Note: petition’s goal is 10,000 signatures, so please add yours at the bottom of the webpage (iPad users, click comments button). Apple is aware of this petition because it is periodically emailed to Apple at each milestone-number (see Steve Jobs’ email below).
Total as of 19th January 2012: 1,977 petitions (To see full list, click “Older Comments”). The glossy-only iMac came out on August 7, 2007 – that’s 4 years 5+ months that Apple has refused to listen.
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Apple must offer the matte screen for iMac’s and all the MacBook/Pro models.
The matte screen issue will not die down even with the passing of time.
Because …
The glare from glossy screens causes eye strain for many people. The matte screen solves this eye health issue. This issue will not go away because whether or not a person is adversely affected by screen reflections is not a passing technological fad.
It’s not like Steve Jobs cutting the floppy disk from the first iMac in 1998, or cutting the DVD drive. Ten years on, no one cares anymore because diskette and optical disk technology will have come and gone. Even the Firewire 400 protests will subside eventually. In a decade’s time, no one will care about Firewire 400 if less and less peripherals use it.
The matte screen issue is different. It’s not a technology that comes and goes.
Rather, the matte issue has to do with the physiology of the human eye. Some people are more prone to eye-strain when starring for hours at reflective surfaces. Although other technologies come and go, people will continue to get eye strain from extended viewing of glossy surfaces. People’s eyes differ, therefore some people are not fussed by the reflections from gloss screens; but many others are.
This is why, even 10 years from now in 2019, the matte screen issue will still be there. Indeed, in 10 years time we may be coming to the realization of what a decade of daily staring at highly reflective screens has done to our eyes.
Apple’s reasons for cutting the matte screen are flawed:
Steve Jobs says most people prefer glossy, but a google search for “matte glossy polls MacBook” reveals that around 40% prefer matte. Sure, technically, that means “most” people do prefer glossy, but 40% of the Mac community is not to be ignored. Skeptics try to dismiss such poll results by rationalizing that the poll-questions are skewed, but the fact is this large 40%-ish result is roughly consistent across many online polls. (Click the link to see a review of poll results).
Phil Schiller, Apple’s Vice President of Marketing, says you can avoid gloss reflections by tilting the screen, but this is simply not true in 100% of cases, as attested to by the protests on numerous blogs.
Maybe Apple thinks it’ll sell more Macs because glossy computers attract people in showrooms. But there are many Mac users who will not, and cannot buy new Macs because they cannot tolerate the gross reflections from gloss screens (for example, see the numerous comments below from Mac users, like myself, who refuse to buy a Mac with a glossy screen).
Maybe Apple realises it is not profitable for it to offer two types of screens. Then, don’t just cut the matte screen. Instead, to cover the costs, charge people more for it as an added extra. People are willing to pay. Why only offer anti-glare on the 15 and 17 inch MacBook Pro’s? Extend it to the iMac and other MacBook and MacBook Pro models too. Even with the Mac Mini and Mac Pro, Apple users are forced to buy non-Apple screens if they want matte. Why?
Many people in the graphics industry and photographers need matte screens particularly for accurate color calibration, and I’ll leave them to add further comments below since I don’t have experience in that area. As for me, I’m a writer, and I stare at a screen usually 16 hours a day. I just cannot tolerate gloss screens. If Apple does not bring back the matte option, I’ll see how long my white iMac and MacBook Pro can last for.
I will not buy a new Mac with a gloss screen. Right now, even though I am ready to upgrade both my computers, I am forced to keep my matte iMac and matte MacBook Pros going as long as possible simply because of the lack of matte screens.
At most, it’ll have to be a new Mac Mini coupled to a Dell or other non-Apple matte screen.
For the record, for about a year, I have regularly been using a glossy iMac (black bevel model) when I visit my parents’ home. From that experience, I find that glossy screens are superb in those environments where reflections can be largely minimised, such as where the only window in the room is perpendicular to the iMac’s screen, however, at my own home and workplace, the room arrangements require the computer screen to directly face the open, sunny windows. In those instances, the reflections from the glossy screen are intolerable.
Hence, we’re not saying matte is always better than glossy. There are enough supporters of both such that neither can be said to be superior. Apple must recognize that too, and not side only with the glossy camp.
In addition to leaving comments below, please also give feedback to Apple directly on bringing back matte screens to all Macs.

Apple, please make everything available in matte.
I have double vision with depth perception issues – it makes working on glossy screens about impossible. I can’t remodel my house to make it – and I shouldn’t have to either.
My middle daughter also suffers from double vision with some significant tracking issues. She can’t work on a glassy screen. She needs one less thing to work at when using the computer.
So meanwhile …. we need a new computer to replace the eMac, and I’d rather buy an iMac over another Mac Mini, but not until there is matte.
We have valid reasons for NEEDING the matte screen. Apple, give us the option, please!
Just to add my vote for a matte screen iMac.
I work with a window behind my back and the sky completely washes out glossy screens (I’ve tried), so I’m still using an old early 2006 iMac, waiting for a matte screen to upgrade.
Today at the iPhone press conference, Steve said that Apple “wants to make all its users happy.” Great news! So let’s hope Apple wants to make us happy by adding a matte screen option for the new iMac that’s slated to come out soon.
Apple, please make matte displays on all computers, iPads, etc.
I cannot use a glossy screen for numerous reasons and will be forced to buy another non-Apple product if Apple continues to offer no choice.
The art should reflect my personality, not my image!
As everyone said: give us the right to choose matte or glossy.
In my thinking, the choice to build a glossy screen monitor would be like building a stereo system that included a non-stop buzzing sound that could not be removed.
But to build such a stereo-system with a built-in buzz, and then claim it’s the highest possible quality, is truly insane.
I spend all day long dodging the reflections and glare of the shiny screen iMac.
I suppose it would be possible to have my entire home redesigned to eliminate the windows opposite … but getting a matte screen monitor makes lots more sense.
WAKE UP Apple! Give us a matte screen please!!!
I’m going to need a new Mac when I graduate college in year, and while I’d like to get a Mac Pro so I can buy a third-party matte monitor, I may not be able to afford it. But what else can I do? The Mac Mini isn’t powerful enough for my needs, and the iMac has the intolerable glossy screen!
Please offer matte screens. Thank you!
Hewlett Packard – the printer company that bought Compaq and pioneered the return of these annoying glossy screens (they did a test with ordinary people who choose “shiny” over “dull matte” not understanding the ramifications) – has begun to produce matte screen computers again due to overwhelming demand.
HP and other PC makers churn out revisions to their hardware quite regularly to meet the needs of their customers. Apple, on the other hand, is slow to change, has a limited product line, and a “you take what we give you” sort of attitude that this 20 plus year Mac veteran is getting rather tired of dealing with. Apple think they are pioneers and cater well to the needs of their customers – but they really don’t. Their lack of hardware choices is appalling. I needed a netbook for small portable use and to double as a VOIP (I already have a 15″ matte MacBook Pro running 5 operating systems and don’t want to wear it out by it being on 24/7 and chained to my desk), so what did I get instead – a nearly useless, locked down, glossy screen, storage lacking, expensive iPad?.
Hence, I got a new HP Mini with a anti-glare/matte screen I (my first PC EVER!!). I got it to dual boot Ubuntu Linux, so the XP side runs the VOIP software and the Linux side is for occasional traveling, hostile networks and using as a safe operating system online like OS X is. You see Linux is clone of file permission based Unix, which is what OS X runs under the hood with a NextStep like graphical user interface. Ubuntu is better bought on a computer with it already installed – it comes with Firefox, Open Office and other free software is available, not a lot of good commercial software though, especially games. But for netbook use it’s great, secure and a heck of a lot less expensive and more versatile than a iPad. Files transfer easy with a USB key. Plus the matte screen doesn’t annoy your eyes. It has its own monitor stand and a REAL keyboard and it runs Flash unlike the iPad.
So this 20+year Mac veteran finally gave Apple the middle finger and jumped ship. It was because of Apple’s choice to inflict its long lasting customer base with eyestrain-causing glossy screens, and not providing enough alternatives once their own customers started complaining and asking for choice.
So Steve Jobs or whomever at Apple is reading this and can make a difference, start LISTENING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS and provide more choices in hardware. I understand you can’t meet everyone’s requests, but you should do a better job of listening when more than 50% of people polled ask for non-glare screen computers. Thank you and goodbye, perhaps I will come back to Apple. But since I realized my options are better served elsewhere, I might be better of without Apple.
What a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT. The new iMac was just introduced this morning, and still no matte screen option. Thanks for nothing, Apple.
New iMacs out today – no matte options. I work on a 2006 iMac 24″. I would like to upgrade to a newer 27″ model, but won’t because of the glossy screens. I work from home in a very sunny living room.
My alternatives are Mac Pro with matte third party screen. Too expensive. Mac mini with third party screen – sorta affordable option, but I’d rather have one-in-all solution.
So I keep using the 2006 white one. Lost sales, mr. Jobs.
I love my one year old MacBook … and it is far superior to my old Windows laptop in every beautiful way except for one thing … THE SCREEN! Trying to write essays without a very bright lamp next to it hurts my eyes. And I didn’t have this problem with my old laptop. Apple, please make it matte!
Thank you
Nell
Hi, I would like very much to upgrade from my 2005 14-inch, iBook G4, to a 13-inch MacBook Pro, but am forced to stick with my current machine until I can get the new computer I want WITH a matte screen. Sorry, I can’t deal with those glossy screens!
I bought a MacBook Pro last year when Apple rolled out the matte display option. However the new iMacs still have no MATTE screen option! I went to stores to look at the anti-glare films available and were terribly disappointed with the significantly deteriorated colors and display quality. How can Apple say that consumers simply love glossy screens!? Sure, many love them, but many also prefer Matte screens as well.
Ahhhh…NUTZ.
New 27″ iMacs, no matte screens. New 27″ Apple Cinema Displays, no matte screens.
That’s it, I give up!
Maybe we can also use this petition to trade recommendations on third-party extension monitors. Maybe Jobs will pay attention to the sound of the shifting consumer wind away from Apple.
Anyone out there got any ideas? I’m looking for a 24″ to 32″ LED LCD, high resolution, fast response time, and with a lot of port options (Macbook Pro hook-up, Blu-Ray/Netflix player hook-up, DirecTV satellite hook-up, etc.) – and would love a nice design aesthetic too. Was looking at Samsung’s LED LCD monitors, but so far they just have a 23″ model. If anyone has any recommendations, please reply to my post, or email me at digishaman@gmail.com – thanks!
Jack
I was so happy to read about the new iMacs coming to market today, not because I needed even more processing power than the previous series (which I did not buy), but because I just knew there would finally be a matte screen option this time. But again, my disappointment, after visiting the online Apple store, could not be bigger …
For years I have been using and promoting Apple computers (starting with the Mac Classic and up to now ending with a MacBook Pro from a few years back). They changed the way I did my work in the ICT business for many years, and more recently helped me get the most out of my photography business. It was love at first sight, and I will never look back…
But why does Apple make it so hard to spend my hard earned cash on new Mac models by not giving me the option to buy (not get, buy!) a matte screen option? For the first year in my career I am unable to buy a new Mac for myself and my family members because we just can not work with glare screens. The only option available is the 15 inch MacBook Pro which is a tempting machine but not the right Mac for the jobs we have at hand right now. The Mac Pro release is way overdue, the monitors that can be attached to the new Macs are all glossy as well (that is why I hold on to a 23 inch Cinema Display for as long as I can), and even the new iMacs are – in all their power and beauty – mirrors that make us sick…
Yes, I am suffering from heavy migraine, it made me lose almost everything I had in life, and the glare on all the new Apple products has a great negative impact on my eyes (and from there on my headaches). My wife and son have the same problem, although less obvious, and my daughter seems to be the only one who doesn’t mind the glare… so she is a happy cruiser on a new MacBook!
Please Apple, make me and my family members happy Mac cruisers again. Let us spend our cash like we always did (we don’t want to keep the money, it does not do the work for us like a Mac does). Give us an option to buy matte screens on our new iMacs and external monitors for the new Mac Pro (if it ever comes), and we will be buying, promoting and especially use Apple computers again for years to come!
Signed.
This isn’t so much a comment for the petition but a message to MacMatte. You can send these petitions to Apple, but obviously Apple doesn’t care about its user’s eyesight. Apple has gone through all the trouble of making a Magic Trackpad to give users multiple options when it comes to tactile interface, but when it comes to visual interface, Apple won’t give us any options. If the iPhone Antennagate press conference is any indication, however, Apple does care about the press. So send these petitions to the press. Macworld, Maclife, Ars Technica, Engadget, PC World, New York Times–so long as Steve Jobs is out there touting the claim that “everybody loves glossy” we need the media to report that NO, A LOT OF PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY HATE GLOSSY. It’s clear to me that the way to address this issue is no longer through an appeal to Apple.
I’ve emailed to most of the Mac media websites including most that you mentioned, but the feedback from Mac journalists is the feeling that the matte issue is a lost cause, and that most Mac users don’t care about matte screens. Other Mac journalists say we need far more petitions to attract Apple’s attention. Meanwhile, this petition blog is not going to disappear. Never give up was Winston Churchill’s motto, as well as mine.
I’m one of the many who was hoping so much to have the chance to buy an iMac matte.
I’m a little mad; I would like to know if a matte option would be so much expensive for Apple.
In the meanwhile I still keep on using my PC with a wonderful Eizo screen MATTE.
Apple please no more efforts to convince PC users to switch to Mac.
I’ve owned Macs since the beginning. Models such as the SE/30, IIci, IIfx, Cube, eMac, and Duo Core iMac (hell even a few NeXT’s as well).
Until Apple comes out with an iMac that has a non-glossy screen I will not upgrade – ever. If that means the end of a relationship that I’ve had with Apple for 25 years, so be it.
I paid extra for the matte option on my 17″ MacBook Pro in 2009, and was told I had received the only matte model remaining in the Apple Store I got it from. I work on text a lot, with a bright window behind me – I would not have purchased my computer if the matte option had not been available, and I will switch back to a Windows PC if it is not available when it is time to replace my computer.
A glossy screen not for photographers. Look to the stand-alone screens from LaCie or Eizo or other professional, high-end screens for color manegement. All are MATTE.
You don’t read on a glossy E-book, not done.
I really need a new Mac, but keep making do with my old one because I don’t want a glossy screen. My office gets tons of sunlight and I would not be able to work on a glossy screen due to the reflection. Please, Apple, offer a choice of matte or glossy!
I have been using Mac computers as a professional designer since 1985. I have been a strong supporter of Apple both in my numerous purchases and in strong verbal defense of the company through the good times and bad.
Abandoning the professional market, after the support they have shown, is a real slap in the face. I still use my old Cinema Display at home but have a newer iMac at work. The only solution I found – and it is a less than perfect one – is to add a plastic film to the front of my computer. I absolutely cannot work on glossy screens.
If Apple forces me to go to another company for my display, I may follow suit on the processor. Apple’s decision not to offer the option of a matte screen has made me so mad that I am considering abandoning a company that I have strongly supported for 25 years. For what it’s worth, I would guess that my support of Apple and recommendations to friends and family have resulted in upwards of $250,000 in sales. If a matte option does not materialize soon, I will no longer be able to support Apple products.
I’m a photographer and I’ve used both a matte screen and a glossy screen. My preference is always matte for two reasons:
1. It is much easier to match tones and colours for print purposes.
2. There are no annoying reflections which can interfere with the work process.
Why does Apple offer matte in the MacBook Pro lineup but not the iMac?
i want matte for photography!!! Tony
I’m a Graphic Designer and will only buy a matte screen for my workstation.
Apple, please give an option for a matte screen for every Mac. I’d like to update my old matte G5, but I’ll never get a glossy screen whose glare are impossible to work with! It’s too bad for the eyes, and cheap looking.
Ode to the July 2010 iMacs and Cinema Displays:
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Such beauty – power – style sublime
Yet glassy screens, make me blind
Alas, I cannot work for hours
OMG it’s full of stars!
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I’m lovin my Mid 2009 Matte Screen 15″ MacBook Pro. And I could spend $$$ more on other hardware. But glossy screens kill the deal. Corporations that get too big to listen to their customers, eventually get to small to have any customers. Apple?
C’mon Apple. How hard can it be to offer the option of a matte screen on the iMac? My old G5 is getting pretty long in the tooth and I’ll have to do something about it soon, but I still way prefer using it to my MacBook ‘cos that damn shiny screen is so annoying!
I’m a photographer rigging out a studio for a company. I have suggested Mac Pros and iMacs throughout the set-up. However, I had to order in NEC monitors for the Mac Pros to be able to do the colour corrections. Simply because Apple does not offer a monitor of professional calibre. A matte display is required.
On a personal note, I have an 20″ matte Cinema Display in my office. I was going to change to a 30″ for more real estate but it’s just a ‘tad’ big. I was holding out for these new displays. The 27″ size is excellent. But it’s Glossy. Now I’m waiting again.
G
Apple, I’m astounded matte isn’t an option for each and every one of your products, especially the new 27″ display and iMac. Matte screens are utterly essential for design work!
Believe me, I’ve tried working on Apple’s glossy screens, even when you’ve positioned it so there’s no distracting glare, it doesn’t take long for eye strain to kick in. I actually feel uncomfortable using the glossy screens, and that’s not an experience you should go through if your work means staring at a screen for most of the day.
As I type, I’m still using my 2007 c2d MacBook Pro, matte screen. If I decided to buy a new MacBook Pro, why should it cost an extra $150 for a matte screen? Unbelievable. The way things are going with Apple, I won’t be surprised if that matte option for the MacBook Pro disappears completely too.
Come on, Apple, think about the creative industry, where your products are so widely used! We need matte!
No matte screen is truly the most unprofessional, customers-careless, deaf attitude. Steve Jobs, get your shit together and give it a try. Shouldn’t be that hard, right?
The bottom line is, Steve Job is such an arrogant person that he does not listen to anyone. All designs and ideas have to come from his brain.
Apple – Please give users the option of matte screens!
Thank you
My eyes are so tweeked right now that I could hardly read this page. Please excuse any spelling errors; they are hard to see. This comes after only 2 hours on my MacBook. I am seriously concerned over this issue as I can not work on my glossy Mac computer as long as I need to for my job. I have spent these last two hours trying to locate and research ways to remove or eliminate the associated eye strain that I have been experiencing.
I have tilted the glossy screen – it doesn’t work! I have adjusted backlight, screen brightness, used 3rd party screen adjusters to change the screen look, and nothing works. I can only prolong things a bit, but there is no way I could work a full day on this glossy-screen computer. Zero chances of this!
Having used and worked behind Apple equipment for nearly 20 years, I am floored that I can only go 3-6 hours at best. This has only started after I got a glossy screened MacBook. Working in the motion picture and television industry, 6 hours into the day is lunch time and the day typically would end 8-10 hours after lunch. So based on the current situation, I’m lucky to make it through 30% of my work day before I am faced with red eyes, blurred vision and the likes.
I am now faced with the daunting task of being potentially forced to leave Apple and find a Microsoft Windows PC that I could use for work. The thought of this makes my stomach roll!!
Apple needs to get off their high horse and take a hard look at the facts. If they are putting out a product that is damaging others’ eyes, then what is the outcome going to be for them legally and what does it do to their customer base? Apple, it just doesn’t make sense to blind your users that want to buy your products. Users like myself are the ones that send many new customers to Apple. How can I do this without feeling like I am setting someone up for a health issue?
Apple, I will gladly pay a premium for the optional add-on for a Matte finished screen. I feel this is a small price to pay for my ability to see. If I had this option, I wouldn’t have to wait 2-3 hours for my eyes to get back to normal. I could see life outside and read manuals or documents once I get done working on my Apple.
I hope these comments from everyone don’t fall on deaf ears. Please, Apple, there is a problem here. We need your help!!
It beggars belief that Apple hasn’t introduced (or reintroduced) a matte screen option with the new range of iMacs.
My wife is a photographer and we have been waiting to buy her a new machine for a while. Needless to say, we won’t be buying a new iMac this time around, or next time, should Apple decide not to offer a matte screen option yet again.
Mr Jobs, your sales are suffering. Apple shareholders, you should be complaining.
Form over function has gone too far. Apple, please provide a matte screen desktop machine for those of us with older eyes.
Not unreasonable. Please don’t send this 31 year customer to the dark side.
I have been buying Apple Macintosh computers since 1994. At one point in my IT career, I was also responsible for purchasing a fleet of 500 Macs for a publishing corporation.
Then and now, I will only buy matte, anti-glare screens. This is due to a variety of reasons, but chiefly eye-strain, detailed professional work with voluminous photographs, color correction, and video.
Apple has lost the following sales from me in the recent couple years alone – 4 LCD monitors, iMac, MacBook Pro (pre-matte – I moved on to another brand before Apple caved on that and brought back matte to the 15″ and 17″ MacBook Pros).
