since they started making all shiny screens – and I buy new computers frequently. Glossy screens are a joke to me and I have never understood the trend, other than people thinking they look fancier in a store. I personally think they look cheaper and the reflection is very annoying. The screen is a very important element of a computer to me. I hope Apple starts offering matte screens again.
I currently have a MacBook Pro with a matte screen, and will be in the market for a new one soon. One thing I was dreading was the fact that a new MacBook Pro would not have a matte screen. Having seen both matte and glossy Apple screens, nothing compares with matte. Matte provides a much more pleasant computing experience and allows me to work with my photo and video work without any hassles.
I use a MacBook Pro split between our architecture studios and travel. Our studios are well lit via large floor to ceiling windows, and an abundance of skylights. One of our colleagues ‘upgraded’ his MacBook Pro to a unibody model – of course with a glossy screen as there is no matte alternative on a 15″ MacBook Pro. It’s absolutely redundant in our studios – all one can view is one’s own reflection in the screen … On the road it is even worse, trying to win over clients by showing them images on the glossy screen … We use Mac Pro desktops. We are more than happy with our matte-screen Apple setup …
However NONE IN OUR COMPANY WILL BUY ANOTHER GLOSSY SCREENED LAPTOP. IT IS ABSOLUTELY USELESS IN OUR WORK ENVIRONMENT/FOR TRAVEL/PRESENTATIONS TO CLIENTS IN THIER OWN ENVIRONMENTS. WHY SPEND 1.5-2k on unusable hardware?
APPLE, GIVE CONSUMERS THE OPTION TO CHOOSE A MATTE SCREEN WHEN SPENDING THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON OUR HARDWARE – NONE IN OUR COMPANY WILL BUY ANOTHER GLOSSY SCREENED LAPTOP. WE CAN NOT WORK EFFICIENTLY WITH HIGH GLOSS SCREENS. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE FORCED TO ‘UPGRADE’ TO THE CUMBERSOME 17″ MacBook Pro with an antiglare, matte option
Unfortunately we have little alternative but to put off upgrading our machines, or seek a rival competitor, regardless of the operating system … (At least Windows 7 is looking a damn sight better than Vista)
SNOW LEOPARD WITH GLOSS SCREENS or Windows 7 with matte screens …. so far it’s looking like Microsoft Windows 7 with matte …
COME ON, APPLE, SORT IT OUT.
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15″ MacBook Pro Late 2008 (last MATTE SCREEN MacBook Pro)
8 core Mac Pro
32gb iPhone 3GS
The last thing I want to see – when trying to write a paper, construct a website, edit video, or process photographs – is my own face. If I wanted that I’d buy a mirror.
Apple, please offer your whole line (but especially all MacBook Pros) with matte screens. I would have already bought a 13″ if it were offered with a matte option.
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Mac Pro 3,1 (8 core, Early 2008)
iPhone 3GS (32GB)
I’m really glad someone started this post. I think everyone has already said everything I wanted to say and I have already e-mailed Apple twice about this. Apple, you really let the pro community down. I really hope Apple follows through and offers the matte screen again. Just wanted to add my support to this forum.
Cheers
Tom
Blog Editor’s comment:
There’s benefit in saying it, even though it’s been said before. There is impact in numbers. Also, Apple needs to hear – not just the arguments for bringing back matte – but also the stories of real people whose work and use of computers have been inconvenienced by Apple’s decision to remove matte screens from iMacs, MacBook Pros and Cinema Displays. Adding another story or anecdote to this site is always valuable, and appreciated. When people like Tim Cook say that Apple is not in business to serve the needs of all their customers (he made that comment in relation to netbooks), Tim needs to hear the actual real-life stories of how corporate decisions like that affect actual users.
Actually, the lack of matte in the Cinema Display is not so problematic because we can always buy matte external monitors from Dell and other of Apple’s competitors, but when iMacs and MacBook Pros lose the matte option – and we love OSX – we have nowhere to turn to.
According to reports, the TechRestore service does not seem a totally palatable option since – according to the MacWorld review – it damages the MacBook ever so slightly. Seriously, who wants their MacBook Pro, worth a few thousand dollars, damaged – even if it is ever so slightly, just to get a matte screen that Apple should be providing to meet the needs of their customers.
Also, the PhotoDon matte films likewise are not a fully agreeable option. Reports indicate it is difficult to apply the film to the computer while avoiding entrapped bubbles and dust, thus making your beautiful Mac into an eyesore. Moreover, some reports suggest that the PhotoDon films degrade the resolution of the screens, and can affect the color accuracy.
I’ve been holding out for a long time from buying a new Mac. I’m on an ancient G4 Powerbook 1.33ghz. My eyes can not tolerate the reflections on the glassy gloss screens currently offered. I use my Powerbook for work and personal purposes. When I’m at work, I’m either in an bright office or outdoors. I can not control the lighting, thus reflections would be a constant battle. The 17 inch MacBook Pro – the only model to offer an anti-glare matte screen – is not an option for me as it’s to big to travel with.
Please bring the matte screen option back.
I wish Apple had a matte 13″ MacBook Pro!
I prefer matte.
Apple, please give us the option to choose matte displays!
I’ve got an older 15″ Macbook Pro with a matte screen, and I love it … and need another one. But there’s absolutely no way that I’m going to get a new one unless I can get a matte screen on that also, without having to buy a 17″ model that’s too large to be practical for me. I’ve steered a few friends away from Macs for this very reason – they can easily get Microsoft Windows PC’s with matte screens, and have done so.
If I want to look at myself I will buy a mirror, but not a glossy display Mac. Matte or nothing.
Similar to Rick above, I have a Early 2007 Macbook Pro with the matte screen. Although sorely tempted to grab a new MacBook Pro 13″, the main thing that holds me back is the glossy screen. So at this point, I intend holding onto the older, matte-screen mac until I absolutely have to upgrade.
i.e. by not having a matte option, Apple has missed out on a sale, as I probably would have upgraded on a 2-3 year cycle rather than a 4-5 year cycle that I will probably hold out till now.
I have skipped the unibody Macs entirely due to the lack of matte screens. Much as I admire the design and need the extra speed, I cannot part with my trusty 15” 2.16 GHz MacBook Pro if there is not at least an anti-reflective option. If glasses can be treated to reduce glare, surely Apple can do the same to the glass component of its screens. Make it happen, Apple, and you will have another sale.
A Chilean customer.
I bought a refurbished white iMac over a year ago because all the new ones had glossy screens. I’d like to get a 15″ MacBook Pro, but won’t do so until there is a matte option. Same thing with a new iMac.
Hi!
… I don’t need them
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I’m about to buy a MacBook Pro 13″ to replace my over 6 year old Powerbook 12″ … The Powerbook still works well, but, you know, some software programs I will need in the near future do not work on it. The only thing that’s holding me back is the glossy screen actually. I can live with the integrated graphics chip and SD card slot instead of ExpressCard, and a USB2 instead of USB3, and Firewire 800 instead of 3200 (thinking about the future
There is no way I will buy a glossy MacBook! I have come to the point of looking at Lenovo Notebooks with Linux … But I want Mac OS! So please give me some anti-glossy screen!
I need the “Pro” MacBook for working several hours a day and my eyes are a lot more relaxed on a matte screen. Sadly a matte external monitor is not always an option for me on the move. So please, Apple, give me a matte option and I will buy it, and yes, if you insist I will happily pay the $50 upgrade for this matte option, even if there should not be any price difference.
Best regards,
Valentin
As a graphic artist, matte screens are essential. I need to know that what I’m seeing is what will be printed. I realize matte screens are available in the 17″ MacBook Pro model but to me a laptop should be portable. I have a 15″ MacBook Pro at the moment but would love to downsize to the new 13″ – but that gloss is keeping me from taking the plunge! Mattes for everybody please!
Please bring back the matte screens! I have a hard time matching colors with the glossy screens!
Oh please Lord let it be true!!! Apple Insider are reporting a change of heart may be imminent from:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/15/apple_may_extend_antiglare_display_option_to_more_macs.html
Go on Apple … give us matte lovers the option!
+1 for matte!
I want a portable Mac to accompany my desktop Mac Pro. The rumor of Apple bringing back matte screens is finally some news that I can pull the trigger with full satisfaction that I’m getting all I want in a portable. What possessed Apple to think gloss was suitable for a laptop on the go? Sure you can put you hand over the iPhone or tilt it away from full sunlight, but not a Mac. Also i want with a 24″ Lacie display for the Pro, primarily because of Apple’s fetish for gloss.
Simply put … Apple are losing business and complete satisfaction from professionals and users in the know. Apple, like any business, has ultimately got to make money, and in the long run they are alienating their long established and committed user base by not offering the matte option. Therefore, it makes sense, if this rumor becomes reality, that Apple is interested in continuing to secure its business.
Come on, Apple, by meeting the demanding needs of the professional, you’ll easily meet those of the consumer. That’s what had defined Apple, not the reverse of recent years. A Mac is not an iPod, certainly since only the polycarb is now designated consumer level.