In fact, due to Apple’s poor policy and decision in releasing only glossy iMacs and only glossy new 27″ displays, I have decided not to buy a higher end Mac Pro + display this year (mid-2010) either. I’ll get a less expensive MacBook Pro 13″ and connect it to a real professional LCD matte screen from another manufacturer. I’ll set the cost difference aside and wait Apple out until they offer a real pro screen. I’m joining the ranks of pissed off Apple loyalists who are ready to throw in the towel and/or go Hackintosh, just because we don’t see the point in remaining loyal to a a company that played Benedict Arnold with its true loyalist base- the creative professionals – and instead favored the consumertarded smart phone crazies who need the Apple status symbol so they can inefficiently text their Fakebook “friends.”
/RANT
My Apple pie is sour. I’m ready to go have my cake and eat it too like a rational professional, instead of obsessing over what looks like the end of Apple as a market leader for creative professionals.
I was about to buy a new top-spec 27″ iMac, when I realised that it only came with glossy screen. My job requires me to stare at a screen for at least 10 hours a day, and I would like to at least have a good time when I get home! Colleagues bring their glossy-screened MacBook Pros in from time to time, so I know what the screen looks like. I’m not having that!
I am happy that I still have my iBook G4 with matte screen so I can spend a few hours in front of the computer for homework and projects without getting my eyes tired. Now that I know I can only get a glossy screen if I want to get a MacBook, I won’t buy a Mac laptop.
I’ve used a 20 inch glossy iMac for a couple of years. I had an open mind about it when I bought it, but from my experience I would definitely buy a matte screen in the future. If I was given the option! The reflections can not be eliminated without painting your room black (we are advised to change the angle of the screen – please!!) I’m not doing serious design work at the moment, but I still find it a constant annoyance. For people working on colour-critical and detailed work, it must be a nightmare. Like many other loyal fans I have used Macs all my adult life, but Apple’s attitude to its customers does depress me. Come on Apple, stop your arrogance and listen to us, please!
This year I bought 5 Mac Minis with a matte NEC-Monitor instead of iMacs. If they where matte, I would have bought the iMacs.
I’m not replacing my old PowerPC Mac Mini with an iMac *because* it doesn’t come with a matte screen. I can’t afford both, so maybe I’ll end up with another Mac Mini (and keep on KVM-switching with the Dell matte screen.)
It should be simple. The choice of matte or glossy should be MY choice. To refuse me this choice is downright hostile on your part, Apple.
I was planning to jump from my Mac Mini to a 27 inch iMac, but not while there is no matte screen. I use a 24 inch Cinema Display with a matte screen facing my office window – a gloss screen is out of the question.
The only products I don’t buy from Apple are their monitors, simply because of the glossy screen. I don’t even consider the benefits of an Apple monitor because of the lack of matte option. My three Apple desktops, and even my MacBook, all feel kind of weird with Dell monitors hanging out their display ports. :/
The iMac is a PERFECT computer, except for the glossy screen. I would buy one in NO TIME if a matte screen was offered. Come on, Apple!
Dear Apple,
I have waited for nearly two years now hoping Apple would finally release the MacBook Pro 13″ with a matte screen.
I write on my MacBooks for several hours a day, and the glossy screens are just completely and utterly unbearable on the eyes, even without me having any prior eye problems.
I also need the mobility and portability, e.g. for conferences, where one cannot just rearrange the room and lighting. (And besides, I should not have to this with a professional machine.)
Your “tilt the screen or tilt your body” pseudo solution is a joke.
Do you guys even notice that you are losing any credibility with professional writers and designers because of those g*d d*amn glossy screens?
Yes I know your sales figures are just swell right now. But much of Apple’s hip appeal is due to the fact that your computers used to be the non plus ultra for creative trend setters (graphic designers, artists, writers, photographers, etc.).
Now, with the “glossy only” models (and many other ridiculous features such as the built-in, non-swappable batteries) your computers are currently becoming unusable for the professionals mentioned above. Good luck if you think you will survive the loss of what made your credibility for a long time.
If the next generation 13″ MacBook Pro will not come with a matte option, I will switch to another brand. (after 15 years of using Apple portables, and loving them).
Sad.
Apple, please offer matte screens, as the glass is not suited for many situations and people.
With my two kids now taking up the bigger rooms, my iMac is now in a small room with a huge window to the left of it. Due to the space constraints, this is by far the most efficient location for the computer. But I had to return the brand new iMac I bought. I had to get a second-hand white iMac instead, because, unless I want to work with closed curtains all day, I can’t hardly see anything on the silly ultra-glossy displays that those otherwise lovely new iMacs come with.
Apple, please give us a matte option! I’m not going to move just so I can buy a new iMac!
I was initially so excited about the new iMac update last week, but have been stopped dead in my tracks by the glossy screen; My wife has a glossy MacBook Pro and I’ve found it a pain to use because of the glossy screen. I’m now considering waiting for the Mac Pro and seeing what other manufacturers matte screen I can get for that. Very frustrating.
I’d love to upgrade from my old G4 Mac Mini which still serves me well (altho slowly). For the graphics and video work I do, the 27″ i7 iMac would be a total no-brainer, best-value choice — if it weren’t for the annoying glossy screen reflecting my surroundings.
I want to use my display for forward-thinking and progressive art and design, without the distraction of it being a rear-view mirror.
A matte screen option would have been ideal but, because of Apple’s industrial design I can see that is a difficult thing to add as an option.
WHAT IS NOT AS HARD AN OPTION TO ADD IS USING GLASS THAT’S COATED WITH ANTI-REFLECTIVE SURFACE TREATMENT SUCH AS THAT USED IN MUSEUM DISPLAYS. At least that will reduce the glare by over 90% and, with Apple’s formidable R&D, I’m sure it could also be made oleophobic as well, much like the LCD covers on the most recent DSLR cameras.
Get on it Apple! I think you’ve let fashion dictate form and function a little too much with these glossy screens. AR-treated glass could be a nice alternative we’d likely ALL like.
Either you do it (properly) – Or i will. ($$$$!
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I would upgrade to a new 27inch iMac in a heartbeat if there was the option of a non-glossy screen. However, I will be holding tight to my PowerMac G5 until Apple sees the light … and I don’t anymore!
Unless I work in the dark and wear black, the dazzling reflection in the glossy screen, of me and my surroundings, are not a functional environment for scientific and aesthetic image work. I strongly suggest offering the iMac 27 LED/LCD, and the newly announced Apple 27 Cinema LED/LCD display, with functional, anti-reflective options.
Treatments we have utilized in our own optical medical product designs include a multi-coating (like that on photographic lenses and high end eyewear) consisting of alternating layers of high and low refractive index coatings–hard, scratch resistant coatings. This alternating coating configuration, a standard practice in modern optics design, results in greatly reduced reflections on cameras and eyeglasses alike. For more contrasty light environments, a matte surfaced produced by a chemical etch means on the glass, such as hydrofluoric acid etching, would be effective.
I am presently working on an i7 MBP 17 with anti-reflective display (achieved by Apple’s omitting the outer glass layer), though I wish it had a scratch resistant glass outer surface with AR treatment.
“Shiny” makes raccoons happy, but not technical display users, including scientist-academics, photographers, cinematographers, videographers, and graphics designers–all historically core members of Apple’s high-end customers. Apple Inc., please support us with high performance anti-reflective display surfaces that match the rest of the quality experience that makes us Apple customers, and in my case, an Apple shareholder. Why leave the high end display business to the competition?
Thanks!
I bought a gorgeous 27″ i7 iMac but my wife won’t use it.
I’m mostly home at night, and the reflections on the screen aren’t too bad. But when I am home on the weekend, I have to close the blinds and, even then, the reflections are a major pain.
My wife uses the old pre-Intel iMac with matte screen because of the lack of glare.
I really can’t imagine watching movies or television shows on this 27 inch glossy screen – though that was part of the reason I bought it.
I need to upgrade my G5 iMac desktop. I’ve been a Mac user since 1994 and I’m a professional graphic designer and semi-professional photographer. I’ve researched the matte vs. glossy topic lately and visited my local Mac dealer to compare the 27″ iMac glossy display to my current matte screen. There is simply no comparison. The matte wins hands down regarding lack of reflection and the sheer ability to address critical color issues. I would buy a new system today if Apple wasn’t ignoring professional users. It’s disappointing and indicative of Apple’s recent arrogance and lack of concern for what its customers need. There’s nothing “cool” about ignoring the customer base that kept Apple profitable in pre-iPod days.
I am a photographer. I need a large matte display to connect to my MacBook Pro. I am sticking to my old 23″ Cinema Display because it has a matte screen. I just learned that the new 27″ iMac LED is glossy only, which I hate. I like the connectivity. Come on, Apple, surely providing the matte option for your displays is not that difficult!
I too HATE the glossy screens; they are distracting and you have to mess too much with getting a good viewing angle, and also – forget using them outside! I want Apple to offer matte screen options, and I am hesitating to get a new model because of this feature problem.
Penney Peirce
Apple, how are portables to be used in different settings if, because of the glossy screen, your restricting the settings and environments in which we wish to use our computers?
Hi Apple,
No matte screen, no sale.
Sorry, but I find the glossy screens that Apple is producing to be impractical for just about any environment. Apple, please give us an option for matte screens on all your products.
Thanks.
I’ve been a Mac user from day one, but the lack of an anti-glare, matte option on the new 24″ Cinema Display is driving me to other brand names (the HP LP2475w is a great choice, plus it allows you to connect to a DVI port).
Clearly there are two schools of thought regarding the glossy/matte screen, and Apple should give end-users the option to decide which to buy. If Apple can give us options on hard drive sizes and processor speeds, why not the screen finish?
Anyway I guess Apple will be losing another sale to one of its competitors.
I was waiting on the new iMac release, in part hoping that a matte screen would be an option. Since it is not, I think I’ll be holding onto my old matte-screen Mac for awhile.
Dear Apple,
I was excited about the new iMac update last week, but have been stopped dead in my tracks by the glossy screen
Being an engineer and photographer, and highly susceptible to reflections due to a vision deficiency, I will continue to use my 2006 (bought September of that year) pre-glossy screen iMac until you see the light and give us, the customers, a choice and introduce a matte option for the iMac.
Given the fact that you, Apple, provide choices for hard drives and processors, how hard is it to offer a matte screen option for the iMac?
Got my new 27″ quad-core iMac last week, and it is going to come down to trying to get a new desk for the office or just returning the computer to Apple due to the glare. Rearranging the office is not at all desirable functionally, and is asinine as a solution … Even if it improves the feng-shui.
Apple– Please provide an after-market, non-reflective glass option at around $200 for those of us that love the computer but hate looking in a mirror for 12 hours a day.
Today I found an older comparison of a glossy vs. matte MacBook Pro 17” on a german site.
Quite an eye opener:
http://www.zdnet.de/bildergalerien_macbook_pro_mit_matter_und_spiegelnder_displayoberflaeche_story-39002388-41502619-1.htm#g
It’s a no-brainer that all consumers love new, brightly colorful, shiny things. Which is just fine for short-lived affordable products like iPhones and iPods. But, for the real Apple junkies who actually plunk down our hard-earned cash for the high-priced ticket items (instead of just playing around with them at the Apple store), we aren’t buying into what the current trend is on the high-tech fashion runway.
Mr. Jobs, your computers have always been lovely to look at. Now, stop screwing around with all this trendy glossy-screen stuff and gives us matte displays that are lovely to work at as well. We are your true market. We will hold on to our matte screens until the very last pixel has died before having to be dragged into the PC world. Don’t let us down.
Now, I’m off to buy one of the last remaining 30″ matte Cinema Display because I have no idea when I’ll be able to purchase a matte screen monitor from Apple again.
Apple, please put matte on the iMac. I’ve been a customer since 1992, and will not upgrade until there is a matte option for either the Apple Cinema Display monitor or the iMac
I’m typing this on a matte screen 18.4″ SONY Vaio. Why? Because, much as I like Apple, you lost this sale because of your lack of a matte screen option. I am by profession a TV cameraman working on very high-end HD programs. ALL of our monitors (expensive HD) have matte screens. Doesn’t that tell you anything? Doh!
Best wishes – Mike
WE MUST HAZ MATT SCREENZ!
Our studio is surrounded on three sides by walls of 12 foot high windows. Glossy screens mean we’re starring at our own reflections in the screen, and we hate our own reflections.
So dearest lovely Apple – just offer the matte screen as an option – please? We’ll pay an extra $50 to $100 per machine. Honest Abe we will.
We complain because we love.
hugs,
Lael
Now that Apple is mainstream – and probably sells most machines to gamers, movie watchers and internet surfers who love that glossy screen – it seems like Apple have forgotten the artists that kept them alive for so many years.
Just today I walked into the Apple store with hopes that I could settle on buying a glossy display. I couldn’t do it. But it’s funny to mention that the display used for the Apple workshops is matte. I asked the Apple store worker why they don’t use a glossy display. The worker said they like the matte better.
German quality national newspaper F.A.Z has an article about the new iMacs. The article calls the glossy screens a fad that could even lead to headaches. Heck, the glossy screen issue is even in the title “Der iMac spiegelt sich in seinem Glanz”, http://www.faz.net/-01g8ev
Apple, check the circulation and reader demographics of this newspaper.
Apple,
I’m in the market for a go-anywhere laptop, and have had my eye on the 13″ MacBook Pro. It’s nearly ideal for my purposes, but what boggles my mind is that a matte screen option is not available for a product that is intended to be taken, “wherever.”
I find I can’t use my current laptop under many lighting conditions because of its glossy screen. It’s not a matter of eye strain for me – it’s a matter of not being able to see what’s on the screen. Adjusting my position to cope with lighting is, at best, annoying, and at worst, impossible.
Apple seems to market its products as user-friendly, and convenient. What’s user-friendly or convenient about a screen being annoying, and sometimes unusable in front of windows, or near lamps?
Apple, don’t you dare tell users, that want a screen that is convenient to look at, that “The Mac is designed to provide the best computer experience you can have.”
Petitioners,
I wonder if visiting the online Apple store, placing the item you want with a matte screen in your cart, and then, in all sincerity, asking customer service about how to add this option to your intended purchase would make a difference. Do you think thousands of sales-related customer service inquiries about the availability of a matte screen, resulting in a lost potential customer would hit home about lost sales?
I’m not suggesting a denial of service style attack, mind you; that would only discredit the proponents of this cause.
The glare from glossy screens causes eye strain for many people. The matte screen solves this eye health issue. This issue will not go away because whether or not a person is adversely affected by screen reflections is not a passing technological fad.
It’s not like Steve Jobs cutting the floppy disk from the first iMac in 1998. Ten years later, no one cares anymore because diskette technology has come and gone. Even the Firewire 400 protests will subside eventually. In a decade’s time, no one will care about Firewire 400 if less and less peripherals use it.
The matte screen issue is different. It’s not a technology that comes and goes.
MacMatte Editor’s Note: The above excerpts are copied from the main article, but it appears Lurevych Sergii wishes to emphasise those points. Thanks!
It’s more than one year that I’ve been waiting for a matte option on the iMac. I can pay 100-150 euro more for an iMac with a matte screen.
Apple, my eyes will never let me buy a glossy screen; it hurts my eyes. So my money is ready to be spent, please take it.
Apple, did you calculate that 1077 possible customers could pay at least 1000 euros per person per new computer; that means that you are losing more than 1,000,000 euros because of the lack of a matte screen.
Please listen your customers: GIVE US A MATTE OPTION
I recently purchased and then RETURNED a 15″ glossy screen MacBook Pro because the glossy screen reflections were to distracting and gave me headaches due to eye strain. The high resolution matte is not an option for me since the system fonts are too small and are difficult to view when using native resolution. Any other resolution is not sharp. Apple, please give us a matte option at the standard resolution. Otherwise I am stuck in the world of Microsoft Windows PCs.
Dan
Apple, keep it as simple as possible, but no simpler.
To drop matte displays is too simple.
Oversimplification is Apple’s weak spot just like over-complication is the weak spot of most alternative brands.
The cure is simple: Listen.
In the UK the DSE (Display Screen Equipment) regulations require surfaces to be non-reflective, and for glare to be minimised, including and especially on the screen. Therefore the Apple glossy screen is non-compliant. These regulations stem from an EU-wide directive (yes that’s 25 countries!) which has been in place since 1992!! Yes, Steve, have you even bothered to look across the pond? Technically these glossy screens are non-compliant.
Although I am an Apple fan, I am resisting the widespread use of these glossy screens in our offices, (of course the techies in IT just went out and got them!) since eyestrain is a frequent enough problem anyway for people starring all day at a screen.
The second failing is lack of screen height adjustment. This does not have to be built into the screen, because, tadaaahh! you can just put the screen on top of some cheap generic “screen raisers”. So no problem there, except that no-one want’s their space-age machine on grey plastic. So they basically end up with more eyestrain and neckstrain from bending down to look at the screen. Why Apple — which once had the ultimate screen height adjustor in the iMac G4 with the mobile arm (yes I’ve got one) — has regressed in this way I don’t know. Wise up Steve!
I refuse to use a glossy monitor, and even use my non-glare 21″ Samsung MATTE monitor in a darker room–I even find lighting behind this monitor offensive. Most of my work is text and monochrome graphics, and I have no use for colour except for some casual photography.
I really need to upgrade my older G5 PowerPC tower, and need to use some programs that are still only Windows-based, but the Mac Pro is too pricey. I also want a larger screen with more vertical height than 16:9 format. For both reasons, the 27″ intel Mac could be ideal. The iMac is more realistic in price.
But I will NEVER buy one with a glossy screen, and I’ve been eyeing them for quite a while, but every time I go into the show room, the glare turns me off. I am seriously considering returning to the WINDOWS world (ugh!)
Apple NEEDS to offer MATTE screens. If numbers make sense, they will satisfy 40% (almost HALF) of loyal Mac users, and increase their profits.
I am also sticking with my very old 12″ iMac G4 laptop (with non-glare screen) for now.
Apple — do the right thing: offer MATTE on all models!!!!
Cheers!
I want the matte screen to be the standard on all models – and make the gloss an option. The glare on the currnet iMac and MacBook Pro cause eyestrain and headaches for me.
Oh ghastly gloss!
I edit professional sound tracks on my new iMac. It’s detailed work, and the mirror glare wears me out. My thousand-pound machine obliges me to sit in the half dark, trying to concentrate on the image, not the glassy ghosts beyond.
This task was less tiring on the little old matte-screen PC.
Come on Apple, you have genius – don’t let Marketing run the show.
Howard Ellison, Devon UK
Apple, bring back the matte display. The glossy gives me headaches and bad vibes.
The claim that some people make about simply rearranging ones house, flat or room is pure menace. When buying an expensive computer, such as any Mac is, I for one don’t think it is fair to deem it necessary for the user to sit in complete darkness, since, in the daytime, no degree of moving around will counter the natural light from outside and the glare effect it has on the screen.
Apple has always been about aesthetics – and you do good work in that regard. Apple makes stuff that works – a plain and simple philosophy for which I applaud you.
Glossy screens, though, neglect the human physiology, upheaves the design and tramples on practicality.
I, for one, am not buying another Mac until this has been accepted by Apple. It is not some clever idea, like it was removing the floppy drive back then.
Daniel Smith
Denmark, Scandinavia
My matte screen iMac at work was recently replaced with a new glossy screen iMac. I noticed the (negative) differences after only a day.
The immediate concern was that I returned home with a headache and eye strain, something that has (and I do not exaggerate) NEVER happened to me during the 5 years of using a matte screen iMac at home and at work.
I work in graphic design, and the problems here are multiple. For example, when working on detail, such as complex paths etc, it is common practice to work at a zoom of x300. This means that the screen will often be practically filled with dark colour. When this happens, the reflections are so bad they often obscure the detail/tool I’m working on/with.
Further to this, the reflections make accurate colour management virtually impossible due to the reflections adding their own hue/tint to what is displayed on the monitor. Also – and I’m not sure if this is related – the lighting uniformity is pretty bad, and the colour saturation seems exaggerated – again, not good for graphic design.
Design aside, the glare really strains the eyes when viewing web pages such as this, with white text on dark background.
I’ve always been a huge Mac advocate, and it’s no secret that graphic designers, film editors and photographers are amongst Apple’s staunchest supporters/consumers. So it’s incredibly disappointing to see Apple turn their backs on us. Not everyone can afford a Mac Pro.
I have since swapped back to a matte-screen G5 at work, and told the manager to hold off on further Mac purchases to see if a matte option becomes available. I am also refraining from upgrading my personal iMac until a matte version is available. Sure, the performance otherwise is great and much faster, but it doesn’t make up for deteriorating eyesight or shoddy work results.
Please make a matte screen iMac option. Don’t let us down Apple!
Adam, London UK
No matte screen = no Apple Mac purchase.
What’s the problem, Mr .Jobs? Half the Apple users are happy with glossy screen, and half are not happy and don’t buy one. So work on it soon, and then “maybe” more Windows glossy users will go for the MATTE Apple too.
The Apple Flatte Matte
I refuse to buy a glossy Mac for the many reasons stated above including poor color accuracy as well as the glare from the screen which hurts my eyes.
Yes I am quite disappointed this matte option is not available. I bought a MacBook Pro with glossy screen, and I have found it quite irritating to the eye. Although colours appear deeper and fuller, I would still prefer a matte screen for my comfort. Isn’t that what Apple is about? Their brand value seems to imply luxury/comfort products.
I can not take the Mac’s glossy screens anymore! I hate to do it, but I may have to buy Lenovo. I will miss my Mac and Apple OSX. I still have my first Mac Classic II! Please add me to the petition.
The least I would like is an option for a matte display for the iMac. Working with the glossy display gives me a headache after about 2 hrs. I never had any trouble with the iMac G5 matte display (that computer is still working fine). I find myself sitting at my old beautiful matte iMac, wondering where the advantage of the new glossy display lies – I guess the glossy screen looks much nicer in the shop
I’ve just bought a non-Mac, hi-res monitor because it was matte, not glossy. Very happy with it.
Apple, please make matte options available on all monitors.
I am ready to buy a new computer. I had my heart set on an iMac, but I was dismayed to find that there was no matte screen option.
I had already compared matte screens to glossy at the Apple Store on the MacBook, and I was happy to discover that matte is still what I want.
Why in the world isn’t it an option on the iMac?
My sister has a late model glossy-screen iMac, and I have found I just can’t tolerate looking at the glossy screen for very long. Apple, please, please offer the matte screen as an option, and soon, or I will have to be spending my computer dollars on a competitors non-glossy monitor.
Mac devotee here since 1986.
I have planned on buying a new MacBook Pro and a large Apple monitor for the last 2 years … but I refuse to upgrade until Apple Displays are available in matte. Glossy is totally stopping me from buying more Apple equipment.
I now have to apologetically tell people – when encouraging switching to Mac – that Apple do not offer a matte screen any longer. Matte-finish used to be a way to separate cheap computers from good one. Now they’re all cheap. Cheap, cheap, cheap. Shiny, shiny, shiny. What are we, all crows who like shinny objects? A shiny Apple is one that needs to be cleaned to get the wax off it. A dull apple is meant for eating! I’d rather eat my big Mac than look at it.
I’m enjoying a beautiful crisp morning right now with a cup of coffee and my laptop. I have concluded this is my last day with my 13″ MacBook Pro. The glare from the glossy screen has always been an issue for me. The dysfunction of the laptop this morning, in outside light, is the final straw. It is too much of a struggle to see the text through the perfect reflection of my groggy face.
Apple is too bogged down by how much rubber needs to wrap an iPhone to give any attention to its legacy product lines. An online search reveals that people are paying $250 to have their glossy screens replaced with matte, but I think that money can be better spent. I will spend the afternoon selecting a smaller, lighter PC onto which I can install Ubuntu.
My old computer died. The MacBook Pro best matches all my needs. It definitely defeats all PC-laptops in every case – weight, battery, power, size, material. BUT I can’t work with that GROSS glossy DISPLAY. I work 14 hours per day with my laptop. So the only one reason why I must buy Dell is because the Dell E4310 comes with a MATTE screen.
So sad, Apple. I have no problem to pay extra money for a matte screen – but lets make it an option to choose the MATTE DISPLAY!
Amazon makes fun of the iPad’s glossy screen.
I bought a new iMac a few months ago. I love the machine and the form factor of it.
But the thing that ruins the whole experience, and the thing that would keep my from
buying another one, is the glossy screen.
I don’t have a problem with it during normal usage. But when I watch a movie or video-clips, I have to close the curtains and go “darkroom” to have an enjoyably experience.
Apple, please add the option for matte on the iMac so my next computer will be an iMac as well.
Thank You.
I would love an Apple representative to describe their logic of offering matte screens only on the 17 inch and 15 inch hi-res MacBook Pro – but not on the 13 inch and 15 inch standard resolution models.
Why not consistency across the MacBook Pro range?
Apple, this is ridiculous. Let’s start clean with the release of the 27″ Cinema Display, and by “clean” I mean matte.
I understand that glossy looks flashy, but some of us have work to do!
Why has Apple become so ignorant? Judging from people around me, and from comments on the web, there must be more than 30% who prefer a non-glossy, matte display. Many of them (including me) refuse to buy a new Mac until it’s available with a matte screen.
I will buy a new Mac Pro soon for non-professional use, and will need a new monitor as well.
Whether it is going to be the new 27″ LED Cinema Display from Apple or a Samsung depends entirely on one thing: Will the new 27″ LED Cinema Display be available with a matte screen?
Editor: I think it is only available in glossy
New Display – all glossy … what a shame.
I recently was thinking of buying a cinema display to hook up to my MacBook Pro. Then I noticed that the 27 inch iMac would allow me to use it as a display for my laptop. I was all ready to buy it, but there’s not matte option – for either of them.
I was pumped to buy a new iMac (my old one is a G5), but now I guess I’m just going to have to buy an alternate manufacturer’s matte LCD screen.
Won’t buy anything glossy. Period.
Please, for the love of Dog – ditch the glossy screen and give my eyes a break. I have to spend many hours in front of an iMac. Not only does the glossy screen cause eyestrain, I also find it difficult to cope with the headlights of oncoming traffic at night. Please please please return to matte.
Was about to buy a 27 inch iMac, went to the Apple store and my decision stalled only due to the glossy screen. I had to position my head to block out reflections. If only I had a rectangular 27 inch head or if Apple would just have a matte option available.
Editor: I’d be happy if Apple provided either option for Cos
Apple’s total disregard for professionals again! I work all day in front of my computer. The last thing I want to see is the lights in the room of it the light are out my own face.
It is very sad that Apple has chosen to ignore the people that kept it afloat during the hard times and has instead started to cater to the people who did nothing to support it before.
Denying loyal supporters a matte screen seems to me a cruel ungrateful move on the part of Jobs and Apple.
Trying to please PC owners to come to Apple at the expense of loyal supporters is a foolish move and will in the end backfire on Jobs and Apple.
I will not buy glossy now or ever.
Joe G.
Apple, please, give us back our matte iMacs and Cinema displays!
I am a graphic designer and have been happily using Macs for the past twenty years and am now in the market for a new computer. It grieves me that I’m considering another platform due to the unavailability of a matte screen on the newer Mac products. Apple, please have the matte screen as an option.
Thank you,
AT
The glossy screen issue has played a big part in my life for the past 2 years. I’ll explain:
Two years ago I purchased a 24″ iMac with a glossy display. After one year of solid, constant use, I had major eye issues. Now, at the time, there could have been a plethora of reasons for my eye problems (so they kept telling me …) anyway, I continued to use the iMac for a further year, but still the eye problems refused to go away.
After two years, I sold the iMac and rested my eyes for a full month to see if there were any result. Let’s put it this way, my eye problems have stopped. I now only use matte displays; I don’t use any device or equipment that has a glossy display.
These problems are real and they can cause severe eye pain, strain, and blurriness.
To think, I almost was going to get glasses (even though I don’t need them now).
Apple, please bring back the matte iMacs, and I will be a faithful customer once again … but until then …
The glossy screen is just a pretty face, I’m afraid. I mean, really beautiful, to be sure – all those saturated colors, and all. Trouble is, as has all too frequently been stated, those darned reflections of everything in the room you’re in and the problems “looking through” those reflections to focus on your work … for more than ten minutes that is.
Apple’s new 27″ display (same size as the 27″ iMac screen) is worse, if you will … since there is less “center” and more stuff to the right and left of center that gets completely obliterated by mirrored reflections. A matte 27″ Apple full featured display option would be great — and, I suppose it’s remotely possible that Apple will offer one in the future.
Similarly, I can hope that a 13″ Macbook Pro matte option becomes available. The trouble is, the more Apple promotes the IDEA that glossy is better, the less likely either the 13″ or 27″ options are to become available to consumers. Even offering a matte display as an option is a little like admitting that there just might be something not all that great about the glossy look. Admitting there’s an issue detracts from everyone’s enthusiasm, doesn’t it.
Don’t get me wrong. I like a pretty face as much as the next person. And the glossy screens sure are pretty. Trouble is, like pretty faces in real life, you can tire quickly of them when they’re just a pretty face, lacking substance … in the case of displays, lacking functionality.
Just my vote for matte options on both the 13″ Macbook Pro AND the NEW 27″ display … not that anyone at Apple is listening
I have always wanted a Mac! Will I ever get one? Only … if …. I can get a matte screen!!
I am tired of hearing that EVERYONE prefers glossy. How completely ridiculous to NOT have a choice.
This is not just a matter of aesthetics … it is actual a physical discomfort to those of us sensitive to GLARE!!
SO not just APPLE .. but every other manufacturer of any type of screen ……………LISTEN UP!!!
I considered purchasing a Mac glossy cinema display today to replace an older 20 inch Mac matte screen. My intent was to upgrade to a larger screen to use in editing images for fine art sales. But I walked out of the store without the larger Mac cinema display. In comparing colors of a photo between a 30 inch matte screen and a 27 inch glossy screen, the colors on the glossy screen were too saturated and unrealistic. No doubt, the resolution with the glossy screen is sharp, there is more apparent depth, and the colors pop – but the glare is distracting and the colors are not accurate.
Photographers need matte screens in order to produce accurate colors that will match print colors.
Apple, please offer a matte option for your screen and iMac products. You will see more sales if you do offer a matte option. Guaranteed!
I need to upgrade my old iMac, but I also don’t like the glossy screens – way to much reflection. What the hell were Apple thinking?
I am not thinking of a Mac Mini with a non-Mac display. Any advice?
A thousand-plus comments ahead of me have covered all the salient points. A matte screen is a vital component for proper graphic display, and to avoid eye strain while creating those graphics. Apple can’t keep creating faster, stronger and better iMacs and expect them to remain in the hands of gamers and idle consumers. As many a favourable Mac/Apple review site has commented, the latest i5 and i7 Core iMacs really blur the line at what is a “professional” Mac.
Apple, please offer a matte screen option. Thank you.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/14/sculley_it_was_a_big_mistake_i_was_ever_hired_as_apples_ceo.html
“Sculley, who is impressed with how Jobs “sticks to his same first principles years later,” shared 11 of those principles: beautiful design; customer experience; no focus groups; perfectionism; vision; minimalism; hire the best; sweat the details; keep it small; reject bad work; perfection and systems thinker.”
Comment: the glossy screen scores for the 1st principle – beautiful design, but fails a good percentage of users on the 2nd principle – user experience. Notice I did not say it fails ALL users, but a sizeable percentage.
MacMatte wrote: “Comment: the glossy screen scores for the 1st principle – beautiful design, but fails a good percentage of users on the 2nd principle – user experience. Notice I did not say it fails ALL users, but a sizeable percentage.”
Ask any eye doctor — the glossy screen also fails Steve’s VISION principle.
I am a fan of Apple products but I would never purchase one with a glossy screen.
Apple – matte option please. Glossy just spoils the view for me.
Apple is obviously pushing a glass surface for their devices because it is needed for the touch interface that is at the heart of iOS? Very likely their next desktop OS will offer extended touch interface features.
While innovation is exciting, if it comes at the cost of reduced usability and/or increased health risks, can it truthfully be considered innovation?
A highly reflective screen is a huge negative, any which way you look at it (pun intended). What makes the tiresome and irritating reflections worse, is the thickness of the glass required for large screens.
The image of the display and the image of the reflections are separated by a few millimetres, forcing the eye to involuntarily vacillate between the two different focus planes.
This is particularly a problem for imaging professionals who’s job it is to intently scrutinise images. While bright areas are not so much affected, dark shadow areas are a real problem.
True innovation would be a non-reflective glass-like surface that can also be strong enough to be used as a touch interface. Is it within Apple’s ability to create products with such a surface while still providing the ‘look’ that induces the masses to buy.
Please, Apple, gives us a non-reflective option, at least for the production desktop machines.
To witness so many people making constructive and well-reasoned pleas to Apple, over such a long period of time, and to still be utterly ignored, turns frustration into anger.
This is different to when Apple refused to supply a right-button mouse – I could buy a third party mouse and overcome Apple’s imperial stance. Likewise with their mini keyboard.
But with the mirror-like display, we are denied a choice, despite the obvious flaws visible to all reasonable people that have open eyes and minds.
Despite Steve Job’s brilliance, I’m hugely disappointed by his unimaginative insistence on a highly reflective interface in Apple’s current products.
Mac
While I agree with Mac (see his comment of October 19, 2010 at 1:27 am) and his interpretation of the intended push towards a touch-screen interface being behind the glass-covered construction, I read about what I consider to be a very important development in the context of the rollout of the new Macbook Air models (glossy displays, but at least not super-glossy behind a piece of glass, btw): Steve Jobs was explaining why the new MacBook Airs did not have a touch-screen interface. He specifically said something along the lines of ‘the reason they don’t have a touch-screen is that the ergonomics of a vertical touch-screen are terrible, and the multi-touch trackpad is much better’.
I think you have to be excited by that development, that there is a recognition at Apple (all the way at the top) that a touch-screen display is actually a poor interface. That leaves the glass-covered display as a kind of relic. I still gives a sort of aesthetic unity to several of their devices, but it now lacks any possible future functional purpose (and pleasingly, the new Airs don’t have it because it would be a waste in terms of added weight; now if they just made an 11-inch model with a matte panel, I might buy one). Now that the premise of function for that piece of glass is gone, hopefully form will eventually follow … and the remainder of their line of computers and displays will be available without a superfluous piece of glass covering the display panel.
Editor’s note: The above assume the only reason for the all-glossy iMac was a precursor to using the screen as a touch screen, however, I suspect it is solely to provide iMacs with a shiny look for marketing purposes, and nicer screen colors for the consumer market. If the latter is the main reason, then Jobs’s admissions will not, in itself, trigger the return of matte screens.
I like matte. When I have a choice, I only buy matte. I bought a glossy MacBook three years ago, and have never liked the glossy screen, which has only solidified my opinion. Highest priority is offering matte in 13″ and under MacBooks (especially Air & MacBook Pro), but I’d appreciate a matte option wherever possible (including iPad and iMac). In my opinion, the difference in quality between the MacBook Pro 17″ matte versus glossy, when visiting Apple Stores, has reached the joke level … I can’t imagine anyone looking carefully at these two machines head-to-head and preferring the glossy under those bright conditions. But your mileage may vary, so please, Apple, at least give us the option.
I’m fuming. My iMac G5 is dying. I need a new iMac. But I can’t work on those shitty glossy candy-screens. Apple, what’s wrong with you? Give us the option of a matte screen! Or are you just thinking about your profits and ignoring your loyal users. See how far that’ll get you … I’m getting really really tired of this, of waiting, and of Apple not giving a toss anymore. So much for a consumer friendly company…!
I love Apple products and it annoys me that I can’t buy their latest products because they have glossy screens. Any other company and I would ditch them for a competitor, but I really wish I COULD buy the Apple equivalent, which is a testament to how great I think Apple’s products are. It’s not that normal glossy screens are so intolerable that I can’t use them on their own, but Apple decides to add a layer of glass in front. I understand this is a choice Apple made and they have no obligation to offer matte screens if they don’t want to, but I would love to see every Apple product have the matte option.
While it is true that a glossy screen is a matte screen without the matte film applied at the factory, my issue is with the extra layer of glass that many Apple products carry. This adds substantial additional reflectivity that I’m sure Apple and their R&D must have noticed, but dismissed in the name of design or recyclability or streamlined product line or whatever, and I agree the iMacs are beautiful aesthetically.
I’ve actually taken the glass off the front of an iMac and been pleasantly surprised by the tolerable amount of glare in the glossy screen behind the glass. Similarly, I find the amount of glare in the white MacBook or the MacBook Air (which both lack the extra layer of glass) to be not my preference, but tolerable. I would even go as far as to say, if I was in the market for them, I would buy them (‘them’ = Apple products that do not have the extra layer of glass in front).
Incidentally, I own both an iPhone 4 and an iPad. Funny enough, the reflectivity of the iPhone 4 does not bother me despite using glass to cover the screen. So now I sound like a hypocrite. However, the glass in front of the iPad DOES bother me. I have to conclude that, at least for me, the glass becomes a bigger issue as the glass becomes bigger.
Now let me talk about my old CRT. I used to own a Sony Trinitron F500, a top of the line CRT in its time. CRT’s use a glass cover in front of them as well – why was I not bothered!? Well, to be honest, I WAS! But not too badly, and I believe the reason to be that Sony put an anti-glare coating on the glass. It subdued reflectivity very well, and I felt it did not sacrifice image quality much (if at all!).
Now, in some cases, you could add a matte film to a glossy screen and make it matte. This is not so in any product that has a glass covering, it sacrifices the image quality! On top of that, a normal person cannot apply a matte film as well and precisely as done at a factory.
So, Apple, I’m not saying you have to offer matte or I’ll throw a hissy fit. However, as a loyal user of your lovely products, I would really appreciate if you do something – even just a little, to address the extremely reflective surfaces of your larger screen products by either not using the glass in front, using a good factory applied method of subduing reflectivity, or best of all would be to offer your products in matte somehow. Surely it must be possible if your competitors are doing it too?
Please?
I’d really like to buy the new MacBook Air … but only with a matte screen!!!
I currently use one of the last generation matte Apple Cinema Displays. If I had to replace it, I would have to go with one of the Dell Ultrasharps that have a matte screen.
I have seen for myself the current Apple glossy displays, including that of the iMacs in a showroom. Really, they seem totally unusable for photo editing and graphics … a bit of a joke really – given that the actual quality of the Apple screen panels themselves have improved (with IPS) behind the glass LOL.
Even though I have one of the current MacBook Pros 13 inch, I wouldn’t trust or use its screen for critical photo work.
The choice of antiglare on the 15 inch and 17 inch MacBook Pros proves that Apple recognises that users need such a matte screen for critical and analytical work. We badly need the same choice for desktop screens.
Much prefer matte, but never had a glossy for a full day nor a week to really compare. I am used to matte. Customers such as myself should definitely have a choice between the two though! I would not buy a glossy … at least just yet.
I would love to buy a new iMac, but I have been holding back for 2 years because Apple continues to only offer them with glossy screens. I’m not going to spend the money without 100% satisfaction.
According to Apple reps, photographers purchase the iMac even though it has a glossy screen and can accurately color correct; but what they do not mention is the color shift when you are not viewing your screen dead on, and the obvious glare issue. I am a photographer and I will continue to hold off. I thought about investing in the Mac Pro but it is out of my price-range, and therefore not an option. After reading other comments on this petition, I may consider the Mac Mini with a Lacie or Eizo matte monitor.
In conclusion, I believe Apple is leading a sneaky campaign to push potential iMac buyers towards their more expensive Mac Pro model. If they had offered the iMac with an anti-glare/matte screen two years ago they would have had a satisfied customer looking towards investing in a new computer in 2012. For the meantime I will be running my MacBook Pro from 2006 into the ground.
My matte MacBook Pro died on me recently, and I’ve been looking into getting an iMac as a replacement. The 27″ iMac looks gorgeous, indeed, but even just trying it out in various stores gets me annoyed with the glossy screen.
I’m not against the use of glass; it’s good that Apple’s products are made from materials that can be recycled easily. But isn’t there a way of making non-glossy glass? If there isn’t, there simply should not be any glass. Form follows function. And the function of glossy screen surfaces is limited because of it being glossy.
Before Apple exploded into the media-centric company it is today, it was focussed on (creative) professionals, like myself. I feel they are ignoring us now, rather going for the much larger consumer market. That is understandable, albeit disappointing.
Indeed, like many people here have already said; at the least, Apple should give customers the option of purchasing an iMac/Cinema Display with a matte screen.
Apple, please give us back the matte screen!!
As a retoucher, I will not purchase a glossy Apple monitor. My 30 inch Apple Cinema Display is excellent and, of course, matte.
I will be purchasing a matte LaCie monitor next, if Apple insists on glossy. I would pay extra to Apple for a matte option.
I’m an amateur photographer and needed to replace my iMac G5 for an Intel Mac at the beginning of 2010. But instead of buying a new iMac, I went for a Mac Mini and a matte Eizo FlexScan SX2462W. A new iMac would have been better value and probably a bit faster, but the Mac Mini is fast enough (a lot faster than the G5) and whisper quiet. I can recommend the Mini+Eizo combo over a glossy iMac to any photographer.
I am a visual artist and want to buy a new iMac. However, the current iMac’s glossy display will not work in my environment due to too many reflections. This can’t be good for eye health. Apple, please consider giving us an anti-glare display option on the latest iMac.
But I want a matte screen …. it’s going to have to wait now. Sort it out, Apple.
Ditto.
I am keen to buy a 27″ iMac but am waiting until a matte version comes out. The day I buy a glossy screen is bound to be the day the matte one is released – and I don’t want to take that risk!
Apple gave a matte option to the MacBook Pro’s – recognising the issue and people’s preference for matte – so it only makes sense they do the same for the iMacs.