My first Mac was a Macbook Pro with matte screen. Later on I had to work on a glossy screen iMac and absolutely can`t stand it. I`ve got several issues with glossy screen:
- eye strain is very high with glossy screen … you can more or less blend out the reflections in your mind but the eye still constantly refocuses between the content and the reflection. Working 9 hours a day on a Mac with glossy screen can really be a pain!
- I work on graphics and photos all day long … they look great on a matte screen but O dear what is that on the glossy screen? Is this crap really what I came up with? Glossy screens are great for consumers because everything looks great, but not for professionals who like things the way they are.
- reflections … my ego probably isn’t big enough to see myself all the time
I was keen on spending more money to get more processing power but till the matte option is coming back I’m holding off too. I don’t care how my MacBook looks or if Apple saves a couple of bucks with leaving out the anti-glare finish, but the MacBook Pro is a tool for professionals (or I thought this would be the case) so, Apple, please bring back the matte finish. Hell, I even would spend the money to get it as an option (god I loved it back then when matte was standard).
I am a long time Apple user (20+ years). I upgraded from my Powerbook G4 to a 15″ MacBook Pro in January. I had never had a glossy screen but was left no option by Apple. I have tried and tried to “get used to” the glossy screen to no avail. It gives me significant eye strain and headaches. I have ordered a matte screen cover to hopefully do away with this terrible problem. I am very unhappy with Apple and will certainly never buy another computer from Apple with a glossy screen! I am a small business owner and will not buy glossy screens for my business – they are unhealthy.
The problem is glare and reflections on glass displays. Matte screens don’t have that problem, but look dull and faded next to glassy screens.
There is anti-reflective glass- it costs a bit more than the cheap reflective glass, but cancels out 99% of the glare and reflections.
What’s good about it is it looks just like regular glass, so the contrast, clarity and color of glass still remains.
Why Apple uses cheap reflective glass when they could use the better glass is beyond me- trying to increase their profit margins I assume.
I calculate it would add about $60 per machine to the price for this type of quality glass.
Lots of suppliers available and volume purchases would kick down the price in this rough economy.
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Apple can do it if they want too.
I’m a professional photographer who spends a lot of time looking at screens, and I can’t believe Apple doesn’t offer a matte option on the whole MacBook Pro line.
When I last bought a new laptop in 2006, I foolishly got the glossy screen option because Apple said it was great for photos. Well, it’s not. If there is a window or other light source behind you, it is VERY distracting and hard to focus on the image, unless you turn the brightness way up, which ruins the calibration of your screen!
And my screen is much less glossy than the new unibody screens. I want to upgrade but I’m waiting in case the matte option comes to the 13″ and 15″ MacBook Pro. Firewire 800 came back to the 13″ MacBook Pro so maybe there is hope. I’ll hold onto my cash in the mean time.
I do more serious editing using a 23″ Cinema Display, but even that has gone gloss now. What were Apple thinking?? I’d happily give Apple the money if they had a matte 24″ screen. Apple is forcing me to spend twice as much to buy an Eizo screen, or buy a used 23″ matte Apple display.
Grr.
I was about to buy the old white 24″ iMac back in August 2007, when I decided to wait for the new iteration. Bad decision – the next generation of aluminum iMacs only came with glossy screen. When I tried the new aluminum iMac in the store, I just couldn’t get used to the high gloss with all the reflections in dark areas and all the glare from background lighting. I tried using one at a friend’s place – same problem. I don’t see how anyone can use the glossy screens without straining to see “through” the reflections, or how could someone realistically check for screen uniformity or accurate color brightness with all the reflections on a glossy screen?
I decided to forgo buying an iMac because of the glossy screen. If Apple decides to re-instate the matte option, I will definitely consider switching. There’s a reason why CRT monitors went from bare screen to anti-glare.
Matte is such a simple option to offer. Apple, please give us back the matte. It’s important to many of us … you could say it matt-ers.
I currently own a 2007 15″ Macbook Pro, a Mac Mini, and a Mac Pro (2.8 GHz Octo). I have told Apple before via their Macbook Pro feedback link that I will NOT buy another Macbook Pro unless the matte option is returned. I will be replacing my current MacBook Pro next February, and if the matte option isn’t available at that time I will simply go back to Microsoft Windows 7 on a Lenovo Thinkpad. I sincerely hope today’s rumors regarding the return of the matte option are true, I would love to get a Unibody MacBook Pro with mobile Nehalem processor and matte screen next February. Bring it back Apple!
I tried to make the glossy work, but my eyes could not deal with the strain caused by the glare. Let us hope that Apple will give us a matte glass preference and not just strip off the glass and charge us $50 for less product. If CRTs can offer a matte finish on their glass so can Apple. Unless Apple decides to offer a matte glass option, I will no longer be able to recommend Macs to family, friends, and business associates. As for me, my next computer will be a hackintosh unless or until Apple offers a viable matte glass option.
I have been an Apple customer since 2001 and have bought various Macs over the years – Mac Mini, iMac 24″, MacBook, MacBook Pro 15″, MacBook Pro 17″
The glossy iMac 24″ is unusable for software development, reading text all day on a glossy screen causes me considerable eye strain.
I sold the glossy iMac and bought the last MacBook Pro 17″ with the matte display. It is a fantastic display and I still have that machine.
Normally I buy a new machine each year, but since Apple went gloss crazy, I have no real choices (since I already have a MacBook Pro 17″).
By the way, the Apple Cinema Displays are awful … it is not just Apple, but it is an industry disgrace that we do not have super-high DPI screens … LCD technology has done nothing much in the last 5 years. What’s the point of having a 30″ display if the DPI is so rubbish that you cant even read 8pt text on it!!! I would much rather have a 15″ display with 200dpi than the current 30″ on offer.
I prefer matte screens, but I don’t like how the matte option looks like on the 17” MacBook Pro. The aluminum bezel just doesn’t fit into the rest of the MacBook theme and looks completely discontinuous and, dare I say, ugly. The black plastic hinge cover spoils it. The previous generation looked so much better put together.
I hope Apple manages to recover from this, or else they will lose a lot of customers.
I’m glad I still have my matte Apple 22″ Cinema Display (purchased over 8 years ago and still works great), because I really didn’t care for the glossy screens I saw on some recent Macs.
Likewise I have a matte Cinema Display hooked up to my glossy iMac. In the afternoons, the matte display is the only monitor I can see anything on. At times the glossy iMac is like a mirror. (Fine if you like looking at yourself all day, but I prefer to do my work!)
Bring back the matte!
Cheers.
More than “will not buy” a glossy, in fact I am not buying. Not a future tense, but present. I want to replace my 15″ MacBook Pro with a unibody one, but I’ll wait until they offer the matte option. Also, to be honest, it’s the biggest (in fact, only) warning I give to all people interested in a new Mac … Make sure you could live with glossy, because I can’t. Guess what, I have 2 laptops and 3 LCD display, all of them are matte. This didn’t happen by accident … I don’t care what Apple think about – I’m the one sitting behind the monitor 12 hours a day.
It’s unfathomable that Apple has stopped offering matte displays. The display is the window into your computer experience. You just can’t mess with that. There are plenty of people who will never go for a glossy display because of the glare and hard reflections. My main use for my Macs is not to watch movies or viewing photos. The decision to offer glossy displays only, surely has made Apple lose any new business from me. I decided to keep my 2.4GHZ MacBook Pro for longer and I just bought a couple of extra used 23″ matte Cinema Displays.
What I really want, however, is higher resolution displays in general. If you can put 1920×1200 in a 17″ display, surely someone can make higher resolution 20″, 24″ and 30″ displays.
The glossy screens on the 24″ LCDs have been the reason my work has stopped purchasing Apple Displays. In Graphic Design a glossy screen is just not compatible. My work used to purchase an Apple Display with every Mac Pro. Now we don’t. Apple’s definitely losing business over this.
I agree with Mario. Just give us a matte screen with a black bezel. Simple (and I’m waiting for this before buying a MacBook Pro).
I completely agree with everything you say. Matte screens are for serious users who need to get work done, at this point my 23 inch Apple matte screen is awesome and I’d hate to eventually in the future replace it with a glossy screen because it would conflict with workflow and choosing colours.
Crossing my fingers for the matte screen to return to Apple.
aleX
My 20″ C2D 2.16 iMac logic board is on the fritz (a known iMac issue), but I am spending tons of money to bandage it, and possibly repair it, because I WILL NOT buy a glossy screen. I am prone to headaches (literally), and that glossy screen will do me in for sure.
Apple — you’ve got to bring back Matte, or make it an option.
Having used Macs since the very beginning, and since I have owned 7 different Mac machines, I can honestly say that the most enjoyable to use have been my Duo 230, G5 iMac and my wife’s MacBook Pro – all with matte screens.