Come on, Apple, chop-chop, do your stuff and make us proud!
My dear old 24 inch matte iMac is now 4 years old. I’d like a new Mac but all I’ve done is visit Apple stores and look at 27 inch of gloss and can’t bring myself to do it. I am now considering whether to revert to a tower computer with another maker’s matte screen. What was Steve Jobs thinking!
I am still clinging to my 24″ white iMac with matte screen at home but its age is starting to show. I’ve been an Apple user and fan for a LOOONG time but I’m VERY heavily considering switching to a Windows PC.
Apple, how silly of you to lose core users because you’re too arrogant to provide an option for a matte screen. We’ll pay MORE for a matte screen option … just like on the MacBook Pro’s. You don’t want to make even MORE money? … weird. Last I checked it’s apple.com not apple.org … so I assume you like to make money.
The beginning of the new year is my cut-off. I really hope I can purchase a brand new MATTE 27″ iMac at that point and not a Windows PC … but I gotta do what I gotta do.
MAKE IT HAPPEN, APPLE!!!
I was preparing to replace my G5 iMac when I found this petition. I have postponed purchase for this long hoping the lovely matte screen that this G5 machine has would appear on the speedier Intels iMacs. I have sat in front of the 27″ mirrors of the new iMacs and wondered how people get used to the glare. I just checked the Apple website but alas the matte option is still not available. I, like so many others, would pay a premium for the matte option. Apple, please consider the matte option for the next models.
I recently bought a 13″ MacBook Pro with a glossy screen. IT IS FANTASTIC!!!
HOWEVER … I only use the glossy screen MacBook Pro for email, showing my work at meetings, and running around town with.
I do not use it for my work. I am a graphic designer and I am sticking to my 23″ matte Cinema Display for graphic design work. I do not want to look at myself while working.
I am, as many others in my place, DROOLING over the 27″ LED display of the latest iMac. But I am waiting,, and waiting,, and waiting,, and waiting. And I will wait because I have faith in Apple as they have “never” let me down in the 12 years that I have been a loyal customer. I have NEVER owned a Microsoft Windows machine … EVER!
One day my 23″ Cinema Display will start dying. I know this for a fact. And as a professional I will need to change it immediately. If Apple don’t have a matte display for sale, Eizo will have to do…
It will be a sad day for me…
Apple, you have always been about the graphics industry. Therefore, to bring out and stick with a glossy-only option on the iMac, goes against everything you have been about.
The glossy screens are no good for design work and cause far too much strain on the eyes. Thet are also very hard to calibrate, thus making them not viable for colour critical work.
They are all show, no go for us.
Apple, get real, get back to your core!
I had a G5 with a matte screen. I purchased a 15″ MacBook Pro which also came with a matte screen. I then upgraded to a 17″ MacBook Pro with a matte screen even though the anti-glare screen cost extra, because of the negative comments from users about the reflection and glare.
The negative comments were well-founded, as I discovered when I received the 24″ iMac that I ordered.
I used to recommend Apple computers to people. I shall no longer do so. I would encourage dissatisfied Apple customers in the U.S.A. to band together, find themselves a cranky lawyer and sue Apple for discrimination against the disabled or a minority. After all, people with eye problems constitute a minority group and are disabled, to a degree. Some might also want to sue Apple for damages for having damaged their eyesight. After all, according to some, glare, reflection and harsh light can cause or aggravate cataracts.
If Apple made a Macbook Pro 13 inch anti-glare model available now, I’d buy it today, and so would a lot of creative people, especially us musicians.
I’ve heard so many complaints about the glossy “mirror screen” from creative types over the years – they simply can’t use them.
I’ve been using my Powerbook G4 for years for music production – DJ’ing tool with Ableton Live 8. The Powerbook is still running – a true vintage reliable workhouse. I played at Glastonbury 2010 with a full band on an open stage and just about saw my matte screen with the sun behind me. Had it been a mirror glossy screen, it would have been impossible to perform.
My kit with my Mac for my band Swing Zazou:
Ableton Live
Novation Launchpad
Akai LPD25
Akai LPD8
Native Instruments Audio 2 DJ
At some live venues and night clubs, the stage lights are behind the stage – no good for mirror screen. I’ve seen DJ’s having really bad problems in clubs due to the mirror screen.
Mirror screens are simple not good for the creative nation that Apple use to cater for so well.
My ideal Laptop from Apple would be a MacBook Pro 13 INCH iCore7 hi-res anti-glare screen, with 4 USB ports, FW800 and two separate headphone jacks (for us DJ’s connecting to mixers in clubs)
This would be ideal for all creative people on the the move.
Come on Apple, get back to the MAC. LOL
Brighton England
No matte, no purchase. I am ready to buy but until Apple offers consumer a good choice, particular to DESIGNER/PHOTOGRAPHERS then no purchase.
Peter
I was about to get an iMac (in addition to everything Mac that I have), but the glossy screen is a deal breaker for me. Sorry Apple, you just lost me. Back to Windows PC.
I am one of the Mac users whose iMac G5 is almost at the end of its lifespan. When I look at the specs of the new iMacs, I am really looking forward to getting one … then the options reveal that there is: No matte! As if the matte option was too much to ask for!
I find this rather odd: HP decides to go glossy, then every other computer manufacturer does too, including Apple … Hmm, Apple, weren’t you always about thinking different?
Lastly: When introducing the “retina display” of the iPhone 4 (which I own and love), Steve Jobs said something along the lines of “The screen is the user’s window to the apps.” Exactly – users are not looking at the display (which is, thanks to glossiness, shiny and pretty) but they’re looking at whatever is being displayed! If you can’t see what’s being displayed due to external light – what’s the point of the display? I rest my case.
To summarize: No matte, no purchase.
Please, I love my Mac … it’s almost a cult thing here, however, as a photographer I can not look at a shiny screen all day, and it does not give me an accurate example of the photograph. I just updated my Mac Pro but now, for the first time in 15 years, I am looking outside of the Apple products for a screen. It’s breaking my heart! Apple, please offer us a matte screen.
I currently use a 24″ iMac and the glossy screen is really annoying.
Therefore I’m holding off on upgrading to a 27″ iMac pending the availability of a matte screen.
If nothing else, Apple should give OWC the specifications and let them farm out the production of a matte screen as an upgrade for iMac users.
I would have upgraded 2 years ago if Apple offered a matte screen. I am willing to pay more to have a matte screen. If Apple doesn’t care about their loyal customer base that helped them get where they are today, Apple ought to at least care about the bottom line – I would probably be ready for a second Mac computer by now. APPLE, YOU ARE LOSING MONEY BY NOT OFFERING A MATTE SCREEN!!!
If there were a matte screen option, I would have bought a new, top-specification iMac and a 13″ MacBook Pro. And I would have bought one per year because of tax reasons.
I am in favor of this matte option; I strongly dislike the glossy screen on my 2009 iMac and will probably switch to Microsoft Windows next time out, with regret, if matte isn’t offered on the lower-cost Apple models.
I have a 24″ white, matte-screen iMac, and would be upgrading to the new 27″ iMac this Christmas if not for the glossy screen. In a way I’m grateful to be saving some money.
I have never bought a glossy screen, and most likely never will. I’m OK paying extra for a matte screen, as I did on my son’s MacBook Pro.
If a matte iMac option remains unavailable for another year or two, I could see myself converting. Windows 7 is pretty decent, and PC video editing has gotten a little ahead of Final Cut, especially on Blu-ray support. Just sayin’.
My office is in a veranda. Therefore a matte screen is the only option especially in summer. Additionally, I want the monitor to be good looking from the back and white or gray to fit with my interior design. Apple make the only monitor which fits this description, except that it is glossy.
Apple’s competitors all have ugly products especially from the back. I thought about adding an anti glare film but apparently it degrades the colors and image quality when applied on a glass. I thought as well about removing the glass but it’s ugly and still glossy.
So no solution. Apple please make a matte option!
No ifs ands or buts … the anti-glare screen is a must for eye-strain management for those of us having to work with displays for long hours, not to mention the need for color accuracy and image detail. I am definitely delaying my equipment upgrade … and would love to not have to buy a non-Apple product.
I spent some time in the emergency room at the local hospital yesterday. The triage nurse was collecting information from patients using a laptop with an impressively large but very glossy screen. She kept making mistakes because she couldn’t read it clearly.
Mistakes in the ER can kill people. Mistakes in hospitals can kill people. I shudder when I hear about hospitals looking into adopting iPads as part of their computerization efforts. Technology with usability problems (like glossy screens) in that situation can be more than just an annoyance. Is Apple okay with that? Are Apple okay with the lawsuits that may eventually result?
Apple, give me matte, but not at a £150 premium. I just put off buying my new 27 inch iMac until there is a matte option.
I bought a glossy 24″ iMac in Honolulu … could not see the screen. I tried a coating, but still could not see it. I bought a used Intel Mac Pro and a new 23″ matte screen, sold the glossy iMac. If I had to do over again, I would get a Mac Mini with big RAM and a matte screen from (? Sony, HP). You cannot force a company to produce what you need, even if they would sell a lot of them.
Steve
Mac Pro with 23″ Apple Matte monitor
2X 15″ MacBook Pros with Matte Screens
Mac Mini connected to Sony Bravia TV (Matte, of course)
iPad with glossy-screen image issues
Originally when the 13″ glossy-screen aluminum MacBook Pro was announced I was thrilled by the new unibody design and the glass display. I also got a glossy-screen 24″ iMac as my desktop computer. However, after using them for several months I just cannot tolerate the added glare from the glossy screens. I had to sell both my 13″ MacBook Pro and the 24″ iMac because of the glass and the glossy display. Now I’m using the 15.4″ MacBook Pro with matte screen, but I really wish there were more matte screen options from Apple. (Perhaps a matte screen with non-reflective glass?)
I will not buy a new Mac with a gloss screen. Right now, even though I am ready to upgrade both my computers, I am forced to keep my matte iMac and matte MacBook Pros going as long as possible simply because of the lack of matte screens.
Apple, please bring back the matt screen option for all iMac and Macbook models or I will not be buying again.
I am just about to go for a $4000 iMac 27″ when the glossy screen came to my attention. My computer is located in a Lanai (sun room) with the windows at my back as I sit at the computer. I am an amateur photographer and I have heard great things about the Mac but can I deal with all the reflections? Help us Apple.
I am a professional graphic designer and I will not buy a Mac with a glossy screen.
No matte, no purchase. Health is first!
Lately I have been disappointed in Apple. It seems to me like they have decided to value AESTHETICS above UTILITY. The Mac community is a very large one and they need to respect the fact that this community needs OPTIONS. As someone who is heavily involved in a community of Mac users in the film production department, I can testify first hand that Apple is doing us a huge disservice by leaving out the option of matte screens.
Well, I had to bite a bullet. I bought a loaded 27″ i7 iMac to do my graphics work.
I like the machine, and the performance of the 27″ IPS LCD is really good – except for that damn glossy screen. There is just nowhere I can position it in my work environment where at least part of the display isn’t obscurred with a hard reflection of the background. It’s REALLY frustrating.
Although the matte surface of my older, smaller NEC display would occasionally cause some reflectance issues, at least it was much more subtle and diffused and didn’t require me to crane my neck around like a curious emu to compensate for the problem. With the old NEC, even the bright window behind me was not much of a bother.
I’m now thinking I may still have to find another $1500 to add a proper matte display to my setup, in which case I should have just bought a low end Mac Pro tower instead.
This big iMac is a pretty good machine but it has really been castrated for graphics work by that glossy display. Disappointing.
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I have a small design firm. I evaluate the iMac at least every year or so as an option to upgrade one or more of our machines. I have to say that the overall fit and finish of these is great, but every single time I look at the glossy screen I get a headache. The glare is absurd for an interface device meant for hours of continuous use. I know Apple is a champion of well-made and aesthetically pleasing consumer products, but the iMac is definitely an exception. I don’t care how pretty the iMac is when it is turned off if I cannot use it when it is turned on.
I just purchased a 27″ iMac as an upgrade to my 6 year-old Dual G5 with 20″ cinema display. I would have kept my G5, if it were not for the need to run on an Intel processor, as so much software does not run on Motorola processors these days.
Anyhow, the glossy screen on the iMac is just awful. I have tried every manner of adjustment, and I can’t make it work – my eyes are killing me. With matte screens, I can work at my computer (a PC with dual Dell LCD monitors) all day and never have an issue of any kind – aside from the fact that Windows is garbage.
The iMac is a tremendous disappointment, and as much as I’d love to keep it, it is going back to the Apple store for a refund.
As much as I hate to do it, I may just have to buy a friggin’ Windows PC so that I can have a usable matte display. What a let down.
As a Mac user of more than 30 years, I implore Apple to bring back the matte-screen option on all its machines. The glossy screens are impossibly distracting for anyone doing real work in all but the most ideal of circumstances. This is particularly true on the desktop models which often cannot be adjusted to prevent unwanted glare. I am desperately in need of a new Mac but will not purchase one with a glossy screen!
Apple is nearly finished in the “Pro” market anyway. They just discontinued the X-Server, their plans are to monopolize and incorporate iOS and a centralized Mac app store for all their hardware.
I have stopped recommending Mac’s for any professional use – Apple simply don’t care except if it’s the “consumer” market, and the consumer likes shiny things.
Ok, fine Apple, so be it. Go run off catering to the consumers and forget all about how we “Pro’s” kept you ALIVE for decades. Thanks a frigging lot.
Touchscreens are totally unproductive and lack the fine control a tiny point on a mouse pointer provides. Touchscreen keyboards lack tactile feedback and incur wrist strain “hovering” over the keys as one can’t place any weight on them without receiving unwanted input.
But you think the future is dabbing our fingers at the screen like some stupid imbecile, touching over and over to get it to work which half the time it doesn’t.
Look at all the future touch typists you are ruining with the iPad touchscreen keyboard!!
Now you are ruining another generation’s eyes with glossy screens?
Apple, all you want to do is stamp out some nearly 100% machine made hardware minus as many costly moving parts as necessary and charge a fortune for it. Damm the functionality, damn the users who have to sit for hours in front of your tedious hardware.
Your limited hardware choices are terrible, your only good point was the security of OS X and that’s rapidly disappearing in favor of Windows 7′s free system restore feature. (like Time Machine).
Apple, why should we tolerate your limited hardware choices any longer when we got tons of choices with Windows 7?
You don’t care, you never plan to care. It’s time us “Pro’s” ditch you forever like you want.
Apple has to provide matte-screen option for its 13″ MacBook Pro. The art and design profession needs matte-screens, and the 13″ is the only size some of us can afford.
I invite all frustrated OSX users to do what Apple forced me to do: Try out Windows 7 with a beautiful matte screen that does not stress my eyes unnecessarily. As a long-time Apple user, fond of the advantages of OSX, this was a difficult step to take; but not as difficult as being forced to stare at a mirror-like, glossy display for hours every day.
I’m finally rid of Apple’s tyranny. Try it. I trust you too will find it liberating.
Apple’s arrogance in denying their customers a choice of equipment, that does not negatively impact on their health, is unforgivable.
I’m involved in education. I no longer recommend Apple products – in fact I now actively advise against them.
Apple refuses to even acknowledge the well-founded pleas by a large number of long-time Mac OS users who put their health first and who refuse to purchase equipment that will harm their eyes.
Apple’s contempt for the legitimate concerns of imaging professionals, who daily have to spend hours scrutinising fine detail on their screen, is intolerable.
I will not bother to make any more contributions anywhere to try and reason with Apple. Apple has shown, over a long period of time, that not only do they not understand, but much worse – they do not care about the plight that their arrogance and ignorance imposes on so many of their customers.
I own a 27″ iMac that has a glossy screen, but find myself using my matte-screen MacBook Pro for everything other than the most CPU intensive tasks.
I do not like the glossy screen – the reflection is distracting. From this point forward, I plan on avoiding glossy screens. I hope Apple brings more symmetry to their product lines, like they already have with the 15″ and 17″ MacBook Pros.
I always buy the 17 MacBook Pro every 2 years with matte screen. Now I need two new 30″ (or larger) displays — and they must be matte! Apple, what on earth are you doing here, with this 27″ widescreen glossy nonsense!
The day Apple releases a matte version (i’ve seen the fix where you can remove the front magnetized screen but lose the Mac type finish) will be the day I buy the top end iMac. Until then it’s a Microsoft PC.
Three months on after buying a new iMac, I still loathe the glossy screen on my iMac. My daily sound-editing continues on an old, old PC (yes! horror!) because it has a matte screen so I don’t need to blank out windows and move lights. Come on Apple – be the best.
I work on a Mac every day being as a designer, but I own a Microsoft PC at home. The last Mac I owned personally was a Mac Plus in 1985 and now I would like to have another.
The iMac is perfect in every way for what I need, EXCEPT for that glossy screen. I tried to ignore it while using the machine at the Mac Store, but the glare gave me a headache. I put the brakes on my purchase when a Mac Genius (Genius, really?) rudely told that “everybody complains about this. Jobs won’t change it, so deal…”. If Steve Jobs is going to be so arrogant as to not listen to his users then my money will stay in the bank.
If Mac makes a NON-GLOSSY version, then I AM SOLD.
Dear Apple,
We love you, but you are going to lose a significant portion of the media/filmmaking/photography/design market — at least for monitors (and by extension, for iMacs) — unless you offer a matte option.
Sad to say, it’s happening already. A colleague in Boston who owns an up-and-coming media production company just plunked down close to $4K for a new MacPro. And he was about to buy a 27″ LED monitor when he decided to test it with a commercial he’d just shot … and he could not see half of it because of glare and reflections from the glossy screen. So, instead, he bought a Dell U2711 which comes with a matte screen.
I know, what is one sale? What’s $1K to a multi-billion dollar company like Apple? Well, one lost sale here, and another lost sale there, and they start to add up. And the irony is that the solution is so easy.
I’m a die-hard PC user – I built my own PC 8 years ago and, other than an occasional hardware upgrade or repair, it has served me well. I am in need of a new computer, though, and for over a year now have been researching and testing Macs in stores.
If I could get a matte screen iMac, I would have taken the plunge months ago. What’s my hangup? I’m prone to getting migraines. Killer, lay-you-out-on-your-back-for-24-hours variety. I’ve learned over a lifetime what triggers to avoid. My neurologist, whom I see 2 to 3 times a year, has advised against a glossy screen. (I was getting chronic bad headaches from use of a CRT monitor, once he urged me to get a matte LCD, when they were new & very costly, that pain immediately ceased.) I have a home office, spend a good portion of my day in front of the computer, and there is no way I could handle any of the gloss screens on Macs I’ve test driven. An Apple sales associate at an Apple store was kind enough to take me to a rear area, out of the glare of much of the lighting, and still my eyes were burning within a few minutes and felt a headache coming on, so I had to step away. I was so disheartened! Sure, I could hook up my current matte monitor and a Mac Mini but I need/want more power. A Mac Pro is far more than I need and is a budget buster. Though a MacBook Pro would be an option, it’s not my preferred choice, and is also more than I need to spend. I’ve read countless forum discussions on this matter and it most certainly appears there is a strong demand for Macs with matte screens. People are going so far as to remove the glass cover from their new iMac screens!
Apple, you’re an environmentally conscious company & I applaud that. Please, take the end-users’ health into consideration! I for one would be grateful!
I have an iMac A13011 running Windows 7 because I need to use specific design software. So far it is doing fine. But the iMac’s glossy screen has been giving me a headache. Walking by the glossy screen, the design looks slick, but using it is a pain. Style over substance! Apple, rethink it guys.
Tom
We have two iMacs – mine in the kitchen (beloved but aging 2006 white matte-screen 20″) and my husband’s (2009 glossy aluminium iMac) in his office.
With his glossy screen, he has to keep the shades down and lights off to use it, even though the window is BEHIND it. Generally, he just uses my matte iMac – which annoys me no end.
I would give up and buy myself a new iMac, but I’m not taking his glossy one, and not replacing mine until matte is once again an option on the iMac. (Unfortunately the Hi-Res 15″ MacBook Pro with “anti glare” is not an option for us.)
I really think it is telling that Apple uses the phrase “anti glare” – I just called it “matte.” By using the phrase “anti glare”, clearly Apple recognizes that GLARE is a problem.
I would buy two new iMacs in an instant if they were offered with matte screen option. It is so disappointing to be a veteran Apple customer and feel so frustrated. I have “converted” so many folks to Apple users over the last 20 years, that I’ve lost count. I stayed a loyal Apple user during the “darkest” times, and now find myself with the dilemma whether to move to no-Apple products on account of a very simple need: “a matte screen on the 21″ and 27″ iMacs to use in photography work. Can Apple please provide the matte screen option, even if it comes at a premium price?
Emilio
I’ve got an iMac and an iPad and have spent more time on the iPad since getting it for Christmas. I have noticed that my eyes tire very easily. I am not sure why, but from reading these posts, I probably need to turn down the brightness on the iPad. If there was a removable matte overlay that I could use when I am doing everything but watching a movie, I think it would be a big help.