I do amateur photo work and find my aging eyes much less strained with a matte screen than on my son’s unibody, glossy-screen MacBook Pro. On that glossy machine, photo viewing, let alone any basic editing, is entirely useless in any environment other than a dark room. Even then, the higher perceived contrast with the gloss screen produces a false result with the photo that is printed.
I also professionaly use my Mac for 3D image reconstruction of medical images, and the gloss screen is unacceptable. Has anyone ever been to a radiology suite and seen glossy screens? And these reading rooms are in pitch black surrounds! All the screens are matte!!
Wake up Apple and smell the money you are losing by not offering a matte option on pro machines and on the iMac (a pro machine in its own right).
My G5 iMac just died a premature death as I waited for a new iMac with a matte screen. Now I don’t know what I’m going to do since the current Aluminum iMac has no matte option at this moment. I will NOT buy a 24 inch glossy screen to accompany a new MacBook Pro, but I need the large screen realestate. Maybe a non-Apple product? Hum … just maybe. Kachink kachink Apple. All that money going south in that great sucking sound.
I was about to buy a MacBook Pro a few months ago, but found that I couldn’t afford the 17″ model. Since the 17″ version was the only one with matte options, I didn’t have any options.
I was looking to switch from PC to Mac but until they have a matte screen option I will NOT buy a MAC. I use my rig for work in all sorts of places and it is crazy for Apple to think that the shiny screen works in real life situations.
A glossy screen is a deal breaker for me. As a consultant, I use my machine in several different work environments per week, most of which have overhead fluorescent lighting. I’ve been putting off getting a new MacBook Pro for a while, and even replaced the logic board on my current matte-screen 15″ MacBook Pro to try to extend it, rather than have to buy a new one with the dreaded glossy display. Apple’s test marketing of trendy hipsters does not trump my ergonomic health, and the 17″ MacBook Pro isn’t portable enough for me. Hopefully today’s rumors about Apple considering bringing back the matte screen are true. I’ll be the first in line at the Apple Store the day they come out.
David
As a 3D visualizer for Architects, most of my images end up being printed. The 24″ LED Cinema Display would be perfect for my needs if only it were a matte display. I require matte monitors because matte monitors more closely approximate how a final printed image will appear. Because glossy screens artificially boost contrast and color richness, I end up producing images that only look good on my monitor – but when my images are printed or viewed by someone else, the colours are all messed up. I consider colour the most important part of my work, and this is the main thing holding me back from buying glossy Apple displays in future. Also, glare and reflections can be quite distracting on glossy screens, although this is mostly a problem with greys and blacks.
Earlier this year my wife bought a superseded 15″ MacBook Pro to avoid the glossy screen – one of the last three in the store. I would like a unibody MacBook Pro, but not with glossy screen. I’ll stick to my G5 desktop and perhaps pick up a matte-screen model secondhand. In the meantime I pry her matte MacBook Pro out of her hands when I need to be away from my desk.
Come on, Apple, stop ignoring those customers who clearly can’t stand the glossy screens. Rectify this mistake by offering a choice.
Doug
I spent more than 35 years working in data processing, from a humble computer operator in the 1970’s to an IT manager, after which I retired due to ill-health. Throughout that period, the main request from operators and data entry clerks etc. was for some form of glare reduction for the CRTs that were the only available input devices for most of that time. We tried anti-glare polarising film for the windows behind the clerks, we tried venetian blinds … We had polarising glass screens that hung onto the front of the CRTs, we had a sort of nylon mesh device that worked in the same way. This applied to the majority of users too!
Then, in the late 90’s, we started to get the first LCD screens, like the ones from IBM, 14 or 15 inches, I think … They were a beautiful thing, everybody loved them, even at £800!
Less than ten years later, Sony started to produce their glossy screen laptops, and I remember seeing them in a computer store and thinking that they must be absolutely mad. They were reintroducing what had been a completely unavoidable problem with CRTs for no other reason than marketing glitter?
Fortunately, when I finally bought myself an Apple machine, I inadvertantly bought the last matte 15 inch MacBook Pro in June 2008 from what was then a choice. I say inadvertantly, because I had debated for a few years about whether I needed a laptop or not, and when I finally jumped, I did not realise that this was the last matte-screen model that Apple were to make.
Now, I am thinking of replacing my desktop PC, and would love to get an Apple, but my choices are REALLY limited. I have to choose either a Mac Mini and suffer the inconvenience of the thing grinding to halt when more than three applications are opened, or a MacPro, which is brilliant, but far more power than I really need. Funnily enough, I went to an Apple store yesterday and tested the Mac Mini to see how soon (according to my theory) it would take to crap out, and it was indeed not long.
So … Apple … We either need a midrange desktop (without a matte screen) or we need an anti-glare option on your otherwise excellent iMac, and we need it NOW!
PS If you want me to upgrade my laptop for another Mac at some point in the future, you need to offer a matte choice on those too!
Back when our CRT displays had to be made of glass, reducing the glare was a real issue. The better CRTs had “thin film coating” to reduce the glare by way of destructive interference, similar to what is found on camera lenses. Anti-glare filters hung from the top of monitors in offices across the world. Now that we have plastic screens, why oh why would you make them shiny and glary? It’s nuts, it’s just nuts!
I assume Apple is simply following the fashionable shiny objects trend. I hate to see the Apple I love become more about style and less about substance.
I won’t buy anything with a shiny screen. Here’s hoping my Early 2008 15″ MacBook Pro has the longevity to weather the current storm of fashion that has gripped Apple.
David.
Glossy is horrible. Bring back matte on all models!
Gloss should be only used to put on womens’ lips.
Just bought a Dell Vostro 1720 due to its matte anti-glare display. Can’t stand glossy screens. Would have bought a 13″ or 15″ MacBook Pro if an anti-glare/matte display was an option. (I use a Mac Pro as my desktop). The 17″ MacBook Pro is too expensive, and I don’t want the tiny pixels that you get on a 1920×1200 screen at 17″.
If Apple does not offer matte on the iMac or MacBook Pro, then it’s a Mac Mini or Mac Pro, or move on I guess. Which at least presents some argument for a matte laptop.
Oh well …
A matte screen 13” MacBook Pro would be lovely. Reflections of a glossy screen are so disturbing to me.
Please please bring back Matte.
Just bought a MacBook Pro 15″ unibody 2.53ghz from the Apple store and it’s a great, fast, machine but am sending it straight back as its glossy screen is just too hard on my eyes.
I’ve used Macs for 16 years for photographic work and this is the first time I’ve had to do this.
Ed
I will not buy a Mac unless it has a Matte screen.
No Matte = no sale.
Makes me appreciate my 6+ year old matte-screen iMac all the more.
As a graphic designer I too agree that there should be the option for anti-glare screen.
Apple must extend the matte option to the other MacBooks sizes and even for the LED Cinema Display.
I came here just to vote for matte screens. I want a new MacBook so bad, but I don’t have the money for the top of the line 17″. I am going to get the 15″ but it will pain me very much to have to deal with reflection on it like I do on my current screen. The lighting in my office is arranged so that it is always behind me, and I can’t do anything about it. I have to angle my screen just right to be able to see anything at all. PLEASE bring back matte screens!
Bought a Macbook Pro 13″ 2.53 for better portability.
Biggest mistake this year.
I was using a MacBook Pro 15″ 2.4 middle of 2008 model, that was a real beauty.
After a day at work using the 13″ glossy screen, I’m having trouble reading the text I’m writing here.
I’m going to be patient and try to get an anti-glare film.
If it doesn’t work I’m going to get a nice Microsoft Windows laptop and make it into a Hackintosh.
Thanks for this website.
Marco
I had bought a 24″ glossy-screen iMac last year and experienced the same discomfort. My eyes were too irritated by the glare and I had a headache 10 minutes later. I returned that iMac 15 minutes later. What a shame, Apple is still ignoring customers’ needs.
I prefer matte displays over glossy / glass displays.
My last Mac was an iBook G4 with matte screen and I won’t upgrade until Apple offers a matte screen on a small laptop again.
Glossy displays are the reason I stopped buying iMacs. My latest purchases have been Mac Minis with the older style aluminium Cinema Displays — just purchased two more of these matte screen displays on eBay and they’re brilliant.
I was so put off by the glossy screen on the new Macs that instead of buying one, I bought a couple of DELL screens in protest .. right … DELL. ( great screens) Fact is, in order to do accurate graphics work, one must have a matte screen.
I have the large Apple Cinema Screen 20 inch and it is matte in my model anyway and there is no way to use it and a glossy screen to work together.
Apple must not allow choice to be left behind in this matter. A fifty dollar surcharge is a no-brainer to me. I would gladly pay the difference to be able to buy a nice new laptop with a proper matte screen.
In the meantime I will continue to use my first generation MacBook Pro and the MATTE DELL SCREENS. Apple lost money on this purchase since I could not see myself fighting a losing battle with a mirrror shiny glossy screen. I have enough trouble getting images right with a matte one. If you build it, Apple, I will come … matte … I await thee …
I simply won’t buy a new MacBook Pro until the Matte screen option is back.