I’m a PC person, but wanted to switch to the Mac. So in November 2009, I purchased a glossy-screen 27″ iMac with i7 processor. I loved everything about the computer – except the glossy screen. When placed next to my matte Dell display, even with the lights off in the room, it looked terrible. It just wasn’t worth the expense especially when I hated looking at it, so I returned it. Now it’s January 2011 and I’m still on my PC because there is no matte options for the iMac. However, if Apple were to come out with a matte screen 27″ iMac tomorrow I’d buy it as well as a 15″ matte-screen MacBook Pro. However, if Apple don’t make one, I’ll probably end up buying a new Dell. I’d love for Apple to have a computer sized between the Mac Pro and the Mac Mini so that we can use the display of our choice.
I have an intel iMac with glossy screen from 2008. Frankly, an excellent computer – only let down by the glossy screen’s frequent glare and reflectivity as apparent under different lighting conditions. I say “only”, but in fact it’s an ongoing problem.
My current laptop is a 12″ iBook with a matte screen, which fits my needs. However, it’s over 5 years old, and I really want another small portable (11.6″-13″ screen) to meet my future needs. Unfortunately, as Apple has nothing for me with a matte screen, I’m beginning to look at PC alternatives. I think my Macs are great computers, but I really need matte screens for extended periods of serious work, especially under differing lighting conditions. Sorry, but no matte screen option on the MacBook means no buying of any more Mac laptops from me in future.
Rob K Stefaniuk
I posted a comment back on August 3rd, opposed to the glossy screens. Since then I’ve succumbed to the need to purchase a new Mac, in spite of the glossy screen. Since I could not afford a new Mac Pro AND a large high-quality display, I grudgingly obtained a top-end, 27″ iMac in September with some of the optional upgrades. In terms of overall performance/$ of the new iMac, I was pleased with the Mac, and I set it up as best I could to avoid glare; darkening the room and everything.
Strangely(?), I generally avoid USING the new iMac! I still prefer to do most of my day-to-day work and image editing on a first-gen G4 Mac Mini attached to a good 19″ NEC matte display even though there is a large bright window behind me. The matte screen is just way more comfortable, even if the older Mac is way slower processing my images and can’t run the latest software.
In December I finally spent more time on the big glossy iMac. I wanted to try some demo software that needs to run on an Intel-based machine. I still spent fewer hours per day on the iMac than I normally do on my other (non-glare) machines and, overall, no more total daily time than I otherwise would at a computer. After a few days of testing demo software and doing some image-editing tests on the iMac, I ended up with sore eyes, blurry vision and even mild headaches.
I’m in my mid 40s and have not yet required any vision correction, although my ability to close-focus has been slowly declining over the past few years. Until now I’ve never had any issues with working on my computers using non-glare displays. I take regular and frequent vision-breaks to rest my eyes and avoid eyestrain whenever I’m using a computer for extended periods. However, the glossy screen on the iMac – possibly combined with the greater width as well as higher contrast – I am finding very uncomfortable to work with for more than an hour or so.
I like being able to look at my images on the large 27″ iMac’s display. I can see much more detail compared to having to scroll around the same image on my older Mac with a smaller display. Despite this, I find, as I expected, that actually WORKING on this glossy-screen machine for extended periods is very tiring to my eyes.
I performed a basic color calibration, just using the Systems Preferences, on the large iMac. This is what I do with all my systems and it’s generally adequate for my needs. I find that the iMac glossy screen’s appearance with respect to color and gamma seems to shift around more, whether that’s due to the level of stability of the backlight LEDs and-or the reflected ambient light. Either way this is another aspect that I find somewhat bothersome compared to my other non-Apple matte displays.
As for the glass on the iMac, it does appear have some sort of anti-reflective treatment on it. A plain piece of glass seems to reflect even more ambient light. But there’s also a bit of a “shimmer” effect from the iMac’s screen reflection – I’m not sure of the cause of that but it’s slightly distracting at times too, as are the particles of dust or something caught between the inside of the front glass and the actual display inside.
I would sure like this 2010 iMac a LOT more if it had a display that was as comfortable for longer term use as my older NEC and other non-reflective, matte displays. As it is, I now wish I would have purchased the Mac Pro tower and saved up for a large IPS display with anti-reflective surface from another manufacturer.
These glossy displays are OK for casual use, but they are not something some of us can live with on a regular basis.
For a machine that’s capable of doing higher end graphics work, we need Apple to actually produce it in a way that we CAN use it for that purpose.
rks
Agreed. I’m a owner of the 15″ (early 2008) MacBook Pro and have been looking for a new external display. Apple’s 27″ Cinema Display seems awesome, although the glossy screen is a killer. My girlfriend has the 21.4″ glossy-screen iMac and it is just unusable when your office has a window (and you enjoy sunlight) – unusable, as in … if you are coding or watching movies, you are mainly looking at your reflection and it causes headaches for a full day of work – even with 5 minute breaks ever 25 minutes (pomodoro technique).
I am a loyal Apple user and am currently using a matte, anti-glare 17″ MacBook Pro. I am highly interested in a smaller option (for instance a 13″ MacBook Pro or an 11″ or 13″ MacBook Air), but to me glossy screens are unacceptable. My wife and I were at an Apple Store yesterday and even in the controlled store environment with perfect lighting, working with the glossy screen is almost impossible for me. I had the opportunity to compare 15″ and 17″ models with matte and glossy displays side-by-side – the difference is astounding. I cannot understand how somebody can look at the two options and choose the glossy options. Like many commenters stated before me, I would be more than willing to pay extra for an anti-glare option (like I did for my 17″ and my wife’s 15″ MacBook Pro).
All the best,
Marc
I only buy Apple laptops … that have matte screens. To Apple, I have the check written with your name on it for $1000 to be deposited apon receipt of a 27″ matte Mac Cinema Display. Whenever you are ready…
I posted a few weeks ago, but felt the need to post again. I really want to switch to the Mac, but am in need of a new laptop. The MacBook Pro is perfect with it’s anti-glare screen, but if I buy that, I’d also like to have a home desktop Mac. For desktops, the iMac glossy screen obviously does not work, and the Mac Pro is out of my price range and just not really what I want. Since I cannot get a desktop Mac with matte screen, there is almost a definite chance that I’ll be sticking with Windows 7 for many years if I drop the ball on a new Sony or Dell anti-glare laptop.
Since this is a health issue, at least Apple should offer the option of matte screens. Please.
I am a working commercial photographer. We own 3 Macs in our studio and would happily purchase three more new iMac I7′s if they were available with a matte screen. Until then, Eizo gets our investment and we have less $$ for Apple products.
Heck, I even have trouble with glossy magazines, turning them every which way as you read down the page. My office is well endowed with windows looking out into sunlight on trees and meadows, and I do not wish to spend all my days in a darkened room. And needing to read reference materials and inspect various bits of metal.
I would have bought new computers from Apple for my small engineering design business two years ago if a matte option had been available. As it is, we struggle away on older matte-screen machines, but would really benefit from more graphics grunt.
My favored layout would be a 21″ iMac with a matching matte screen mounted directly above it and the menu bar between the two screens. Ergonomically beneficial and allows reference materials within easy reach on the desk.
For travel, which happens all the time, I would put these two into a suitcase as a portable work-station and use an iPad for work during travel. So this represents a lost sales opportunity for 2 iMacs, 1 desktop screen and an iPad.
It seems to me that Apple have become so marketing-orientated that the IIG factor (Isn’t It Gorgeous!!!) prevails over usability and the common sense of letting customers make their own choices. Whatever ever happened to the Jobs’ philosophy to make a computer useful as an appliance?
I personally have 2 external matte monitors. Actually, I could not consider buying an iMac, mainly because of these glossiness issues. Also, matting films are not an option because they just take light away, plus are hard enough to stick on without any bubbles.
Alex
I would like a new iMac with a matte screen. Come on Apple, do us all a favour and give us a choice: to matte or not, that is the question.
Apple, please just add an option on the online store for a matte screen just like you do with the 15 and 17 inch MacBook Pro’s. And sell just one iMac with an anti-glare option in stores! Anti-glare … It’s interesting because Apple don’t market their other MacBooks, iMacs, and Cinema Displays as glare models, do they? If a person had a disability that prevented them from using a glassy glossy screen, would they be able to force Apple to produce an anti-glare option. I know nothing about law, and may well have just made myself sound a little stupid, but I thought the comment was worth putting out there.
I have been extremely happy with my Powerbook G4 15″ for over five years, especially with its matte screen. I want to buy a new iMac with a 20+ inch monitor but the unavailability of the matte screen makes me hesitate.
I plan to buy new displays for the Mac environment at my office because the existing Cinema Displays are already several years old. If Cinema Displays were to be offered with a matte option (like the matte MacBook Pro I bought lately) I would buy those without any doubt. But I just cannot work with glossy screens in my office lightning environment and therefore I am forced to buy other ones (EIZO). I’m very sad about this.
Claus
Apple, please let us at least have the matte as an option. I know it is possible, as it is already an option on the MacBook Pro 15″ and 17″.
Rumors of a Gen2 iPad with “anti-reflective” screen. This could this be the start of something good?
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/30/ipad-2-screen-thinner-anti-reflective-1-2ghz-dual-core-cpu/
Bodie
I think the Kindle ad – that compared how easy it is to use the Kindle outdoors with how blindingly impossible it is to use the iPad – really had an impact on Apple. If only somebody would make an ad mocking the uselessness of the glass screen on the Macs, Apple might finally pay attention to this issue.
I was one of those PC users that wanted to move to an iMac this year for my family. But with no option for a matte screen … no way!!!!!!! What, look at myself in a mirror for hours on end? What a fricken joke!
Most PC’s and/or stationary desktops are by Microsoft Windows! You remember what a window is Mr. Jobs, right? Ya know, the kind you look out of and light streams into the room. Makes your iMac look like a mirror reflecting everything. Nice! NOT!
The Mac Mini is just that… a “mini”. It’s a joke! For over $700.00 with a display card like that … c’mon!
Not going to do it…
Disappointed and disgusted!
How can you work if you see your own reflection all the time in the screen??? I guess I will be going back in time and work in a photography darkroom … Apple is only concentrated on sales, and is neglecting professional users. I’m ready for a new brand (but not Microsoft Windows).
I hate glossy screens. I eagerly went to my local Best Buy store to look at the 27″ iMac and was deeply disappointed. I would have bought it then and there if it had a matte screen. I’d rather protect my eyes with a comfortable matte screen than have “perfect” black. Imagine how many more would embrace Apple Macs if matte screens were available. Bill Gates must be smiling …
I think all the replies seem to be from America [NOTE: See MacMatte editor's comment below]. I am from England and we have the same problem over here, not with just Apple. It seems every manufacturer is just not listenig to the public. A survey I saw recently showed 67% hated glossy screens, 16% liked them and 17% didn’t care one way or the other. That surely must tell them something. I wish I knew a way of convincing them. It’s just a pity we can’t boycott them all. I need a new notebook/netbook but I am finding it impossilbe to find one with a matte screen. I read all the info on one model and thought it sounded just right until I read a review and found that word “GLOSSY”.
MacMatte editor’s comment: Actually, the I.P. addresses of petition comments indicate that many come from all parts of the world.
I sent a periodic update to http://www.apple.com/feedback drawing Apple’s attention to the petitions on this site. This is done periodically, so you can be assured someone at Apple is aware of this petition site.
MacMatte editor
I’m a graphic designer, working off a G5 still. I would love to buy a new iMac, but the fact that there is no matte option available is the only thing holding me back from buying today.
Someone should just sue Apple. I had migraines for around 6 months, and went to countless doctors, before realizing it was the glossy screen. A few of my clients were luckier – they got ocular migraines the first day they had an iMac and were able to send them back to Apple, and downgrade to Mac Minis with non-Apple matte screens.
Hello. I’m Spanish and my English is limited. Sorry. [MacMatte editor: no problems, edited slightly]
I work as an IT technician, a computer music teacher, and also as a music composer. So I work many hours with a computer daily. In all cases I use matte screens – with one exception: my last MacBook Pro 15″ (2009), which I bought when Apple did not offer the option of a matte screen, and this is a problem for me. At home there is no problem – I use an external matte monitor – but for other activities the glossy screen is a problem, especially when I am in a live concert in a dark stage. So for my next portable computer I need a matte screen. Please, Apple, consider this petition.
Best regards.
Joaquín
Damn you Apple for forcing these “mirror” screens on us.
-Mac user since 1986…
Only reason for me not buying the iMac desktop is its glossy screen. It is that important to me. The day that a matte screen is offered without the glossy screen you will see a buyer purchasing two of them as soon as I can get my rear going to the Apple Store.
I am getting desperate in holding out for Apple to come out with a matte screen on the iMac or Cinema Display. The good working life of my old 20″ matte Cinema Display can’t be too far off. And if that day came tomorrow I’d have to buy some crappier and uglier brand of a matte display because I detest the glare and reflections endemic to glossy screens. Glossy is fine for an iPhone, but not for the screen I need to work at all day.
And, I want a “mightier” home computer, too. I think the iMacs are spectacular all-in-ones, and I’d gladly pay an extra $200 for a matte screen option on one.
Please, Apple, I’ve been your customer since 1984 and spent tens of thousands on your products. You gotta give me a decent matte screen option here, please — I’m begging you …
Dear Apple
Please give us an option for a matte screen. As a photographer I cannot work with an iMac as long as you don’t offer a matte version.
Cheers
Trenton
OK, I cannot understand Apple’s reluctance to offer professional users the alternative that they want – crazy business. I am a designer and photographer. I cannot stand the reflections from the glossy screens. I was at a colleague’s studio yesterday. He gave in and bought a 27″ glossy iMac. The colour and definition are magnificent, but the reflections are just unbearable. Even if you can mentally block out and look through the reflections, every time something moves in the reflection, your focus is distracted and reverts to the reflected “foreground”. I’d love a new LED display – I have two ageing 30″ Apple Cinema Displays, but as long as they are glossy, not gonna happen. C’mon Apple! You know it’s true. You even call the MacBook Pro matte screens “anti-glare”! How about an “anti-glare” iPad pro? Say 15″…?
It seems that seven months have passed since the latest post and yet matte screens are still nowhere to be found. I have waited four years to upgrade the computers in my office. I can no longer upgrade software without the Intel processors. And with a new hire on the horizon and only an ancient G4 gathering dust left for another staff member, I am forced to act. And that makes me very angry. My computer faces a south facing window – the reflections will be horrible and I work in graphics and photography. I started using Apple computers with the introduction of the LISA. Apple has really gone out of its way to ignore it most loyal customers – the artists, designers and photographers – who were Apple users before the first iPod. Glossy might look sexy, but it is horrible for getting any serious work done.
I just purchased a brand new 2.53GHz MacBook Pro i5 17″ (December 2010).
This laptop is almost UNUSABLE!!!! The reflections from the glossy screen just kill your eyes to the point of severe eye strain.
I bought a laptop for portability, so I can edit and check footage in the field. This TERRIBLE glossy screen renders my laptop useless in the field. As for indoors, maybe once the sun goes down it’s readable. Any ‘black’ on the screen during the day and I end up staring at myself in the f###ing monitor.
Apple, you are a joke.
# Waste Of $2,700
Apple, I would like to buy a matte screen iMac!
No matte screens, no 30” display, no Xserve – Apple is dropping out of the professional and enterprise game. I wouldn’t be surprised to see all Pro Apps gone and OS X Server dropped in the next few years. It’s all about the big bucks that consumers spend replacing their ipods and iphones ever year.
Apple, bring back matte, please
Apple, bring back the good old ways.
Alessandro in Berkeley.
Apple, please bring matt screen.
- from S.Korea ~
I am one of those people who experience eyestrain after looking at the glossy screens. I will not purchase a computer with a glossy screen & would rather use old technology if I cannot find a matte replacement. I am willing to pay MORE to have the option to have a matte screen that does not have reflections.
Apple: Please develop a matte option! Thanks!
I like the matte screens better. Just thought I would let you all know.
The majority of my screen viewing — laptop, iPod, netbook — is outdoors. Glossy screens are utterly worthless. So a matte screen surface is my #1 requirement when shopping for replacements/upgrades. Adding a matte screen protector degrades display quality substantially. Apple, a native matte screen would win some sales from me!
I have a matte screen on my 2006 iMac and it looks great. I have a glossy screen on the MacBook Pro I’m using now and even inside I can see my reflection as I’m typing. It’s distracting. Outdoors it’s even worse.
I am waiting for Apple to offer a matte screen for the iMac before upgrading. I’d also like to get one of the 11″ MacBook Airs but at this time are only available with glossy screens.
I agree. I have a MacBook. God knows why the screen is glossy.
I am a professor and work long hours on the computer. I have a MacBook and bought a glossy stand-alone 24″ monitor to improve visibility.
What a nightmare!! The glossy screen, which I never liked much, gave me insomnia …. now gone because I got rid of the glossy monitor.
I am now looking at Samsung monitors, but there is no way to tell … or at least, I cannot tell … whether or not the monitor is matte. Samsung told me that all their monitors are matte. Hmmmmm. Are Samsung onto the anti-glare revolt?
To the main point: Does anyone know of good matte screen stand alone monitors and/or does someone know how to tell whether or not the screen is matte without actually looking at it? Specs don’t say matte or glossy. Are resolution and contrast figures related to matte or glossy?
Thanks
Check out anandtech.com for comprehensive reviews of suitable monitors. That website recently posted
a review of the new 30 inch matte display from NEC. (There are also 27 inch and smaller options in the series).
If you look into monitors that are of a better quality, you will find some that have a matte screen. There is a type of monitor called IPS that is used more for graphic design. If you do a search on Amazon or Google under “IPS Monitor” you will see some choices. (Make sure that you see “IPS” somewhere in the title description.) Hewlett Packard and Viewsonic seem to be 2 brands that people like, and in the 21-23″ size range, the prices are under $300.
I just got one of these monitors after giving up on the iMac.
Antiglare screen and HDMI are a must. When?
Apple: Antiglare across the product line. Save our eyes, Apple, you can’t keep ignoring at least 35% of your users. After close to 5 years since the last iMac with matte screen – and still people are protesting, still the polls are high, still people want matte screens. After so much time you would think, if the glossy glass were a good option, then people wouldn’t mind by now, but every day you hear that they do mind.
APPLE, MAKE IT HAPPEN! COME ON GUYS!
(and as an aside joke, if Apple names one option as “anti-glare” (the matte option), what does that make the other glass option then? One would say the other option, than anti glare, is, well, GLARE).
This is insane. People are crying for matte screens and yet both Apple and the PC industry only produce crap glossy screens. I find it mind-blowing that the market power of idiots is so strong that matte screens have been eliminated altogether. Remember that before 2005, ALL screens were matte. How can science regarding eye-strain and usability be completely ignored??
I own the last generation iMac available with matte screen and absolutely love it. At work I have a brand new 24 inch iMac with gloss screen – as soon as the sun start going around the corner of the building I can see almost everything behind me (even with the blinds fully closed). I have found this to be very annoying and unprofesionnal. I work in engineering with 3D models with complex surface which requires me to have very clear cut view of the shapes. That absolutely cannot be done if some light comes into the room.
I am sad to say so, but I WILL NOT BUY another Apple computer until an appropriate matte screen solution is offered. A third party “patch” will just not cut it. It is not the professional respect I am used to coming from Apple, especially in the iMac line.
A deceived iMac owner that will not work in a dark photo room just for an Apple computer.
Not to long ago I bought a Mac Mini and a 30-inch Dell screen because I didn’t want an 27 inch glossy iMac! Now I want to get two laptops – one for me (15inch) and one for my girl (13inch).
On the tricked-out MacBook Pro 15 inch, I can pay extra for the anti-glare, matte option – which is kind of crazy. One should be able to choose the anti-glare option without having to pay extra.
I’m not talking about an increase of resolution – paying extra for that option is ok.
But nevertheless at least I can pay to save myself from straining eyes. (150 Euro extra).
Apple, why not give me the option on the more portable 13 inch model ??
I am willing to pay for it. So what’s the problem, I ask you, APPLE ??
Apple is profiling itself as a company that makes products that fit our needs, products that change to suit our needs. We don’t have to change to suit the product!
So again, Apple, where lies the problem, I ask you?
For now I am holding on buying an iMac for the living room and two MacBook Pro’s.
Because I think Apple is only focusing on the iPad and iPhone and do not seem to care about customers buying anything else from them ?!!
I need to purchase a display for my MacBook Air, and would love an Apple Cinema Display but will not purchase it due to glare from the glossy screen. Eye strain is too much.
I was eagerly looking forward to buying the next iMac which is rumored to be coming out in April or May of 2011, however, today I tested a glossy screen MacBook Pro in the room where I was planning to use the iMac. The glare from the glossy screen made it a miserable experience. I live in a sunny state and have no access to a basement office. Apple, please offer a matte option on the iMac. I’ve used Macs for years and would like to continue doing so, but there is no way I will buy a glossy screen.