I will not buy iMac or MacBook Pro without a matte screen because that is what I want. I don’t give a flying flip what Apple wants – I’m paying for it – and hear this: I will not pay $50 extra for what should be a standard offering. Also, clean up the hard drive interface and video problems while you’re at it.
I would like to upgrade to a new MacBook Pro 15″, but I will keep my current one indefinitely. I can’t stand the glossy screen on my wife’s 24″ iMac.
Apple, a frequent comment on this forum is that, if Apple does not provide Macs (iMacs and MacBook Pros) with matte, anti-glare screens – then, for the time being, we love OSX too much to seriously move back to Microsoft. Instead, we will do our best to keep our current matte-screen Macs living as long as possible.
Actually, nowadays, that’s an increasingly viable option: Leopard 10.5 is getting very stable, and the incremental visible (aside from under-the-hood) changes in Snow Leopard 10.6 are nice to have, but, as far as I can see, not game-changing essentials. Nowadays, most of the Intel-generation chips are fast enough for common daily tasks, such as email, web surfing and word processing.
When I was FORCED to contemplate never buying another Mac again, but using my current 2.16 GHz white, matte-screen iMac for 10 years – initially I thought I would be missing a lot, but then I realized that 99% of the tasks I do today are going to be the same ones I’ll be doing 10 years from now. Hence, there’s no reason why my 2.16 GHZ iMac won’t be serving my needs adequately, barring failure of the motherboard (and hopefully no significant long-term degradation of the matte screen due to aging).
As for extra storage, I could get a technician to change the internal hard disk, or attach extra external hard disks which are growing in capacity each month, it seems.
If it came to the crunch, I could buy a new Mac Mini with an Apple-competitor’s external matte screen – assuming Apple keep offering an entry-level standalone model like the Mac Mini.
Apple, I thought that marketing people, like your VP of Marketing, Phil Schiller, had a job description of keeping its customers lusting for new products, and wanting to upgrade – not because they have to, but because of the lust factor of owning newer Macs. Isn’t it, therefore, silly that, just by refusing to offer a matte screen option, you are quenching the Mac-lust factor, and forcing us to come to our senses, and realise that we really did not have to upgrade our Macs every two years – and that, even if we did not – life would carry on very adequately with our existing equipment.
This is not what marketing people, like Apple’s Phil Schiller, want their customers to start thinking. But, take note, that is how a large number of people, who have posted on this forum, have been FORCED to start thinking.
I want to buy a 13 inch MacBook Pro. But I cannot abide glossy screens.
I think it’s a good thing that Apple keeps it product lines simple. For instance the simplification of the MacBook Pro line with the unibody 13 inch Mac becoming a ‘pro’ with a Firewire 800 port, card reader and long life non-removable battery. Excellent. But for the screen I cannot get on with a glossy. So like the 17 inch MacBook Pro – please offer an anti-glare, matte (or even transreflective) option.
I’m still using my old matte Powerbook alongside a newer (matte) iMac, though I had planned to purchase a new 15″ MacBook over a year ago. I keep waiting for a matte screen – I still can’t believe Apple did that!
Matte please!
+1 here for Matte screens. I get migraines from looking at glossy screens.
Glossy displays are terrible. Apple, please bring back the matte option.
I’m considering buying a MacBook, but the only reason I don’t is the glossy screen – really hate it.
The day the matte MacBook Pros are available (in 13″), I will buy one.
That very day.
Apple, I’m all ready to purchase a new MacBook Pro once you provide at least a similar option for Matte screens as you have with the 17″ MacBook Pro. Otherwise there’s no way I’ll upgrade.
I was really disappointed that the new unibody 15″ MacBook Pro didn’t have a matte option. I bought a black MacBook for my wife and the glossy screen drives us crazy. I still use my old 12″ matte-screen Powerbook for travel-related gigs and refuse to buy a new machine until Apple offers matte displays. The 17″ MacBook Pro is too big for my needs. The 15″ is perfect.
Glad to know they are listening.
tb
I have used a Mac since 1984 shortly after they were released. I am a retired cinematographer. I am very familiar with professional standards of color timing and the precise control of light.
I don’t think Phil Schiller, Apple’s VP of Marketing, really believes what he is saying to justify the nearly exclusive use of glossy screens in the line up. I think Steve Jobs is driving this and others at Apple are spouting the party line in fear of retribution. I say this reluctantly as I admire Steve Jobs greatly for his singular vision and courage in defying reprehensible trends in the digital world.
I’m lucky. I am only interested in the 17″ MacBook Pro so I do have the option for a matte screen. I also use this to drive my existing wonderful 30″ Apple Cinema Display which is, thankfully, only matte.
The sole advantage of glossy is deeper blacks, however, glossy screens make the rest of the color gamut inherently “cartoon-like” and unacceptable to a working professional color timer. Rendition of color across a glossy screen is inconsistent.
A laptop is a portable so, by definition, control of lighting is nearly impossible. I could turn off all the lights, line the whole room with black velvet and still have the light from the screen bounce off my face and see that reflection. No, I’m not going to take the next step and wear a black velvet hood over my head.
The professional user base, that kept Apple from going under, in the bad old days are vocal enough to at least force Apple from removing the matte option from the 17″ MacBook Pro.
If I were a youngster I would would be inclined to at least listen to experienced working pros on their nearly unanimous preference for matte. There was an instructive comment from one user on this forum about school children flocking to the matte screens and shunning the glossy. That alone should be proof enough.
Why are these “surveys” not broken down by “publics”. Any professional marketing person knows full well that there is no such thing as the “the public”, singular. In marketing, the word “public” is a plural. There are numerous “publics”. To over simplify, there is, at least, the “professional public” and the “wow that’s shiny” public. I definitely get the sense from this forum that it is made up of the “professional public” and it is close to unanimous in endorsing the matte screen and that endorsement is passionate. Nearly everyone here has taken the trouble to be articulate and compose their posts with care and make a specific and credible argument.
I will take responsibility for personally bringing about the “switching” of most of my extended family and close friends to the Mac. I did so on the strength of my professional credibility and passion. The long term viability of any product is ultimately dependent on word of mouth. If Apple must be content with a ceiling of 10% market share in order to retain that passion of credible professionals then I submit that it is worth it in order to retain this advantage. Besides 10% of the world market is enough and 10% is a ceiling that is not too high a price to pay to retain that word of mouth.
Apple, Steve, don’t betray that loyalty and passion or you’ll ultimately and eventually fail and that would be truly tragic for the whole industry.
Apple, continue to champion open standards on the lower echelons of the software stack essential to future interoperability across platforms. Linux alone can’t pull this off. Thus, if Apple fails, we are all in a “bag of hurt” as Steve Jobs so accurately describes HDMI and BlueRay, Silverlight, Flash, DRM, etc. Apple’s voice is an essential ingredient countering such tyrannical trends. Thus, from a very broad perspective, Apple must not be allowed to fail over issues, such as the matte screen issue, which are easily fixed and, by comparison, trivial.
I believe that an anti-reflective matte finish on a portable is an absolutely essential option that needs to be offered across Apple’s product lines. It’s a shame that Apple has chosen only to offer the matte finish on the most expensive MacBook Pro. Personally, I purchased the 17″ MacBook Pro because it was the only model to offer a matte display. I hope that Apple will recognize the error of its ways, and again offer customers who wish to buy a 13″ or 15″ MacBook Pro the ability to enjoy the same gorgeous anti-reflective treatment that I enjoy on my 17″ MacBook Pro.
My Powerbook G4 (867mHz!) desperately needs replacing and I am waiting for a matte or anti glare option with the MacBook Pro 15′. I have tried out MacBooks with glossy screens on several occasions. I have tried to bring myself to liking them. Then I tried hard to bring myself to at least accepting them (It felt like the day this French farmer we were staying with cheerfully placed a plate with 2 dozen fresh oysters on our dinner table: “bonne appetite!” he said, but I just … anyway). I will NOT buy any compter with a glossy screen. I’d love to oblige and be polite and everything but … just can’t. I’m most terribly sorry, Apple.
I won’t buy a new glossy-screen Mac coz I work with my computer every day and simply can’t handle glossy displays. I would buy new Apple hardware if there would be the option for matte displays on at least 15 inches models. As simple.
I am a Mac user since January 1984, (one of the first purchasers in Santa Ana California), founded the first local-government users group there. I will continue to champion and buy Mac products, glossy or not, but strongly support the push for availability of non-glossy, matte screens (and FIREWIRE).
Michael Bohlig
mbohlig@cox.net
Why does Apple continue to alienate the professionals that help put the company where it is today. Anybody working with colour critical applications knows that you simply cannot obtain an adequate calibration with a glossy screen. Couple this with the number of customers complaining of eye-strain and migraine given off by the glare on the glossy screens and you are left with those ‘Magpie’ consumers who fall prey to the eye-candy attraction of the mirror-like displays currently offered without option.
All that glistens is not gold and may prove to be the downfall of the company over time. Taking away the freedom of choice over the screen options may cause more damage in the long run, as customers, such as myself, begin to worry that Apple is running the company for its own convenience and without a thought as to what the customer really wants.
For instance, I am in need of a new monitor for photography and video work. The current Apple Cinema Display that I have provides a matte screen, but it is old and in need of a refresh. The only other current option available is the new 24″ – Glossy.
My browser is now pointed at the websites of your competitors – Eizo, or LaCie. Apple, I shall give you until September to see if a new matte 30″ screen with suitable resolution, contrast ratio and efficient calibration is made available. If not, that will be a sale you will have lost. If other people follow suit this year and maybe the next, and the year after, you will begin to see a drift away from the window of your products. Any shop designer knows that you need to get the window right to entice the customer to come through the door. Get your Apple Cinema Dispaly range right and you offer a window to the world.
Matte and glossy screens should be made available as a choice across the entire range, without a punitive premium for those simply wanting the right tool for the job.
I really dislike glossy displays. PLEASE make it at least an option for people that need matte displays. I would have bought an imac, but for me glossy is not an option. Thank you Apple.
I would immediately order an 13″ MacBook Pro if there was an option for matte displays. Apple already added an SD-card slot, which is a must-have for me. The matte display option is even more important.
Glossy screens are for entertainment, which has its place.
Anti-glare screens are for work, for professionals. We need the option of quality equipment for “grown-up” work, equipment that keeps them more productive and promotes their physical health both short and long term.
I realize Apple may be going to glass screens for durability and to support a transition to touch screens. Professionals can take care of fragile screens that help them get their work done, and we will not need touch screens even if they are supported by OS X.
Apple’s decision on this issue leaves me wary of becoming further locked in to their products.
Apple, please offer a matte screen soon … I don’t want to have to get a Microsoft computer!!!!
The only reason for me holding back on buying a MacBook Pro is the lack of a matte display on the 15 inch models. I correct photos while I’m on the go and I’m constantly on trains, cars etc. where it’s prone to sunlight, so a matte, anti-glare display is much preferred.
Apple, just do it … bring back the matte display and nearly 2000 pounds will be yours!
I won’t buy a glossy Mac, laptop or stand-alone display. My wife has a MacBook with glossy and it is absolutely annoying. I’ve used Macs since 1992 and cannot understand why Apple would force this issue. What is so tough about having a matte, anti-glare option on all Macs? It seems Apple is leaving the display realm for others to fill as they won’t refresh their line. An outdated 30″ Cinema Display (which I’ve been holding out for either a price break or a refresh for 3 years!) and then a 24″ glossy-only LED. How bizzare!
I am glad I bought my MacBook Pro/Apple Cinema Display a few years ago at the time when the displays were still matte by default. The glossy display is shiny and attractive at first sight, but is not an option for daily use for many people, including myself.
I’m waiting to upgrade from my 5 year old Powerbook until the matte screen returns to the 15″ MacBook Pros. I have tried a friend’s glossy-screened MacBook Pro and it doesn’t work for me. Given the variety of lighting conditions that I work in, I simply can’t use a glossy screen without considerable annoyance and distraction … and that’s not what I want from my Mac.
The news today is that Apple’s sales marketshare is down 12.4% compared to last year, and that Acer’s and Toshiba’s marketshare increased.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=21183&tag=nl.e539
No one is saying that Apple’s decrease is solely attributable to the lack of matte screens, or that Acer’s and Toshiba’s increase is due to the fact that those manufacturers do offer matte screen notebooks. (Lenovo also offers business and pro-level notebook computers with matte screens).
However, see comment above (June 26, 2009: MacMatte) which details the results of a June 2009 MacRumors glossy vs matte poll, which indicated that 40% prefer matte and – significantly for Apple’s marketers – 19% would not buy glossy: that includes people who outright refuse to buy glossy, and those who initially bought glossy and were so disappointed that they would never again buy a glossy-screen Mac. Now, when 19% of Mac users refuse to ever buy your products, surely, surely, surely that has to affect sales figures.
A common jibe from the glossy-camp is that these online poll results are skewed, and that really, the 19% glossy-refusal is actually too high. Okay, let’s run with that argument. If 19% glossy-refusal poll result is too high, and in reality, it’s half of that. That’s still close to 10% who refuse to buy glossy. That correlates roughly with Apple’s 12% decrease in marketshare.
Remember my hypothesis made in comment 130 above: that Apple would not immediately see a drop in sales figures because of the lack of matte screens. This is because most people, who hate glossy screens, will keep continuing to use their current Macs, rather than upgrading. People usually upgrade every 2-4 years, so the eventual hit in Apple’ marketshare will occur gradually over the next 2-4 years.
In my opinion, it is interesting that this drop in Apple’s marketshare is happening around 2-3 years out from the time it went all-glossy, because most people upgrade their Macs every 2-4 years.
The full drop in marketshare has not yet occurred because – as you can see from the comments on this site – there are a lot of Mac users who are going past their usual upgrade timeframe, and continuing to use their existing matte Macs in the hope that Apple brings back matte screens.
If a Mac user is ever FORCED to go back to Windows, it won’t be easy to get that user back again to Mac, particularly if Microsoft’s Windows 7 turns out to be even half as good as the consensus of feedback indicates. Apple simply has to bring back matte screens before the November 2009 Windows 7 launch, otherwise around 19% of Mac users could be FORCED, by Apple, to revert back to Microsoft from later on this year.
In the past, a deterrent to switching between Mac and Windows, or vise versa, was the cost of paying for Microsoft Office for the new system, but with Microsoft’s proposed free online versions of Office, and the improvement in open source OpenOffice, there are now less cost-barriers for Mac users who are FORCED to switch back to Windows.
I have always thought that Apple’s dramatic increase in marketshare, seen over the last few years, may not be a long-term trend, but actually a short window of opportunity that has been created by the dramatic shortcomings of Microsoft Vista. Vista has been a laughing stock, and that has definitely contributed to Apple’s marketshare increase. For instance, do you think that Apple’s “Get A Mac” advertisements would stand up as well against Windows 7?
Apple’s true long-term marketshare trajectory will become clear probably a year after Windows 7 launches.
I think that if Apple goes into the next round against Windows 7, with a 10-19% self-inflicted handicap – the percentage who refuse to buy Macs with glossy screens – I predict either further decreases for Apple, or at least stagnation and an end to the current increase of 1% per year.
I think this issue of how marketshare ties in with matte screens is important. Why? Because it is almost certain that, in Apple’s boardroom, a conversation between Steve Jobs and probably Tim Cook went along these lines: “Apple is not in business to please everyone. If we remove matte screens, a small percent will complain, but a large percent of those will continue to buy Macs. Even if we lose some sales, the strong growth of Mac marketshare means we’ll be making tons of money, even without the people who need matte screens. Remember, Apple is in this to make money, and (Tim Cook explicitly stated that) Apple is not in business to please everyone. I think Apple’s bottom line sales profits will continue to be healthy even if we lose the matte screen community, such as graphics professionals. Because of the iPod, Apple has become such a strong contender in the youth market that we can therefore afford the slight loss of sales, even if we lose the graphics professional market.”
Let’s see what happens.
One of my co-workers has a glossy iMac in our office. The reflections from the glossy screen are terrible. I’m ready to buy an iMac for my home, but I’m waiting until there is a matte option.
I use a Mac Pro at work that has a matte-screen display. I expect it will be quite a while before I need replace the monitor. However, it will be my first non-Apple monitor unless there is a matte display from Apple by then.
I’ll cling to my late 2006 20-inch iMac till the return of the matte option. So far so good!
Mandatory glossy screens is the worst thing that happened to the Mac.
My eyes just cannot stand the glare when I look at the Macs in my local Apple authorized reseller. Requiring more brightness to offset the glare is not healthy for my precious eyes.
As an aspiring hobby layout designer, I agree to a great extent with the the professionals who state their reasons for hating glossy screens.
Apple, please promote healthy eyes!
See Jason O’Grady’s article today entitled, “Apple reconsidering anti-glare screen options; users rejoice”
http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-11408-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=66823&messageID=1264240
Jason’s article had an online poll, with these results so far:
Question: What type of display do you prefer in a notebook?
Matte 85%
Glossy 15%
Total Votes: 607
I tracked the progress of this polls from the time when there were just 348 votes, and even at that earlier stage with half the votes in, the results were still 85% matte/15% glossy.
I have been holding off upgrading my notebook systems in the hopes of a non-glossy, matte display from Apple, for over 7 months now. The 17″ MacBook Pro – the only model for which Apple offers the matte option – is overlarge for what I must carry between programs and in the field, and I’d love to get a couple 15″ (or 13″) Mac models for work, but the glossy screen is a dealbreaker. After seeing just how really lovely the matte-finished 17″ Apple MacBook Pro is, I really cannot justify purchasing a glossy 15″ or 13″ for the work I do, and will wait to upgrade until Apple provides the same treatment for the smaller MacBook Pro models.