I am waiting to buy a new iMac with the new release in April or May 2011, but I will only buy it if the matte screen is available. I do a lot of photo work in a room with some windows that cannot be covered. I currently have a matte screen on my NEC monitor and do not wish to switch to a glossy screen with the reflection problems.
I’m a freelance designer struggling on with a 5-year old, pre-Intel G5 Mac Pro. I’m keen to upgrade as I’m unable to run the latest software, and that’s soon going to become a major problem. But the MacPro has become more powerful than I need and more expensive than I can really afford, and I’m in no doubt that a glossy iMac would be a disaster in my bright south-facing office (at times there’s almost too much glare for my terrific old matte Apple Cinema Display).
Like everyone else here, I’m bewildered by Apple’s lack of choice, and depressed that Apple has not just ignored the pleading of so many loyal Apple users for the reintroduction of a matte screen, or for a choice – but that it continues to disregard countless objections while happily and obliviously promoting one new release after another. Sadly, it seems that Apple is less concerned with pleasing its consumers than it is with pursuing its own self-aggrandising aims.
I was a long-time happy Apple user, but now I feel trapped, and I’m even giving some thought to a career change in order not to be beholden to them any longer.
Thank you macmatte for all you’re doing to try to get Apple to listen. I wish you every success.
My company was looking for a replacement to the sadly discontinued Apple 30″ Cinema Display. The Apple 27″ was being considered until we actually sat in front of this reflection monster. Even taking off the glass cover was not a solution as the display itself is also very reflective. We would have purchased hundreds of the 27″ monitors if not for the glass. Please, Apple, don’t forget about enterprise customers group completely.
I’ve been hanging on to my 24 inch matte iMac with matte screen from 2007. I’ve wanted a new one for the past two years but just can’t take the glarish glossy screens that are currently on all of the new iMacs. I really hope the update that should be coming out in the next month or so includes a matte option. If it includes a matte screen I’ll be placing my order the day the new iMacs are announced. Otherwise will stick it out another year on my ageing matte iMac.
I agree with Tony’s comment March 29, 2011 at 1:07 pm
So I’ve paid extra for a matte-screen MacBook Pro because it’s for work, not movies, and I cannot purchase a matte screen to complement the display from the same manufacturer – Apple, what gives?
I’ve waited years in hope that the Apple 30″ Cinema Display would drop in price, and now I’m in a situation were my only option is A LARGE MIRROR … I’ve read all reviews and made frequent stops to Apple stores and still decided that glossy screens just aren’t better than matte. Reasons are countless and many people have pointed them out on this website and everywhere else on the web, so there’s no need for a list of negatives. I work 8 hour days (5 times a week) as a UI Artist in the game industry, get home and still sit and stare at a (matte) screen and I don’t get any eye strain whatsoever. With glossy screens, on the other hand, I have to worry about being in the right lighting conditions, buy additional screen calibrator, cleaning product etc. all for the sake of good looks. My point is, the professional user ends up suffering for the sake of selling these mirrors to the masses (those who think shinny is better) It’s a shame that Apple once catered to the graphic artist … What ever happened to “think different”? I still have hope this will change, I don’t care if Apple decides to follow the ‘shiny is better’ trend, just give us the professionals the option for matte.
Apple, please bring back the matte-antiglare displays!
I, too, cannot deal with the glossy screen due to glare and eyestrain. I’m a photographer who spends many hours in front of my display. The glossy display is intolerable for my work. Thank goodness I still have an older matte display from the days gone by, but I fear its days are numbered. I’m more than willing to pay a “premium” for my matte screen!
Thank you for listening to those of us that are die-hard matte display fans.
I’m a web and iOS designer/developer, and I love Apple products. I was this close to buying the 27″ Cinema Display, but I just can’t bring myself to do it because of the glossy screen.
I’ve gotten used to it over the years, but I really would prefer having the option to get a matte.
Please Apple, listen to your fans. We just want the option. Thanks.
-scott
I don’t really understand why Apple doesn’t give a matte option; everyone would pay the extra cost for it. I want to switch to Mac but I’ll never do it until there is a matte screen.
I’m a hardware designer, and I keep using Macs. Now I have 2 MacBook Pros (each about 3 years old) that I cannot change because Steve Jobs knows what is good for me … but I disagree.
There is simply no choice like in the good old days of East Germany where you could buy a Trabant or a Trabant.
The new MacBooks (unibody) seem to be fantastic and I wouldn’t hesitate for an upgrade – if there were matte displays.
By the way, in my office, same problem. I cannot buy Mac glossy displays, so I have bought 5 Samsung Syncmaster 305T. Too bad, these are more expensive than Apple, but I can’t stand the glossy screens of the Apple Cinema Displays. I have a good old Apple cinema display (23 inch or something) for my accountant, which is also matte (the screen, no the accountant).
I bought my first computer in the mid 1980′s. It was a Mac Classic. I loved it and have always stayed with Apple. In 2007 I bought a new 20 inch iMac, a white one, with the superior matte IPS screen.
The Aluminum iMacs had just come out, but I hated their glossy screens. I need a serious matte screen that gives me accurate colours to do my photo editing work, not a glossy screen that gives me colours that are less truthful. I cannot believe that now there are no iMacs with a matte screen. I am ready to upgrade to a new iMac, but I can’t because of those damn glossy screens. I could buy another brand of matte IPS screen, but then what: the Mac Mini is too limited and the Mac Pro is too expensive. And so, for the first time since buying the Mac Classic, I am seriously contemplating buying a Microsoft Windows PC. I can’t believe I’m actually saying this out loud, but it is true because I do not want a glossy screen!
I simply cannot understand the decision-makers at Apple in this … They should listen to their fans. I’ve been with Apple for 25 years and now I am forced to look elsewhere. That’s just nuts.
I sent a periodic update to http://www.apple.com/feedback drawing Apple’s attention to the petitions on this site. This is done periodically, so you can be assured someone at Apple is aware of this petition site.
MacMatte editor
Almost all Mac journalists regard the matte screen issue to be dead: this could mean (a) it is dead because the vast majority of people now like glossy screens, or (b) the issue is dead because Apple’s arrogance means there is no chance of Steve Jobs changing his mind.
It has to be the latter. Just today I came across a 2011 poll.
http://www.ehmac.ca/anything-mac/93494-03-09-2011-ehmac-mac-poll-matte-glossy.html
Question: Matte or Glossy
Matte 49 64.47%
Glossy 27 35.53%
Voters: 76
That’s 64% in favor of matte. No matter how some could counter-argue that this poll could be skewed, it still points to the fact that lots of people want matte screens.
I completely agree with the problematic glossy screen. I bought a 27″ LED glossy screen two months ago, and ended up hating to work with it. I have both the matte 30″ Cinema Display and this glossy one, and largely prefer the matte version. I also think that there is an issue of extreme resolution that strains people’s eyes. It may sound strange, but I think the new glossy screens are too sharp and it becomes difficult to read them.
I will refrain from buying any Apple computer until there is an 144×900 matte display option for the 13″ MacBook Pro.
I’m not getting another iMac till there is a matte option.
One thing prevents me from buying a new iMac … the lack of a matte screen option. In every other aspect the iMac is the ideal machine for me but due to the glossy screen only I will not be purchasing from the Apple computer line until the matte screen is available.
I like my iPad, but I won’t be buying a new iMac or MacBook until there’s a matte option. I guess Apple is no longer interested in its longtime creative professional clientele – I wonder who will fill that niche?
I really want a matte screen iMac – I just can’t tolerate a gloss screen. If the next iMac update doesn’t have a matte screen as an option, I’m not buying.
I’m an Apple FCP Certified Pro and videographer for local TV and commercial clients, so I’m one of those longtime creative professionals who uses Apple products.
If Apple aren’t responsive to professional’s needs, it might be time to look for a non-Apple alternative.
If the new iMac updates (May 2011) have a matte option, Apple will have my business immediately. As a designer mostly for print the matte screen is a must, otherwise I’ll stick to my old MacBook and the matte external display.
Avid PC user but want to switch to Mac. Cannot do this until the 13″ MacBook Pro gets a matte option.
Why no matte option on the 13 inch MacBook Pro? And the iMac range?
It looks like Apple have made their mind up on this issue – but their reasoning is mysterious. It keeps the product lines simple. But screens – as many people on this site have noted – aren’t like USB and firewire ports etc – they are much more fundamental.
Thanks.
Apple. Please!!!
Author Malcolm Gladwell in his book Blink described the Pepsi Challenge: A taste test sponsored by Pepsi where on the basis of a quick sip people overwhelmingly chose the more sugary Pepsi. The book ascertains that upon actually drinking a whole glass the results were more even, with Coke actually on top — This is how I think of Glossy vs. Matte. The Glossy Display looks more attractive and candy-like at first viewing (say in the Apple Store), but spending an entire day in front of a Glossy Display is a different matter.
When we look at a computer display, we want to see the image it is portraying, not everything behind us. The current matte screens seem to introduce some “blurriness” that the reflective screens do not. But surely there is a way to avoid the reflectiveness, at least to the same degree as my Crizal eyeglasses, which is just a coating that can be applied to the glass.
For Apple to refer to a matte screen as “anti-glare” is sort of a disservice. Really, glossy should just be called “glare finish”.
I hated the glossy screen on my MacBook and was rather glad that they offered a matte option when I upgraded to the MacBook Pro line. Probably going to get a 27″ iMac soon. I’m enough of a sucker that I’d even pay extra for a matte screen on it (I have before after all …), but I’m guessing that Apple will never make that happen.
I will only buy an iMac if it has a anti-glare matte display option. Otherwise I will probably build a hackintosh, since I need a Mac for some of the work I do.
Apple, please.
Matte option would be most excellent!
Chris
(Proud owner of a Powerbook G4. With matte screen, obviously)
I’m constantly buying only matte MacBook Pro’s and I just can’t buy the new iMac or even the Apple Cinema Display because of their glossy screens … unacceptable, Apple.
Please, please, Apple. Offer matte/antiglare displays as a Build-to-order (BTO) option.
I Agree !!
The new iMacs sound great, apart from not having a matte screen option. My old iMac needs replacing, but I will ‘not’ buy a new one until I can get it with a matte screen.
I hate to see myself (in the screen reflection) while watching movies. Since the new Final Cut will ship with a dark surface, there is definitely the need for a non-glossy screen! Or do I have to watch my stupid face also while editing?
matte matte
I want an iMac to replace an old Mac Mini, and also want a MacBook Air to replace a couple of Asus netbooks. But no way with glossy screens. Please respond, Apple,
TC
If I wanted to look at myself, I will use a mirror. I have an old iSight Mac and love the antiglare screen. Not sure why Apple cannot make the matte antiglare screen a special order no-cost option. Apple likes to wear earplugs
Please Apple, make matte screens an option – ASAP! Charge for it, if you have to!
I am sure you understand why so many people prefer matte. Most of Apple costumer base want Macs to actually WORK, not just play games or watch videos. It is quite hard to believe that someone who works with a screen might prefer a glossy one…
Thanks!
Nelson Escórcio
Please let me buy an iMac with a matte screen. Glossy screens are not professional.
Like others here, I don’t understand why Apple is tone deaf to its customers’ request for antiglare screens. Today’s new iMacs look wonderful, except for one GLARing problem. Apple, please offer an antiglare option!
I don’t want to see my refections. The eyes and the human brain are very intelligent – it will slowly ignore the image and let you concentrate on the screen before you, but still my image is there, I get distracted by my own image. So get rid of this. I do need a matte screen.
Apple are you listening …
Sajid
Please provide a matte Build-to-order (BTO) option. If you do, I — and many others — will buy.
In my office there’s a venetian blind behind my desk – not a problem with my two old 20″ matte Cinema Displays, but disastrous with a glossy screen. Matte option please, Apple.
I was all set to buy one of the new iMacs just released in May 2011 but was utterly dismayed to learn that there is no matte screen option. Avoiding distracting, annoying reflections is significantly more important to me than the glossy look of the standard glass iMac screen.
Reality is matte (by default).
I ONLY buy matte screens!!! APPLE: Please provide that option to ALL Macs and Cinema Displays.
I totally agree with this. Apple has great hardware across the product range – apart from the glare screens.
Glossy screens may be fine for some, but I feel sure that those of us who earn a living with our Macs need the matte finish. I certainly do.
Apple, please offer a matte option. We just bought a MacBook Pro with the high-res/anti-glare option. We would be willinig to pay a little more for the same anti-glare option with an iMac.
I’m using a Mac Mini together with an oldish matte Apple Cinema Display – because I love the display’s matte screen. It’s wonderful.
Come on, Apple, give us more matte screen options. If you brought out a matte screen iMac – I’d buy it!
Once again I cannot buy an iMac as much as I am overdue for a replacement machine. My office has a sliding glass door right behind me and every test I have done shows that the glare will just kill my productivity.
Yes, Apple, please give us back matte screens. I still have my old 30 inchers serving me well.
I bought my first Mac in April 1987 (SE with 2 floppy drives, no HD). Upgraded many times over the years, now using a MacBook Pro. Never owned a Microsoft Windows machine. Having said that, I’m not an Apple fanboy. I do not have (or want) an iPod, iPhone, iPad, or any other Apple product.
I hate the tiny photos in AddressBook, I hate pretty much everything about iTunes. I could go on …
Steve: Stop drinking your own kool aid. Stop the BS! Apple products are not magical, they are not incredible. The only reason Apple is so profitable is because the competition’s products are so pitiful.
The whole thing can collapse like a house of cards the minute a smarter guy steps into the arena.
Offer us a GD matte screen! That is all.
Matte is better. Apple, please give us the choice.
I am a professional photographer. Long hours in front of a computer are a given. The eye strain from a glossy monitor is too much to allow the work hours necessary. I would not have bought my MacBook Pros if the matte screen had not been an option. I would have gone over to the dark side (Microsoft) for my notebooks — a most unpleasant thought for a Mac user of 16-17 years — after my TiBook finally failed.
The new Sandy Bridge iMacs are very attractive from the performance standpoint when the Thunderbolt peripherals become available. But without the option of a matte screen, they are useless for my needs. The matte screen needs to be available as an option.
I live in southern California where there is a lot of light. I just purchased an HDTV (Sony KDL-55EX710) with “matte finish” as one of my top requirements. I’ve been a loyal Mac purchaser since the Powerbook Duo. If Apple ever ceases to have a matte finish laptop option, I will investigate alternatives.
Dear Apple,
Please bring back the matte screen to iMac. I am still using the 20″ white iMac because this was the last iMac with a matte screen. I will buy an iMac again if you bring back the matte screen
Andy
I am a photographer and found that moving the glossy screen, just a fraction, gives a different brightness/ contrast to the picture on screen. The problems are photo and video – trying to get the on-screen to match the print output with a glossy screen. Every photographer I have spoken to has the same problem. I suppose Apple hopes the new generation of graphic artist will not know any better.
Apple, please make the matte option on all your notebooks and desktop computers. My eyes strain too much staring at your glossy screens. That is why I use a Dell matte monitor on my Mac Pro.
I would really like to get a new iMac for my wife, but like me, she absolutely refuses to own one with a glossy screen. Even though her current iMac (4 years old) faces away from the window, enough light comes in from the window to cause reflections off of clothing and other items in the room.
I also have a 4 year old MacBook Pro and need to replace it, but can’t. Portable devices such as a MacBook require anti-glare screens since their use in bright environments cannot be controlled. The new MacBooks offer anti-glare for some of their hi-res models, but my poor eyes simply cannot resolve the fine print on those screens (I wish I could use the hi-res screens, but the eyestrain I get is not worth it).
Please, Apple, offer matte screens. Don’t force me to find (and apply) an after-market product that doesn’t work as well.
– Andy
Yep, I am jumping ship on my next laptop and desktop purchase if Apple does not offer matte finishes on most if not all their displays. I’m sure there are reasons why matte is only available on 15″ MBP and up (for professionals only?), but whatever those reasons are, I can tell you they are not too compelling for me.
Glossy screens cause huge eye strain for many. I end up doing more work on 6+ year-old iBook than my glossy-screen iMac for just this reason, and that difference is not because of travel – I just use it instead of the iMac right in the same room. Staring at that hideous glossy screen, from any distance, is just too much. I would welcome a Linux or Windows box with a reasonable matte display over it any day.
Personally I hate glare. Apple, give us a matte screen option please
We would buy two or three new iMacs, but our offices have large windows, so we stay with old computers and Dell (ugh) matte-screen monitors.
Gloss screens are horrid. Trying to work on pictures in the field on a sunny day is almost impossible. As much as I dislike Microsoft Windows, I think Apple are ignoring people who use their products to make a living. At some point, the benefits of using their lovely OS won’t be worth the hassle of trying to find a broom cupboard to work in (sarcasm).
I too add my vote for a matte screen. I am not upgrading my Mac until matte is an option as I believe it would be detrimental to my graphic design work.
Please add the matte option.
Thank you,
Gerald Abreu
Please add matte!!
+1 for matte screens. I hate the glare from glossy screens when viewing media or doing photo editing.
Would love to get iMac 27” if available in matte finish. Too bad it isn’t there. At least the MacBook Pro 15” matte screens haven’t disappeared.
I’ll keep it simple. I wouldn’t buy an iMac with a glossy screen.
I bought the 27″ iMac i7 back when it first came out. It almost went back a couple times in the return period. The mirror effect of the iMac’s glossy screen is miserable, and causes me to lose focus and get headaches. Absolutely no incentive to ever upgrade until Apple provide a museum-glass anti-glare screen. As beautiful a machine as the iMac is, I recommend people stay away from it, especially if you like keeping your screen on low brightness.
Please add matte screen option.
I am not prepared to spend $50 extra, plus shipping, plus taxes to order as an OPTION from Apple.
I priced the difference: A matte screen added $253 to the price of my Mac. That is beyond ridiculous!
We have some nice old Apple Cinema displays with matte screens and also some recent iMacs with glossy screens. Glossy screens are crap – fullstop!!! In the pro laptops, matte is at least a build-to-order option. Why not on the iMac ??
We have some nice old Apple Cinema displays with matte screens and also some recent iMacs with glossy screens. Glossy screens are crap – fullstop!!! In the pro laptops it´s at least a build to order option, why not on the iMac ??
If any other company did this, Apple fans would call it out for the cheapskate move it is. I love Macs, but after matte screens went from being the Apple standard to an extra-cost option it’s just tawdry, and obviously so.
I used to believe Apple was more than this. I hope they return to the former quality standards they used to offer.
I would have loved to buy the 27″ new iMac just released in May 2011 as it has a great looking design and I detest the current cable spaghetti that comes with my (computer + monitor) Windows PC. But I would only ever be interested in a matte screen so I was very disappointed to learn that there is no matte screen, not even as an option.
Glossy screens come with distracting, annoying reflections that make it simply unusable to me and unfit for any serious photo processing. Such a shame that Apple chooses to be so arrogant and foolish not to listen to all those who need a matte screen (optional would be fine). If you advertise the iMac with annoying reflection included on the screen you (should) know you are wrong. I just makes no sense whatsoever.
Shame, I came so close to switching camps and becoming an iMac aficionado.
I like the sun. Glossy screens don’t. My new MacBook Pro has matte and is great. No glossy iMac for me.
Seriously, glare is a debilitating medical issue for many with vision problems and migraine issues.
Would gladly pay more for the option of a matte screen.
Glare was always an issue for monitors, hence, companies would put so much focus on making the screens anti-glare. Now Apple goes and puts a nice glossy glass shield over all their screens! Is Apple all about the marketing now and not caring about the professionals?
I support the petition for matte screens!
Numerous replies have outlined the practical advantages of matte screens as compared to glossy ones. There is however another perspective which is occupational health and safety regulations.
Austria, where I currently reside, has outlawed the use of glossy displays in the workspace. Occupational health and safety inspectors have the authority to demand the removal of glossy screens and will issue a fine for non compliant companies. Apart from the very good reason for this legislation, Apple should also consider the potential loss of business.
Germany has not yet outlawed the use of glossy screens but health and safety recommendations do strongly discourage the use of glossy screens.
Apple should realize that other countries may follow suit to outlaw or discourage the use of glossy displays.
Here’s what I believe would be required with the iMac:
Replacement matte LCD panel, and custom bezel.
I think many folks would be pleased with a real desktop option at the low end price range so that we can choose our own monitor.
If Apple focuses so much on making the user experience as great as possible, what sense does it make to not even give them choice between matte and glossy? When I look at a monitor, I don’t want to see what’s behind me, which is really the only advantage to a glossy screen. It DOES NOT enhance picture quality. It detracts from it.
One of the primary reasons I did not buy an iMac about 4 months ago was the lack of a glossy screen option. I’m a photographer, and can’t handle the reflections. I need to see exactly what the image looks like with no distracting reflections, and I can’t adjust my workspace to accommodate a glossy screen. The fact that Apple no longer offers a glossy screen isn’t just annoying, it’s quite frankly stupid. I’ll check back in a few years when it’s time to update my system again.