I am an amateur photographer using Microsoft Windows as I am trying to learn about subtle Photoshop adjustments to improve my photos. I use a Samsung matte screen and I have a Spyder for colour calibration. I want my prints to be pretty close to what I see on my screen. As an amateur, I don’t need precise colour but I do want it to be pretty close and to look good. Some people I know are extolling the virtues of Macs and I have been considering a MacBook Pro, however, I absolutely would not trust the Mac’s glossy screen for what I am trying to do.
It seems to me that the Mac’s glossy screen makes the photo appear overly contrasty – and then, when you come to actually print the photo, you end up getting a dull flat print (because the photo paper is not as contrasty as the Mac’s glossy screen).
Also, if you Photoshop your photo to look good on a Mac glossy screen, it won’t look good if you send it to someone who views it with a regular matte screen.
I might end up getting the 17″ MacBook Pro with the matte screen eventually, or I might stick to my current system once I see what Microsoft’s new Windows 7 can do. I am reluctant to switch to a Mac when I don’t know whether matte screens will be available in future. Apple may have lost me as a potential almost certain customer because of their glossy screens.
I cannot believe that Apple went for glossy screens. Anyone who does real work on a portable, as opposed to just watching images, must feel the same way. The same goes for their desktop screens. I haven’t bought a Mac monitor since this glossy nonsense started.
I purchased a MacBook Pro in spring 2008, the last model with a matte screen. It will be my last Apple laptop if I can’t get one with a matte screen. Period. I’d rather buy another tower, a monitor (matte screen) and get what I need for work, photography and graphic design. I think the marketing department at Apple has been smoking crack or something considering the large user base of photographers and designers that Apple has catered to over the years. Stevie, have you forgotten about us?
Apple, give us the matte option. Enough with the “ooh, it’s so shiny” effect.
Matte screens used to be a key hardware advantage of Apple’s products over competitiors’. Of course we would not buy the competitors’ products because of their inferior operating system software (OS). Now that Apple has downgraded its hardware to glossy screens, the purchase of the next Mac may have to wait until Apple ups the standard again.
I actually bought a Unibody MacBook Pro 15″. I just hope for this to be my last ever glossy screen. It now has a anti-glare filter on it. But the result is not as good as a real matte display.
Hi,
i’m buying and recommending second hand matte display equipment since Apple “only” delivers glossy. I do not believe that “people love glossy”. I believe that people love to have the right of choice.
Hi, I would upgrade to a 15″ unibody MacBook Pro in a moment (and to the Cinema Display as well) but I absolutely don’t want or need a glossy display. The 17″ MacBook Pro model, with the ‘non-glare’ display, is not a viable option either (the 1920px-resolution makes everything too small for me).
I have been an enthusiastic customer since 1994, if Apple can reconsider and kindly offer a matte display for the 15″ MacBook Pro – I’ll be the first who will buy it!. Thanks and greetings from Switzerland!
My office has full sun all morning. On an original matte-screen G5 iMac, I already struggle with the reflections. A glossy screen would be impossible because there are bright surfaces all around me. There are no angles available that do not include bright surfaces. I have only seen the new glossy screens in store where the stores have diffuse lighting so there are no reflections, or the reflections made the screen hard to use.
My iMac really needs replacing, as does my laptop, but I cannot use a glossy screen, so these matte computers will have to last until the matte screen option is offered.
Same here. I have one of the last matte screen MacBook Pro’s. I’d normally upgrade to a new one this year but this one is staying until I can get one with a 15″ matte screen.
Apple, pay attention: No matte screen = No sale.
Please bring that Matt screen Apple. I’ve contemplated the purchase of another MacBook Pro but do not like or want the Glossy screen. It seems obvious to me that this option should be brought back on 15″ models and perhaps event he 13″ model.
I did not realize until yesterday that I could not get a 15″ MacBook Pro with a non-glare, matte screen. I went to the local Apple Store and checked out the difference, made the decision to get the anti-glare screen and now find out it is not even made for a 15″ Mac. I am an Apple fan and want to get a MacBook Pro but am reconsidering as I am not interested in trying to strain my eyes and see my reflection in the screen for the next few years. Apple, you need to reconsider this decision for your loyal Apple fans. That is what it is all about … retaining your loyal customers.
I am a photographer, and accurate colours are vital to my work. This simply cannot be achieved with a glossy display.
I have a stand alone-display for really accurate colour management, but I want to have a portable device that works good enough for quick changes in the field. A glossy display simply doesn’t work for me. If I cannot afford a 17″ MacBook Pro, or simply don’t find it worth the money, I’ll have no choice but to buy an older second-hand MacBook Pro with matte display.
Overall I find it idiotic to even offer glossy displays. Old TV sets have been matte since the very beginning, and that for a very good reason: you are supposed to see what the screen emits, not what it reflects. Glossy displays are for the many people that have forgotten this learning, and are fooled to believe that glossy displays “looks better” or something. The colours and contrast might be in a way that it looks more vivid. But it is not the correct colours.
Yep. I’ll keep my 17″ Apple matte LCD until it dies. A 21″+ Apple offering won’t be my next purchase until a true matte (not just anti-glare film) is brought back. Apple needs to realize that the creative community is what kept Apple afloat for so many years. It seems the iPod/iPhone has made them forget that.
Desperate need of a new laptop. I want a 15 inch MacBook Pro. Won’t buy until I can have matte version as all my office environments (3 of them) have a window behind them.
Come on Apple, sort your lives out.
I’ve been holding off buying a new Mac thanks to the glossy screen issue. I’m using an (by Apple’s standards) ancient G4 Powerbook and a Mac Pro with a *Dell* LCD display, which I use for developing video games. I’ve wanted to replace the Powerbook with a new unibody MacBook Pro, but I refuse to buy a machine with a glossy screen or a crappy integrated video chipset.
Apple, why are you producing machines which are broken by design?
My wife and I use an old 15″ Powerbook with a matte screen and have no problems with it. I support MacMatte on this one!
Was waiting in full anticipation for the new MacBook range, ready to order one with the no-doubt improved features, only to find out that the 15″ and 13″ MBP’s no longer have the matte option. Hence, no buy from me. Good news for Apple is that I have yet to decide which other notebook to buy. (oh yeah, I also was about to switch from Windows XP to OS X, but that has yet to happen because of the glossy MacBook Pro’s).
I have actually held off buying a unibody Mac because of the glossy screen, and have stuck with the last generation matte-screen Mac as a result. If aApple provides that option for the 15″, I will most definitely upgrade.
AK
I need the 15″ unibody MacBook Pro as a replacement for my aging 1.67MHz, G4 based 17″ matte Powerbook. I’ve been a constant Apple supporter since the PowerBook 180c, but can not use the glossy screen. And, the 17″ MacBook Pro is too large for my current needs.
Apple, are you listening?
I want a matte option on my next MacBook Pro! I’ve got a 15″ Rev A that I’ve been waiting to upgrade until I can get a matte option!
Software developers want matte screens; offering matte screens is a must. +1 for matte screens, including the Apple Cinema Display.
When considering the price of MacBook Pros, there’s simply no reason not to give customers a choice of matte screen. I’d also like to have Firewire 400 and Expresscard slots back. I’m not a soccer mom or a student. I’m a professional. That’s why I want to buy a professional laptop with professional I/O’s. I’m not looking to get dirt cheap prices, either. Good equipment costs money.
Look at what Lenovo has done with their higher-end ThinkPads and steal their ideas. I don’t care if Apple is the first to do something or not. I just want a well thought out laptop that runs OSX. Fair enough?
I can’t believe that glossy screens have taken over the whole MacBook Pro line. I can remotely understand the idea of having a glossy option for presentation purpose perhaps, but in order to do color correction for photography or film, matte has to be the standard. I now have a DELL screen attached to my Mac do all color correction. This is really annoying. Apple, please give professionals in the visual arts the option of a matte screen. It will be highly appreciated.
Thank you
Mark
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Designer
I like to use my laptop close by a window, or with lights on, even outside. These are things that are made impossible by the glossy screen. I want to get a new laptop but will not until I can get a 15″ matte MacBook Pro. I don’t want a big 17″ laptop. The 15″ size is perfect. I am hoping these rumors of the 15″ matte option returning to the MacBook Pros are true.
Does Jonathan Ive have a window office at Apple’s Cupertino campus? (Ive is chief designer at Apple).
Steve, please give Jonathan a window office. In view of Ive’s achievements in world design, he deserves it. Oh, and ensure Jonathan’s glossy iMac directly faces the bright window.
Then, finally, we’ll get action on these dreaded glossy screens, once Jonathan Ive has to use his glossy Mac every day facing a bright sunlit window.
We need a separate petition to get Apple’s management to give Jonathan Ive a window office.
In Steve Job’s case, he surely has a window office. We just need to get Steve to do more actual in-the-office, desk work, instead of going from one board meeting to another, walking around the Apple labs, and from one meeting to the next, then jetting off for strategic meetings at Pixar and Disney. Steve, you just need to actually sit still at an office desk for 8 hours, use your own glossy iMac, and use it right next to a sunlit, ceiling-to-floor-glass window. Then pronto we’ll get matte screens back.
Steve Jobs, I dare say, with your portfolio as a global CEO, you have never done a full day’s work – 8 hours – sitting rooted to one spot at a desk, directly facing a sunlit full, ceiling-to-floor glass window, using one of your glossy Mac creations. That’s not what CEO’s do. Please. Try it.
Otherwise – and I’m being serious here – if Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, Jonathan Ive and Phil Schiller – have never done this, then it is grossly inconsiderate what they have collectively done to us: removing the matte screen option, purely to achieve their (Jonathan Ive’s) vision of a beautifully stunning piece of artistic design – that is so out of touch with the practical needs of people who use Macs for real, daily work. It’s the computer industry’s version of top politicians who’ve totally lost touch with the people in the trenches.
No iMac for me until I can buy a matte display!
Apple should remember that the glossy/matte issue has been with us for a long time – it goes all the way back to the beginning of printing photographs on paper. There were always those who preferred photos printed on matte paper, as well as those (a majority, granted) who preferred glossy prints.
This glossy/matte issue will always be with us, since it is not a question of more/less advanced technology. It has to do with subjective use and preference. And the preference for matte is often (but not only) from the professional graphics crowd, a market which Apple claims to pursue.
There is really no excuse for Apple not to offer the matte option on all its computer screens, and charge extra if needed to justify the supplementary stocking costs.
Apple’s rigorous refusal to consider doing this is damaging its sales, reputation and image among the core customers that it should be trying to keep.
Luckily for me, there was a graphics card problem on my 2007 MacBook Pro, and there was only a matte finish screen to replace it. Hence, I ended up with a matte screen.
Many brightly lit or light color backgrounds were distracting with the glossy screen. I realize some people like glossy things, but not all glossy things are good for all applications. So, it would be wise for Apple to offer the matte screen finish for “all” Mac screens.
I emphatically prefer a matte screen.
Will not buy a new MacBook Pro until they’re matte.
I posted here before, but upon reflection (pun intended) I find that only a narcissist would want to spend their days staring at their own image superimposed on the external world represented by the content displayed on the glossy screen.
I’ve bought new MacBook Pros every 2 years or so, but will be holding onto my current Santa Rosa release until matte screens come back. As a web developer, I just can’t deal with the gorgeous but not true-representation colors.
Nor was I happy with the yellowish bottom part of the screen defect, which Apple has yet to acknowledge.
http://cantonbecker.com/yellowish-macbook-display/
Ready to buy two MacBook Pros – BUT NOT UNTIL I CAN GET A MATTE SCREEN!
I use my MacBook Pro in many locations where I cannot control the lighting. My matte screen works well, but a glossy screen would be terrible. Please offer matte screen options for MacBooks and MacBook Pros.
Dear Apple,
I have sensitive eyes and keep my 13″ iBook G4 on the second-lowest brightness setting (i.e., just one level above completely dark) as a result. If it gets much brighter than that, my eyes sting. I know I’m only one customer, but I’m ready to upgrade my computer – I need a bigger hard drive – and what’s holding me back is the glare on the glossy screens. In order to avoid that glare, I have to turn up my screen to a level that hurts my eyes. Apple, please offer a matte option soon so that those of us with sensitive eyes can enjoy our computers without straining our vision.
Thanks!
I’m an older guy and, side from my digital photography needs, my eyes just like matte screens much better in a variety of lighting conditions. I’ll do my best to hold out for a matte Apple laptop at my next purchase time.
What is wrong with Apple giving its customers what they want? The MacBooks must have the option of a matte screen and the iMacs would benefit from that option also.
There is absolutely no way I’m going to buy a Mac laptop until Apple re-introduces the matte display option.
Laptops are built for working outside. Yes, Apple’s LED-technology does offer more brightness, however, it’s not only that I won’t be able to work efficiently in outside conditions – it’s also that I really can’t stand watching my own mirrored picture all the time. The reflections drive me nuts.
I have had a chance to compare the matte and glossy screens – I’ve used the new glossy iMacs in our university.
I am a designer. My work depends on a decent screen, and I don’t care if those glossy screens are “great for watching DVDs”. I don’t care what some recently-evangelised ex-Windows user thinks about those supposedly “fancy” glossy displays and how “great” they look. And I don’t care at all if all you do on a $2500 machine is fooling around in iPhoto admiring these “gorgeous” colours.
Apple, a large chunk of your customer base are professional designers and creatives. I am one! I can’t work with glossy screens, I can’t depend on the glossy screen’s color range at all. Bring back matte displays or I won’t be in the market for a new Mac. I won’t buy a glossy screen under any circumstance. I will stick to my 2006, white, matte-screen iMac which is a gorgeous machine!
Apple, don’t think all the advertisements for those glossy screens will change my opinion about them. I know the facts, and apart from that, I work with advertising people as well. My mind functions differently. The more the advertisements try to tell me what’s good for me, the more I tend to question why they’re trying so hard to convince me. You know, it’s the same with those glossy screens. Please change that!
Apple, please provide an alternative to the glossy screen. I want to replace my 15″ MacBook Pro but want a matte screen.
The only thing stopping me from buying a MacBook Pro is that it has a glossy screen. As soon as Apple offers a matte screen (on the 15″ model) I’ll be buying one.
It’d also be appreciated if Apple can also get rid of the ugly two-tone, black-border look and just made it all silver.
There is absolutely no way I’m going to buy an iMac until Apple re-introduces the matte display option.
I have been waiting for Apple to bring back the matte display option before I will buy an iMac again.
I’ve been in the print/creative industry for 20 years – one industry that kept Apple on life support during the dark times. It’s fair to say over those 20 years Apple has made some odd and/or impractical hardware design decisions along the way. The advent of the glossy display across their product line, however, has to be one of the most ill conceived.
When it comes to stats, I’d definitely take any Apple PR spin regarding customer preference for glossy displays with a grain of salt. Apple doesn’t do focus groups. They do little in the way of market research. Jobs himself has said this. So I wouldn’t be surprised if the lack of choice in displays has contributed somewhere to a dip in sales – certainly in the creative industry. And really, for a debt free company with $30 Billion on tap, it’s puzzling why they haven’t continued to offer the choice. (Aside from their quest to appear ‘greener’).
I agree with the author’s comment (18 July, MacMatte) – certain people at Apple need to spend much longer working hours behind these glossy displays they’re peddling. Still, if the rumor going around that they’re considering offering further ‘anti-glare’ options turns out to be true, maybe they’ve done just that – and had a moment of clarity. Until then, we’ll continue to squeeze the life out of our current matte-screen Mac hardware.
Another vote for matte screens here!
Although the current glossy screens look fantastic and show bright, sharp and colourful images, they are just not so good for pro photographers like me who have to use the screens in the field.
Surely Apple could offer the LED technology with a matte or anti-glare finish as a Built-to-order option? I’d even be prepared to pay a little extra for that!!
Andy.
@cre8ive, I’ve been using Macs for over 15 years and educating folks about them for the last 10 at a very notable art and design school.
I can tell you, the vast majority of students coming in are Microsoft Windows users and we usually indoctrinate them into the Mac world. But they are smart kids and like to argue to keep using Windows.
We have a huge laptop program, with the vast majority of students being required to buy MacBook Pros. Several of Apple’s recent hardware changes detract from the platform as a professional tool – lack of a user-serviceable battery, loss of an Express card, Firewire on its way out … but the absence of a matte screen option is the most glaring for artists and designers.
I have actually been researching more PC options lately to prepare for what will be inevitable discussions on downgrading the Mac platform as the preferred one on campus. We can no longer argue that the Mac is a superior platform for artists and designers.
The Mac has plenty of advantages, but Apple is doing its best to level the playing field for Windows. I just looked at a Lenovo that has a built-in X-rite calibration tool as well as a built-in Wacom tablet and flip out 10″ screen for a dual display, overkill certainly. Yet Apple in their infinite wisdom shuns designers and dumbs down their device. They now truly do appeal to folks who buy based on looks.
Perhaps there is something to the new Windows “I’m a PC ads.” I’d love for John Hodgman’s character to ask the hipster Mac kid if he has an extra battery, a Firewire port and professional quality matte screen option.
@dean
You’re quite right – as an artistic tool, there’s not a lot in it these days. While the look and feel of different platforms does differ, the apps are essentially similar across both platforms. Apple do have the advantage in that the Mac OS is well entrenched in the creative industry. Still, over time, some of Apple’s hardware choices – like phasing out antiglare, matte displays – could work against that. Many of my own friends and colleagues in the ad/design industry feel Apple are simply too quick to dump/replace legacy hardware without any thought of the effect this has. While they appear to be behind the ‘pro’ market, the reality is that Apple’s decisions, like offering glossy-only screens, seem to say the opposite. Lets hope that changes.