Is it really all that expensive for Apple to apply the surface coating used in TV screen to a iMac? The only option is a Hackintosh. I’d prefer to buy a new “real Mac”.
Just wanted to add:
While some people may prefer glossy screens, nobody NEEDS a glossy screen.
Many people prefer matte screens, and many of those NEED a matte screen.
There is a huge difference of preference vs. need.
People who NEED something and can’t get it from Apple will go elsewhere. Like me.
Professional illustrator and cartoonist here…
I cannot create my work on glossy screens. Too much glare, which causes distraction, eye strain and eventually headaches.
Please bring matte screens back, Apple.
Have been sitting on this 6 year old iMac, awaiting each iMac update for a matte option. Worked through the days of CRT and just can’t go back to the reflections. LCD was a breakthrough in this (and claiming your desk back). Let’s take that one step forward again please, Apple.
I agree that all Macs should have matte screen options.
As everyone said: Apple, give us the possibility to choose matte or glossy.
I am ready to purchase a new Mac, and the choice is a top end MacBook Pro or an iMac. We have one MacBook Pro in the family and I do not really need a second one. A desktop computer would be fine and much cheaper for the same spec. BUT I cannot be doing with the horrible glossy screen which reflects badly to lighting etc in the room. In my opinion it makes the computer virtually unusable.
I have had Macs since 1987 and would not give up on Apple, so come on Steve Jobs listen to your core users and give us a matte option.
Glossy screens became popular on non-Macs several years ago. They sold very well. Apple followed the market, unfortunately. They “look” wonderful at first. In actual use of glossy screens, the reflection/glare “strain” the human eye. As a medical doctor, I love Macs, but I have had to go to a PC because of eye fatigue. I have had a 2010 MacBook Pro and it is painful and draining to use for more than 5 minutes. I need a new iMac desktop, but I will not buy a new iMac until a matte screen becomes available. I do a lot of medical research online. I have to use a Dell PC desktop because it lacks a glare & glossy screen.
Apple, please listen to the perhaps “silent majority” and produce at least the option of a matte screen. I believe you will find business increases rather than decreases at this point in time, years after the glossy look. Apple, you may want to look at the ophthalmology research on computer screen glare eye fatigue and actual “damage” to the eye.
I also am a photographer using Adobe Photoshop, and I resort to a PC because of the Mac screen glare. Please ask the photographic community about screen glare problems with Macs and PCs, as well. Thank you.
WE DO NEED MATTE SCREENS, NOW!
I really like my matte screens on the 30″ Cinema Display. If I have to replace these, it won’t be with current Apple glossy models. Glossy screens are very hard to work with because of the reflection.
Love the iMac, except the gloss screen. Apple, please offer a matte option for the iMac line.
The gloss reflection on my 24″ iMac is disturbing when it’s facing a window or lights. Not only does it make things harder to see on the screen due to the eye’s pupils narrowing as they naturally compensate for the bright reflections/lights, but also the annoying mirror like reflection when the screen is dark, off or in standby is distracting at my desk’s side which is otherwise dominated by my 120 degrees of non-glossy, no-reflection Windows PC screens.
Typical Apple attitude that they think they know best in their walled garden approach. How many years did it take for them to accept that two buttons on a mouse is acceptable, even though they still keep trying to design the buttons out of the mouse altogether? My hand has five digits and my PC mouse has about the same number of inputs, a much more sensible approach for professional users as is having non-glossy screens.
The glossy screen immediately wipes the iMac off my list. I have a Mac Mini but Apple keeps making them underpowered, and if the new iMac had come with a matte option I would be ordering one right away. It’s really ridiculous not to offer the matte screen as an option, Apple. You only have a choice of 2 freaking desktop computers, would adding that option kill you?
As a Photographer, an iMac with a matte screen would be one more option for studio shooting or post production tasks – Apple should seriously consider an option for a Matte Screen for all the iMac models !
Give us the choice we seek Apple !!
Thanks !
If you are working with pictures, painting them, editing them or anything else – it is simply impossible to work with a glossy screen. I have a glossy iMac in my office, and during winter it was ok (not “good”), but now, as the sun comes out with increasing light intensity, it is just impossible to work on this thing. I am too old to work in a dark basement room without windows – I want my office as it is! I thought Apple to be a design-sensitive Company, but the decision to sell glossy screens (and offer no matte option!) tells me times have changed. I want matte screens! (or a Mac without Screen in between the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro – the midi Mac!)
I know this a civilized discussion. But with the new iMacs announced today, 3rd May 2011, without matte screens, I feel that this is what Apple has again said to many of us: http://i.imgur.com/Cxg3H.jpg
It was a godsend when we finally got antiglare screens. I have no clue why people love these glossy screens so much. I cannot work for 10 hours on a glossy screen. It was bad for your eyes 20 years ago and it’s still bad for your eyes. The fact that the screens are much brighter and can blast through the glare is not a solution, just as I don’t usually enjoy spending my day staring into a flashlight.
Please, Apple, make matte displays for professionals.
I want to replace my 2006 iMac but will not buy a glossy-screen machine. It seems I will have to go back to a PC. Shame.
C’mon Apple, you’ve got a world of believers and you’re just pissing on ‘em. Surely your profit margin can handle the supposed added cost of offering a choice. Thanks.
I have one eye, and scaring near my optic nerve (sound complicated and it is). Thus I cannot see anywhere near the ability that most people can. In a room that doesn’t have many light sources, a glossy screen looks beautiful, but in many other working areas it is intolerable. I love the sunlight, especially getting a little when I’m sitting at my desk doing school work for hours, and the last thing I want to deal with is the sun causing me to see reflections off everything in the room.
I love Apple products, and I’m sure the design team at Cupertino are capable of finding a way to make an exceptionally good looking matte screen for the iMac, MacBook Pros, and Cinema Displays.
I add my name to the growing list of Mac users who WILL NOT buy any of the shiny, over-reflective high gloss screens currently (3rd May 2011) on offer from Apple.
Wise up, Apple, you are NOT ALWAYS RIGHT and we customers are NOT ALWAYS WRONG!
Would it be such a financial disaster to stock and supply matte screens to those who want them?
Please don’t wreck the really great thing about the Mac – “It just works” – this ill conceived glossy component certainly DOES NOT WORK!
For professional and for non-professional use, I’d like to see a return of matte screens. Apart from the clear benefits of offering a tried and tested solution to glare – equally irritating at home and at work – matte screens also lend a certain quality to a screen. The glossy screen is ubiquitous, outdated, cheap and tacky looking. Surely a company like Apple, that prides itself on quality, cannot fail to see that the glossy screen is just a trend, a brief misguided flirtation. I am baffled and disappointed with each iMac/MacBook update announcement that this process is taking so long. Please, Apple, at the very least, bring back the choice of a matte screen for those who want and need it.
I consider myself fortunate that I have an Apple 22″ matte ADC monitor to plug into my iMac. But my next purchase will send me to a Dell monitor, if there are no matte Apple monitors.
I won’t buy a new iMac until the matte screen option is available. Try working 8 to 10 hours a day in a brightly lit office with a 27″ glossy-screen iMac: impossible. It’s like staring into a mirror all day.
I’m a Mac fan big time. I bought a 30″ Apple Cinema Display (ACD) for recreational use and am happy with it. But I gotta say there is no glossy display in my future.
New iMacs just came out today. I’d lay my money down right this second, but no way I’m paying for a $2000 mirror. Until there’s a matte option my money will be spent elsewhere.
Clearly matte screens on iMacs represent a much more costly option than the current matte-screens on MacBook Pros due to the significantly higher airfreight charges on much heavier special orders out of the facility in China from where they would presumably be shipped. The fact that Apple wishes to continue to expediently profit at the expense of many of their customers’ increased mental stress and diminished eye health says more about our favorite company than anything they or we can write. It is surprising that Steve Jobs being unique in his industry in designing revolutionary products to meet consumer needs rather than engineering convenience allows blind management arrogance to park needlessly across the road of common sense on a health matter with a low cost resolution.
Even CRT monitors have long had an Anti-Glare coating on them. Apple once again is trying to tell their consumers what they want is what Apple wants. Well fine, I’ll wait for the Class Action suits on eye strain and whatnot and we’ll see then who knows best. Glossy is Apple idea of the “new black” and it’ll only catch on if it works. It’s long since been known that glossy screens are a big problem. Wonder where Apple missed that? Isn’t there a Kindle commercial out there slamming gloss screens?
Apple, wise up and do what is right for once. Instead of what you want.
+1 for Anti-Glare on all Apple products.
I want a matte screen because I want to see what is on the screen – and work. Also, Mac consumers should have the choice of a matte screen.
I used to work on an iMac for freelance work at home. I loved it because it didn’t take up a lot of space and was economical. It was a work horse and served me well for a few years. The version I had was the one just before they came out with the Intel processor. It came to a point where I needed to upgrade, because I couldn’t put any new software on it like CS5 and Capture One. I wanted to get another one and was very disappointed because of the glossy screen. I do retouching, photography and design work. The glossy screen was hard on my eyes and was too contrasty for accurate color correction. It is also hard to tell between dust on the screen or dust on the lens! I was forced to buy a more expensive Mac Pro (still paying it off).
Even the new Apple Cinema Displays have a glossy screen. So I bought elsewhere, a NEC 27″ which I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE! It even comes with color calibration equipment. It seems to me that Apple is now catering to kids with disposable allowances (for gaming, etc.) and is ignoring its old friends who helped them build their empire, the designers.
I am a photographer and I refuse to buy a new Mac because it makes retouching impossible. So I am currently stuck using my first generation MacBook Pro because it does not have the high gloss screen. Apple used to give a matte option and I think they still should!
Glossy screens are simply vulgar – and vulgarity ought to be the last thing Apple is aiming for. I hope Apple ends this glossy-only phase soon, as they did with brushed metal in OS X.
I find it almost impossible, with a glossy screen, to concentrate on my work with my own reflection constantly moving behind my work. My focus keeps changinging between the screen and my reflection twice as far away. My eyes get tired, my productivity falls, and I can’t work for as long without a break.
Fortunately, I still have my 23″ Apple matte screen from 2006, since Apple haven’t provided me with a suitable replacement.
So, Apple, when will I be able to spend some money in your stores and come away with a brand new Apple matte display? (I’ll buy a third party product if I must)
boo on apple…
…ONE SIZE DOES *NOT* FIT ALL
I prefer a high-quality matte screen, and hope that Apple will soon offer them in the MacBook Pro 13″, both of the MacBook Air sizes, all iMacs, and in the iPad.
Count me in as another customer who prefers matte screen
I don’t like glossy screens because of the blacks. Dark websites and movies reflect my image very easily unless I turn up the brightness to maximum level – even then that may not work all the time.
I wish matte was an option on the iMacs like it is on the 15″ MacBook Pro.
I find glossy displays unusable. On portable devices, intended to be taken places where one is not in control of the lighting environment, they are equivalent to a screen door on a submarine. I demand to see on a display what the computer is providing AND NOTHING ELSE, all else being distortion. Why would one desire music AND noise?
I bought a used 24″ iMac (and paid a premium for it – $2200) so I could get the very last model of iMac with a matte screen. I’m a photographer and I HATE photo-editing on a glossy screen. So far all of the workarounds (filters and whatnot) have been sub-standard. I would love to get a quad-core iMac with more RAM, but the glossy screen is a deal-breaker.
I need to buy Adobe Creative Suite which is either a Mac or Windows licence. Such a major purchase will therefore lock me into an OS beyond the repurchase of a workstation. So the lack of a matte screen now for a Mac means not just a missed sale today but more in the future as I’ll stick with Windows to be able to use my applications rather than buy a future matte Mac. Mac is a great platform but it loses sales and credibility with those that championed it back in the day and this will hurt them more than they think when people like me are happy on Windows with a large investment in OS specific applications.
Shame on you Apple.
As a designer, I prefer a matte screen for sure. It’s definitely much more difficult to work on a glossy screen, especially with darker, low key images.
I currently work on an iMac 27″ glossy-screen quad, but had the matte screen iMac G5 2.1ghz before that – so I know there’s a big difference.
I will hold out buying a new iMac until I can get a matte option. I have a white 24 inch super iMac with the professional matte screen – FANTASTIC! I know it is only a matter of time until Apple provides a matte option for professionals. I would pay a little more if that is what it would take. I will wait for a matte option, maybe in the 2012 iMac design.
I’d really love to buy a 27″ Apple Cinema Display but the glossy reflections render it useless
I cannot believe that Apple has discontinued the matte screens. It must be that it costs too much or something. I bought a MacBook Pro back almost 5 years ago, and it is still running strong. Since then I have acquired the 15″ iMac (each with a matte finish). I have seen the new models (all glossy screens) but I will not buy a new iMac until Apple returns to its senses and hears the voice of its customers. WE WANT MATTE! WE WANT MATTE!
Thanks Apple for hearing and responding.
My family just got a new glossy-screen iMac, which is great but we hate the screen glare. I’d much prefer an anti-glare screen.
I’m using a 6-yr-old PowerBook that no longer holds a charge, primarily because I want a small laptop and will not buy a glossy screen for a portable computer. I’ve needed a new laptop for at least a year. Now what I have is barely functional, and I’ve just been holding off, waiting for the matte screen option to trickle down to something small and affordable.
I have a decade-old CRT hooked up to my newish Mac Pro, and have held on to it this long in part because of the proliferation of high-gloss screens. It’s starting to die now, and an Apple monitor isn’t even on the list, in part due to the glossy screen.
I am a commercial photographer still using a white 24 inch iMac. I will upgrade to the latest iMac once a matte screen option is offered. I would be happy to pay extra for this feature. Apple needs to listen to the wishes of 40% of its customers that require matte screens. Very poor business practice in my opinion.
You’d think that a guy with his own major health issues would be quite conscious of the health and usability issues of the glossy-screen products he tries to sell. But no. Get well, Steve — both physically and mentally.
I am in the market for a laptop and a new iMac. The lack of matte displays are keeping me from making the purchases at this time. As I do a lot of work with photography, I prefer the matte finish.
Shiny apples sell more … but we are not at the grocery store!
It takes me a few minutes to eat one, but I stay hours in front
of my screen … when are you going to realize that Apple is not selling fruits.
Matte screens should be a priority … and an option !
THINK DIFFERENT… NOT INDIFFERENT !
Born and raised on a Mac … starting to feel betrayed though …
Apple, matte screen please!
Was in the market to upgrade my old white Intel iMac (purchased 2006). I’d seen previous new members of the iMac family in stores and couldn’t believe the amount of reflection visisble on the glossy screen. A friend has one and I can’t stand using it.
I contacted the Apple Store and asked if the latest models came with a matte screen option. Sadly they don’t. I’ve been using Apple for over twenty years (yes – I’m that old) but I just can’t use a computer with a glossy screen. Don’t know what I’m going to do …
There is really no harm in an option for a matte screen. Some people have serious issues with working on glossy screens, and it can’t really hurt Apple to make a matte screen available on special order.
I have a 24″ white iMac from before the glossy screens became the only option. I also have a 13″ unibody MacBook with a glossy screen.
I hate the reflections on the MacBook. When my iMac was in for repair, I used the MacBook in the same position. Even though my desk is carefully placed so that the window is to the side, I saw reflections of whatever part of the room was illuminated by the sun.
Yesterday I saw the release of updated iMacs. The specs are perfect for me. I would love a 27″ iMac, but it is a no-go because of the reflective glossy screen.
My old iMac won’t cut it anymore so I have to supplement it with a Windows PC here at home. I want a new iMac as bad as anything, but I WILL NOT BUT A GLOSSY SCREEN. I want a matte screen so bad that I got a PC with a beautiful matte screen (my first ever PC since 1985). I won’t buy a glossy iMac. Listen up Apple!
I own an older iMac with the matte screen. I can’t use the glossy screen as my eyes are strained due to that highly reflective surface. Apple used to cater to their customers needs more than any other make but now, it seems that Apple doesn’t care. Please, Apple, give us the matte monitor. You will see an increase in sales.
Why is it the new iMac’s released today STILL DON’T HAVE AN OPTION FOR ANTI-GLARE?
Does APPLE not realize that there are power graphic users who REQUIRE this? And that this is the sole thing holding them back from buying this product?
The aftermarket solutions suck, and change the actual color in the process. Something which is UNACCEPTABLE when you are doing pixel by pixel photo editing.
Come on Apple… get with the program and enjoy even GREATER sales. Or have you SO lost touch with the people who have been your greatest ad campaign over the years?
Sad. Really Sad.
I have a window right behind my desk, so no way am I buying an iMac with a reflecting glossy screen. That means I will carry on using my underpowered Mac Mini until it falls apart. I really don’t understand why it would apparently “hurt” Apple to provide a matte option for all their notebooks and iMacs.
This message was submitted at Apple.com’s customer support page today:
I read today that Apple’s marketing department is starting a “customer pulse” program to get feedback from customers. The news story I read is found at http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/05/05/apple_initiates_customer_pulse_market_research_focus_group.html
My request: please can you forward the website URL below to the Customer Pulse Group. It contains currently 1,424 customer comments on an issue that Apple has not listened to its customers for around 4 years:
http://macmatte.wordpress.com/comment-page-1/#comments
I work with an late 2006 White iMac with matte screen. Soon I will need a system with more performance. Because of my small workspace an iMac is the best solution. I would immediately buy a new iMac if there would be an matte screen option. I hope so much that an new re-design will take care of an non-glare option. A normal matte display like my white iMac would be the best.
Remember: Form follows function. Maybe a glossy mirror-glass screen looks better. But for me the iMac is a machine to work in. Not only moviewatching.
I bought a glossy 27″ LED Apple Cinema Display. Big mistake – I won’t buy another. The glossy screen gives me headaches.
Apple, please make a matte monitor.
Shiny display == NO SALE
macmatte wrote on May 5, 2011 at 7:47 am:
[snip] Apple “customer pulse” program to get feedback from customers [snip]
Apple is only interested in feedback from a small random sample of their customers and – by invitation only!
This will inevitably be the voice from the masses of recreational computer users whose primary activities are social interaction via the internet, playing games and watching movies. The majority of them will love a glossy screen because they have little or no understanding of the detrimental consequences a mirror-like screen has on people who must stare at their computers daily for long hours at work, both in terms of the health of their eyes and image quality requirements of their work.
Compared to the above majority of Apple customers, people who use their computers for work are very few and Apple is increasingly showing scant regard for the needs of their most loyal users who have helped Apple survive through their difficult days.
It is appalling that Apple does not give this core user base the choice they have been pleading for since the change to the current horrid glossy screens – not even at a commensurate price increase. More than four years and several iMac product cycles!
If Apple could provide computers with screens that have great contrast and brilliant colour – as well as not being MIRRORS, then they would more emphatically deserve to be lauded as innovators.
This from Apple’s website: “Membership is by invitation only and is directed to a random sample of our registered customers.”
Thanks Stewart Mitchell, from PCPro magazine, for highlighting this petition in your article:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/367165/lack-of-matte-screens-driving-imac-fans-to-windows-pcs
This message was submitted to Apple.com feedback page:
Please draw this news article to the attention of Apple’s new “Customer Pulse” feedback unit:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/367165/lack-of-matte-screens-driving-imac-fans-to-windows-pcs
Let’s hope that Apple listens to its customers and offers a matte option for the iMac. It’s bad enough using an iPad which reflects my damn face when watching movies but an iMac is a bigger pain because it’s pretty much stuck on your desk and can’t be angled very much.
I have to stay in front of a screen more than 10 hours a day. With glossy screens I start having headaches after one or two hours.
I haven’t bought a MacBook yet because of the glossy display. I will stick with PCs until then. Please Apple, don’t be arrogant, and even if it doesn’t give you so much direct profit producing matte displays, listen to your users, and consider offering matte displays.
We will be much pleased with that, and we will be another positive voice selling your products to our friends and family.
The lack of matte is the only thing preventing me from buying a Mac. Glossy screens are awful for text and graphics. Bin those if you need to …
C’est une hérésie de devoir dire à Apple de faire des écrans mats mais puisqu’il le faut: Mon prochain Mac aura un écran ou ne sera pas …
It is a heresy to have to tell to Apple to make matte screens but because one needs them: My next Mac will have a matte screen or will not be …
Waited all year to upgrade my MacBook to an iMac for photography in hopes matte would be available. Instead I am switching back to Microsoft Windows. Post-processing on the iMac’s glossy screen is not practical!
I would love to own an Apple iMac desktop and a MacBook Pro laptop instead of my current Windows-based computers IF ONLY they had matte screens. I have even bought books about Apple OSX operating system in preparation for eventually owning their much better designed and friendlier computers. However, I can see myself having to be resigned to Windows-based computers when I need to upgraded to more modern ones as long as Apple fails to produce a matte screen option for both their desktop and laptop computers.
Just leaving my voice here too. Users should have the choice of either glossy or matte on both Apple’s desktop and laptop computers. The lack of matte screens is stopping so many potential customers from buying Apple’s products. There just doesn’t seem to be a reason for this absurdity.