BTW, I think the ad’s a great idea ☺
I bought an early 2008 MacBook Pro and love it, but want to upgrade to a Unibody at SOME point, but after using a few friend’s unibody’s outside, I will not buy a laptop with a glossy display, ever. Hopefully in 3 or 4 years Apple will add matte screens back to the lineup.
Please, Apple, we need Matte screens and also better contrast ratio and color calibration.
I think that glossy displays are nothing more than a passing fad. I can’t take them seriously.
The arguments for glossy displays (better contrast, vivid colors) are, in my opinion, flawed, because they only apply in ideal lighting conditions. You may be able to achieve ideal lighting conditions with a desktop computer, but never with a portable.
The Apple glossy display issue has caused me to postpone the purchase of a new Apple laptop several times in the past few years. I am actually considering getting a 13″ MacBook and using this service (http://techrestore.com/xcart/home.php?cat=430) to replace the screen, which will of course void the warranty. But it’s the only way I can think of for getting a new Apple portable anytime soon.
MacMatte Editors comment: the MacWorld review of the TechRetore feature is that it introduces minor damage to the structure of the lid of the notebook, however, such minor damage is very minor and hardly noticeable.
Please give the option of matte screens.
I’m a professional designer. I purchased a new 24″ gloss-screen Apple cinema display for work.
I hate it. I can’t do my work. I want to upgrade my home display from my 20″ display and the only reason I’m not it is because there is no matte option. APPLE: Offer me a matte display and you’ll have $900 more of my money.
Just to let folks know, the iMacs glass screen can be removed with a simple suction cup as it’s held in by magnets.
Below it is, A MATTE SCREEN!!
So what does this tell us? That Apple PURPOSELY wrapped their easy on the eyes matte screens with a shiny reflective screen to appeal to play upon people’s emotional buying with a “oh look, shiny” appearance.
The problem of course is functionality: glossy screens don’t cut it!!
It’s very unreasonable to ask the entire Mac computing public to adhere to new stringent placement, use and environmental changes (darkening rooms, painting walls a darker color, covering lights, etc.) to eliminate the reflections and glare from these new screens, just to temporarily boost sales. Because people will be getting turned off to computers if Apple keep doing what they are doing.
Now there are better grades of glass/material that can be used with anti-reflection properties. These materials give the same look as glass, the better color, sharpness and contrasts, but nearly no reflections and glare.
Anti-reflection glass is somewhat like a anti-glare film, it scatters the unwanted light reflected off of everything else and from original sources onto a highly reflective computer screen and thus into your eyes, causing eyestrain and headaches.
Anti-reflection glass is a process applied to the glass itself, not a heavy film, so it can be controlled to a finer process, resulting in just eliminating the reflections and not distorting the original computer image. Also anti-reflection glass works one way, not both ways like a matte screen or anti-glare film does, thus distorting the computer image.
With anti-reflective glass, one gets a much improved sharpness, color and contrast of these new “glossy” screens, even BETTER viewing of the computer image because there are no reflections and thus no glare entering your eye from other sources washing out the computer image.
One can get a cheap, glare-type, glossy Windows PC anywhere, but Apple could raise the bar and be the first to offer anti-reflective glass screens for the best possible viewing image.
I have not connections to TruVue or received any compensation, there are lots of other anti-reflective glass suppliers as well, but this site (http://www.tru-vue.com) offers an excellent example how well anti-reflective glass works, and it would only be (in my guess) an additional $60 cost for each machine. Apple might have decided to save that $60 and use a cheap glass with no anti-reflective properties, but what margin is that when people won’t buy reflective screens? Yea ZERO!
http://www.tru-vue.com/
I already get occasional headaches, since my life revolves around a computer (programmer for work, games and videos for play). From what I hear, the glossy screens will make things much worse. C’mon Apple, I was ready to give you cash for the SD slot MacBook Pro 13″ when it was announced a month ago – but this continued glossy screen stubbornness is turning me off greatly.
No matte, no money.
No money, no sales.
No sales, smaller market share.
Apple, why can’t insanely great mean Glossy and Matte screens?
I’m a huge advocate of matte screen notebooks and absolutely loathe glossy displays on a notebook. Apple needs to bring back the matte option on all notebooks *at the same price* as glossy. Charging $50 extra for matte notebooks is ludicrous!
More about it on my blog, The Apple Core.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple
- Jason
Hello Jason, thanks for your comment, and a really big thank you for mentioning this blog in your article today entitled, “Users petition Apple for anti-glare screens”.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=4420
regards
MacMatte
p/s the poll result at Jason’s article is as follows:
Question: What type of display do you prefer in a notebook?
Matte 83%
Glossy 17%
Total Votes: 1,033
Apple has long maintained that the internet is graphics. I am a photography hobbyist and would like to see the return of the matte finish screen. I have returned virtually all my sister-in-law’s wedding pictures due to image quality associated with more visual reproduction on the glossy screen. This has happened several other times, and I no longer use the glossy screen for film development. I have not had this issue with my matter screened computer.
I much prefer a matte screen to a glossy screen. I have an iMac with a matte screen and I’m hesitant to upgrade because their is no current matte option for any iMac or MacBook Pro (unless you count the 17″ model, which alone has the anti-glare option).
Please, Apple, at least give consumers the option to have a matte screen if they so choose.
Thanks
Greg
Any glossy screen is an absolute deal breaker.
Please please bring back the matte!
I represent and purchase Macs for 150+ faculty and staff in a public university in Nebraska. When it’s time to buy, I ask everyone for their preference matte/glossy, even though I know most won’t have a choice. A few don’t mind the glossy screens; but 90%+ would prefer a matte screen. 100% of my recent 17″ MacBook Pros are matte. I just had to return a 24″ iMac – the Art Historian couldn’t abide the gloss. She ended up with a Mac Mini and a matte Dell 2408WFP. Which profit margin would Apple prefer, that on a 24″ iMac or a Mac Mini?
Oh, did I mention that we’re an arts college? Working long hours with quality images is everything to our users. It’s easier to see the image on matte screens. Don’t tell me that glossy is better for video/movies; even the video folks hate the glossy. They want matte; I want matte. If I had to pay somewhat more to get it, I’d complain as vociferously about the upcharge as I do about glossy, but I’d pay.
I refer to David Bagby’s comment where 90% prefer matte screens.
In the review of online matte vs glossy polls
http://macmatte.wordpress.com/review-of-glossy-matte-poll-results/
there are a few polls were matte preference comes out at around 80-90%. Now, being conservative, I had assumed these polls were somewhat skewed, and had taken a view that matte preference was actually around 40%. Nevertheless, anecdotes such as by David Bagby might cause us to pay more attention to those 80-90% matte polls, without dismissing them out of hand.
Hi,
Just a quick note. A hi-gloss screen is fine (not outstanding) 90% of the time when I am inside in a relatively dark room, however, the glossy screen is all but unusable outside on a sunny day or in a bright room with sun or lights behind me.
Apple, just give me the matte option!
A friend of mine has a glossy screen iMac, after using it for an hour, I will never buy a glossy screen for myself – far too much strain on the eyes. If Apple really do listen to their customers, have a matte screen option. What’s the use of decreased production costs when you lose customers?
What I want to know is WHY won’t Apple use a non-reflective coating on their screens. Not that optional matte crap, but non-reflective like my glasses or the iSight camera lens in the top of the screen. It was used in the CRT screens in the past. Can anyone answer that?
A long time ago, non-reflective CRT flat-screens were in use by Apple. Sony Trinitron flat screens had them. But it was the glass, not the actual screens themselves, that had the coating. Because of that there was no double-reflections. The last CRT screens were on the eMac. Strange how short peoples memories are nowadays. I’m looking at my Mac Cube that came with a 17″ CRT non-reflective glass screen. It’s not as bright as my iMac but I can hardly see myself in it when it’s off.
I’ll be honest, matte is rubbish compared to non-reflective glass. My spectacles have a non-reflective coating on them and if you carefully look at the very top of your screens, you’ll notice a very small lens there: that’s a camera. Why does it have a blue or green or pink appearance to it? That color is due to the non-reflective coating that was applied to its lens.
You can rave on all you want about matte screen but if you don’t ask the right question you won’t get the right answer. Only 5 postings posted here have mentioned non-reflective, coated screens. Even the author make no educated comment. Just blurts out ‘MATTE’.
Player 16, thanks for educating me and all of us (except the educated five) on the viable alternative of glass screens with anti-reflective coating
Although such coatings on glass might appear to address the eye-strain issue, I wonder if even anti-reflective-coated glass would be agreeable to the photographers and graphic artists who require color-accuracy?
As stated, there is no choice. All lenses have anti-reflective coated surfaces, from telescopes to microscop