I do web development and close work with photos, in a room where I’m facing away from a large window. A matte screen is essential in this situation. For that reason, I just decided against buying one of the new iMacs. Apple, please offer a matte screen option!
I think it is silly for Apple to leave the non-reflective option out of the iMac lineup and the Cinema Display line-up. If non-reflective screens were a good idea for 6 years before the iMac aluminum, why are they a bad idea now? Materials? Expense? Poor Longevity? Pondering executive/engineering decisions.
John
The MacMatte petition was featured in this article entitled “Apple iMac users fed up with glossy screens & want a matte option” at the MyCE – My Consumer Electronics website:
http://www.myce.com/imac-users-protest-glossy-screens-defect-to-pcs-44456/
Do Apple’s engineers, designers and leaders not use their Mac products outside a dark room? If they did, they would immediately know how ridiculous it is to use a glossy screen in many conditions.
It is insane for Apple not to offer a matte option.
I have to use these computers for my work. Apple have us all by the balls and we are all going to go blind because some nonce has decided that keeping your eyesight is less important than Apple selling something shiny to morons.
I use the computer for many hours during the day for my work. For me it’s impossible to use a glossy screen because the glossy screen gives me headaches (like other users). I’m waiting for a matte iMac. In meanwhile I will continue to buy only Windows PCs with very good matte/anti glare displays.
I am certain that if Apple decides to include matte screen for iMacs, they will sell more units. I tried talking to many Apple representatives, but they canot help.
I am also ready to pay more upfront for a matte screen. I don’t know why that simple thought is a problem for Steve Jobs.
PLEASE! MATTE SCREEN IMACS!!
Apple, please just do this. I didn’t even realize this was an issue until I brought my new iMac home. Even after arranging my Brooklyn apartment around 3 times to try relieve the glare, I still get sick after minutes of using this glossy screen. I use a matte screen all day at work – no problems like this ever with a matte computer monitor. There are other Apple customers that are excited to bring home the shiny computer to find that it is just not comfortable to use. You are alienating loyal users.
I too was looking to replace my old iMac with a new one. Although I loved the new iMac I couldn’t buy it because of where our home computer needs to be placed. I wound up buy a used 20″ G5 matte-screen iMac to wait to see if Apple will offer a matte iMac screen in the near future. Please, Apple!
Also, we are shopping for a new MacBook for my daughter for college. The MacBook Pro 15″ with matte option is a little more than we can spend, and I was wondering why the MacBook Pro 13″ or the MacBook can’t have the same matte screen option, and be something we can afford better.
No matte, no iMac for me. I just can’t spend hours using a full of glare screen. Just can’t. I don’t work in a bunker without windows. Until then I’ll just learn to use a normal Microsoft Windows PC with a normal matte screen :/
After enduring no end of distracting reflectivity from my 2008 glossy-screen iMac and, with an aging 12″ iBook, I bought an anti-glare Microsoft Windows PC laptop a week ago. My first PC! So far, I’m pleasantly surprised to see just how good Windows 7 is.
However, I like OS X a lot and I’d like to think I won’t ever leave Apple completely. But suitable Mac hardware options are now so few for me (Mac Pro is overkill, but current Mac Mini too restrictive), I’m sure to buy a PC desktop before I’d ever buy another glossy iMac. That’s how strongly I feel against glossy screens.
After a great deal of research while shopping for a new computer, I reaching a point of near equilibrium between a more limited set of specifications for the dollar in a iMac vs. a bit more problematic Operating System in a Microsoft-based system.
I found the decision point narrows to the very real problem with a glossy screen. Why should I put up with unnecessary eye strain for the lifetime of a new computer?
Thanks to you all for helping me make up my mind.
Mike
I am on my 12th Mac since 1991. I believe except for the very first CRT-type, all the rest are matte. Mr. Jobs, I want to upgrade. Give me a matte screen.
Can’t even look at the iMacs in stores – the glossy screens give me a headache and the feeling that I want to get away from them. The glossy screens on the current Macs will keep me from buying one. Sorry Apple has made this decision.
When I bought my Power Mac, I bought a high end Viewsonic matte monitor to go with it because I can’t handle the mirrors that Apple sells as monitors. My next computer may be a Mac, but, if it is it will be a Mac Mini with someone else’s monitor. I’m sick and tired of Apple’s recent arrogant attitude of “father knows best”.
I use my Mac portables in diverse lighting conditions, and I need the matte display option.
#&$% (edited).
I’ve waited for a long time for a new MACMATTE.
I hate the new glossy displays.
Apple sells 18 models of the iPhone 4, and also configures Macs in many versions when purchased from their web store. So, it is commercially possible to offer iMacs with matte screens.
My current Mac has a glossy screen and my previous Mac had a matte screen. The reflections on the glossy screen are distracting and unacceptable. The back of my iMac faces a window, so daylight does not directly reflect off the screen. Rather, daylight reflects off my shirt and clutters the screen with an unwanted reflection. I will never again purchase another Mac with a glossy screen.
I have a MacBook Pro with matte screen and also a 2006 iMac with matte screen. I wish that the new iMac’s were also offered with this matte screen option.
Glossy displays don’t work for me. Please give us a matte option, Apple!
I want to buy a new iMac for work – but will stick with my 5-year-old first-gen Intel tower instead, because of the lack of a matte screen option. Best guess I have heard is that Apple is actually trying to drive professionals away from the iMacs, thinking that we will buy more towers if the iMac screens can’t be used for pro purposes. FAIL. Apple, you guys have lost a sale.
I paid extra for the matte screen on my MacBook Pro, and I’d be willing to pay extra for it on the iMac also. I was planning to buy a new iMac this summer (when OSX 10.7 Lion comes out), but if there is no matte screen option I may have to wait and make my current iMac last until Apple finally realizes that glare is not acceptable to everyone.
Totaly agree with your comments! I also need matte screen for calibration process and photography works.
Many graphics designers and photographers use iMacs daily. They can not use glossy screens because of reflections interfering with images on-screen. Glossy screens may have slightly better color gamut, but they are unacceptable because of the glare issue. Besides, the ridiculously high screen brightness of iMacs makes them extremely difficult to calibrate.
It should be no problem for Apple to routinely offer an option of matte screen finish for all models of iMacs as well as for all models of stand-alone displays.
Apple is losing a sizable portion of sales because of their irrational practice of forcing glossy screens on us.
I’ve posted before, but felt the need to post again. My Dell is getting slow and old and I really want to switch to Mac. Were Apple to offer a matte iMac, I’d immediately go to the Apple store and buy a top of the line i7 iMac and a 15″ i7 MacBook Pro. If a new Mac Pro tower computer doesn’t come out soon where I can hook up my own display, I may be sticking with Microsoft Windows and buying another non-Mac. Very upsetting!
Totally agree. For professional purposes, the glossy displays in the new iMacs aren’t good for office situations. Therefore I’ve pretty much switched all our systems over to Microsoft Windows where I can have decent quality colour calibrated displays with matte finishes. If the new sandy bridge iMacs had been available with matte screens (May 2011), then we’d have brought them in quantity. Apple is dumping its old core of design and photographic professionals for the more lucrative consumer market – for Apple, it’s now all about the iPhone, iPad and shiny glossy products. The ludicrous price of the Mac Pro compared with similar specified high-end PCs is a clear indication. Most mid-range designers and offices have no choice but to choose a glossy iMac or a PC.
I’m in a room on the shady side of the house, with blinds half closed, no inside light on, and the glossy screen reflections are still bothering me. I need the matte screen – it’s worth the minute quality difference, which is one Apple have accepted in the past.
Once again, nice new iMac updates (May 2011) but a non-starter without a matte screen option (for me as a designer/photographer). So that’s another big chunk of money Apple won’t be getting from me and I guess many others. Shame.
I’m a graphic/web design professional and have been using a MacBook Pro and 23″ Apple Cinema Display for years but will not buy a new workstation because of the glossy widescreen displays currently offered by Apple.
NEC, Lacie and others have amazing matte-screen offerings which may be where my solution lies, but personally I want to see Apple catering for the market which was responsible for so much of their success and those first Mac evangelists who were design pro’s back in the 1990′s
Matt
Apple should make matte screens an option on all devices.
I work in a technology company, where each of us have flat screen, matte monitors. I actually have more than one such monitor on my desk. The only reason every monitor in this – and practically every other company out there – is matte is because that is the only safe option to provide for a work force that sits in front of computers to do their daily work.
Apple’s refusal to deliver the most appropriate of their computers for “real work” with matte screens either tells me that Apple is trying to cement the upgrade path to more expensive computers that DO have matte screens for people wishing to do this, or they don’t want these computers to be seen as work horses. Whichever is true, they are one and the same – sort it out Apple! People want to use these computers for serious work, and are driven away by some autismic myopia to what Apple is being told.
Matte screens are safe for everyone – no one should find looking at a matte screen uncomfortable.
As a commercial photographer who wants to give my clients my best work, I simply can’t work on a glossy screen. Glossy screens may be nice for watching movies in a dark basement, but not for making critical adjustments to photos bound for publication. A friend of mine just updated his photography studio with three non-Apple monitors because of the glare issue. Please Apple, at least offer a matte option on your monitors and displays.
The new Sandy Bridge iMacs would be a nice, but only with a matte display. Apple, why not offer matte as a build-to-order option?
Bring back the matte screen, Apple. I will never, never, never buy a new iMac or Cinema Display monitor till you do. I am happy with the old matte Cinema Displays till then. My eyes are killing me from my glossy iPad – I don’t use it that often now. The iPad should have a glass screen because of touch, but I can immediately sense eye strain in such a small amount of time used. Thanks
I chose to buy an old model matte-screen MacBook Pro when the first glossy-only unibody ones were released, for the very reason that there was no matte option and that Apple thought they know what is best for all.
There must have been demand because after some time an add cost matte option was re-introduced into the range, first with the 17 inch MacBoo Pro, then the 15 inch model. Can’t Apple swallow some pride and give their consumers what they want to own, not what Apple presents them with.
I would love to replace our family’s ageing PC with an iMac but not with a glossy screen. The only non-glossy option for me is to buy a Mac Mini and a new matte third party monitor.
After working with computers from the early days and going through many sizes of glossy CRT monitors, with all manner of polarising filters fitted, I thanked God when LCD matte monitors came along, without reflections and easy on the eye.
If I were allowed the option to use a Mac in my working environment I couldn’t because it wouldn’t comply with the DSE requirements.
Here’s hoping for a change.
Steve Jobs …. Glossy isn’t cool, it’s just glossy.
As much as I love Apple products, not offering a matte screen option on the iMac is completely boneheaded. Apple is sure pissing a lot of people off with this misstep. What ridiculous thought-patterns could ultimately lead to Jobs and Co. concluding that it makes sense not to offer this matte option? The Death of Common Sense, Apple-style.
I am a professor in a moderate size photography teaching program with 60 plus Mac desktop computers all with 23″ and 30″ matte Apple monitors. All the computers are profiled and we are in a controlled lighting environment. We already replaced 18 of our 24″ iMacs that had glossy screens. When it is time to replace our current monitors, we will select matte screen monitors from a non-Apple vendor. However, we will continue to use Macs for our computing stations. The Mac glossy screens are unacceptable in our program.
Bring Back Matte on all iMac models! I love my 17″ i7 MacBook Pro matte screen.
The glass screens of the iMac pop out with suction grabbers and stick back on with magnetic holds. What can be easier for Apple than offering a matte glass option. Apple would increase sales and make a lot of people happier. Apple could offer retrofits for older macs and have yet an additional little revenue stream.
Apple would show that it cared about its matte-wanting customers who have reflected long and hard on this matte(r). Apple needs to reflect on its glossy only approach; that’s not hard to do because that’s what shiny glossy does.
I have been buying and using Macs starting with a 128K in 1984. I have ALWAYS used Matte screens — third-party, Apple’s first Cinema Display with my lovely Cube, various Mac laptops including my current MacBook Pro, and at work, a 30″ Display with a Mac Pro.
I am a professional computer scientist. I write code, courses, books, personal utilities, etc., so I’m on the computer most of the day and much of the evening. In the past few years I have been doing digital photography too. When in front of a glareful glossy screen I feel like I am being physically attacked, and really can’t work at one for very long.
I have been disturbed for a long time to watch the options for Macs with matte screens narrowing. When I saw the specs for the new iMacs I figured I’d buy one of the 27″ i7′s, since how much more of a computer could I possibly need? (My first yielding to a “consumer-level” Mac.) But then I realized I couldn’t get a matte screen with one, and the dream faded very quickly.
Were I to by a MacBook Pro today, which I might do instead of the iMac, I would gladly pay the small extra charge for the matte screen. Why can’t I do that with an iMac — replacing the screen on the iMac is much easier than on a laptop; it only takes the right suction cups and a few minutes, and a little care with the magnets.
I always custom-order my Macs via the Apple Store, so I don’t really care whether physical stores carry Macs with matte screens. But matte screens should be available.
I suppose Apple figures if it holds out against the years of outcry just a little longer, no-one will have a choice anymore and will give in and accept non-matte screens. That would do a significant disservice to many of Apple’s customers.
I’d buy a new MacBook or MacBook Pro 13 inch if it were offered in matte. I’m still currently using my MacBook G4 with its beautiful 14-inch matte screen. I will not buy a glossy product, and I can’t afford the prices for the larger 15″ and 17″ screens. Why offer only matte on the larger screens? I want to upgrade, but can’t because of the glossy screens. I’ve actually started to look into Microsoft Windows PCs with matte screens, and I’d hate going that route but I may have to because Apple doesn’t offer matte in a low cost model.
Apple, please bring back the matte screen and the white casing. It looks sooo much nicer. Why not just offer both?
My eyes are very sensitive to strong light so I usually dim any screen I use. What happens when I dim my MacBook Pro’s glossy screen? I get reflections. Tilting the screen does not help. The only solution is to crank up the screen brightness and hurt my eyes.
Now, I can only work on my MacBook Pro when I connect to an external anti-glare, matte Samsung monitor.
Everytime I stop by an Apple store, I try an iMac but don’t end up buying one because of the glossy screen. The same goes to the MacBook Air.
I love Macs but the glossy screen causes me endless frustration every day. I’m a graphic designer and I work on an iMac at work. I have a constant struggle with glare and colour on the screen. The same colour looks different at the top of the screen than how it does at the bottom! It’s incredibly frustrating. Yes, glossy looks prettier but these machines are work tool and they need to function accordingly!
A big hear hear from me!
As a professional using MacBook Pros on a daily basis I can tell you that the glossy screen is a major issue in the photography industry that is driving vast numbers of people away from Apple.
Apple, please fix the issue and offer matte screens again.
On the same topic, offering matte screens on the iPad may be a good thing too.
+1
I am being forced to buy an overpriced Mac Mini as I will not buy an iMac with a glossy screen.
I can not use glossy displays either, as my work environments have a lot of windows or artificial lighting.
I can not for the life of me understand why Apple is neglecting the matte desktop display market. Even if we’re only 20-40% of the total users, it still doesn’t make sense to me. Not only can we matte lovers not buy a matte Apple display, we also can not buy their mid-range consumer iMac. So we are confined to getting Mac Minis or Mac Pros with 3rd party matte display. Apple’s strategy doesn’t make any sense to me.
I have bought many Apples with matte displays in the past, from the polycarbonate 22″ and 23″ ADCs to the 23″ aluminum ones. But now all my 23″ aluminum displays are dead and the polycarbonate displays take up too much space and have old ADC connectors. I love Apple design, but during the past year, I have been forced to buy 3 new matte displays from Hewlett Packard and Eizo instead. However, I would have preferred to buy them from Apple. Why don’t Apple want my money? I’m certainly not the only one who prefers matte. And if the iMac was available in matte, I would have bought two of those instead of keeping the old Macs and buying new displays.
I’ve probably spent around 100K on Apple products over the years, and this strategy of theirs is definitely making me spend a lot less going forward than I would like to. I have the cash, but Apple stopped making the products I want. That seems just crazy to me.
People love Apple’s design and are willing to pay a premium for it. I can’t see how they could not make more money if they re-introduced the matte desktop displays and iMacs. The new iPad 2 is available in 16 different configurations. So the argument for streamlining their product line does not hold up either.
Last, the display is the MOST important part of the computer experience. After all, that’s what we stare at for hours every day. Making sure that every customer can get a display that suits his or her needs and wants, should, in my opinion, be a top priority for any PC company. Thank god at least the MacBook Pro is still available with a matte display.
Petition signed: I work as a graphic designer, and working on a glossy iMac in a sunny room is a nightmare. I end up having to take my work home to redo the colours on my PC in the evenings.
Re: Apple’s focus
Matte screens are just not another good idea — to be discarded because of Apple’s legendary focus.
It is a problem with an *existing product*
A problem that causes severe working problems for users, i.e. headaches, problems for photographers, graphic designers etc.
I suspect Steve Jobs dismisses the matte-pleas with his “we-got-to-focus” paradigm.
Rather, Apple needs to start seeing this as a problem with the existing product which is causing problems for 10-30% of users.
This is not a focus issue. This is a design problem of an existing product that affects 10-30% of Apple users. Our eyes hurt. Graphic designers and photographers can’t do their jobs. Writers, like me, who stare at screens 10-12 hours a day, suffer from the gloss.
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Quote:
“Jobs outlined Apple’s intense focus during an interview with Fortune in 2008. “Apple is a $30 billion company, yet we’ve got less than 30 major products. I don’t know if that’s ever been done before. Certainly the great consumer electronics companies of the past had thousands of products. We tend to focus much more. People think focus means saying yes to the thing you’ve got to focus on. But that’s not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully,” Jobs said.”
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/05/17/steve_jobs_to_nike_ceo_get_rid_of_the_crappy_stuff.html
Can you back up you 10-30% numbers. I think if you could Apple would definitely take notice and this would be all but a done deal. We need fact not hyperbole.
jOhn
As Walter Brennan used to say on the “The Guns of Will Sonnett” – ‘No brag, just fact’.
Hi John
See this review of poll results.
http://macmatte.wordpress.com/review-of-glossy-matte-poll-results/
Even if, as some argue, the percentages are skewed from real life by virtue of the type of people who answer online polls, the fact is, even if the rations were to be tempered accordingly, the poll results still point to a lot of people wanting matte screens. Even if it were 10%, that percentage of total Mac users is a lot of people.
regards
If Steve Jobs sat for 8 hours straight in front of a glossy screen debugging code, he would have left us a choice for matte screen monitors.
I need matte
I have been using a MacBook Pro with the matte screen for the past two years. I am a designer and was online just now building a new iMac, that is until I realized the only option is the glossy display. I can not work on these glossy screens and will not buy one.
I was going to buy the new iMac and a Cinema Display, but because of their glossy screens I will have to look for something else.
It’s sad I cannot buy one of the new iMacs because they have the very reflective mirror displays.
I need a 24″ Apple LED Cinema Display, but I want it matte and silver — not glossy and black!
I love my present 23″ HD Cinema Display, but it’s getting old and is not LED.
When I needed to replace my iMac G5 last winter, I went with the new 27” iMac thinking I’d be able to manage ok even though I did not care for the glossy screen. It has been the biggest waste of money I have ever made. It is next to impossible see through all the glare during the day. Lights on behind or overhead at night do the same thing. I also don’t care for the over-saturated colours — as a photographer, the glossy colors are not true. Fortunately, I use Datacolor’s Spyder system to calibrate my display and printer so it’s not a HUGE issue, but still, the colours don’t look right with such intense saturation.
It’s sad Apple no longer seems to listen or care about the end user … the decision to do away with matte displays was one of the stupidest moves Apple have ever made. I am currently trying to pull together the cash to buy a Mac Pro and a Wacom Cintiq 21” display tablet.
I don’t know how Apple expect those of us working in graphics/photography to use these glossy displays. They are HORRIBLE! I’ll never buy or recommend an iMac or another Apple display unless and until Aple bring the option of a matte screen back. I was once a HUGE Apple supporter, but now I have been VERY vocal in my displeasure at this glossy display, and Apple’s seeming indifference to what loyal customers want.
I have an iMac and the screen is far too glossy. Next time round I’ll buy a Windows PC instead of a Mac if there isn’t a matte option.
The glossy screen reflects light which gives me a real headache.
I want a matte screen and will not buy an iMac until it is available with one.
I do print graphic design and need true colors for accurate color managment work.
Get on the stick, Apple, or watch me spend my money elsewhere.
Apple, please provide a matte option on iMacs! Laptops aren’t the only computers exposed to glare-inducing light!
I’m with y’all on the matte option. As long as you’ve got Apple’s attention, please suggest to them that they should offer the matte screen as an option for all laptops, not just the larger ones. I’m a photographer and hate carrying a large laptop around, but the only way I can get a matte screen is with the 15″ and larger Macbook Pros, not the 13″ Pro or any of the svelte Air models.
Whoever it was at Apple that assumed that pros want to schlep around an enormous block of a metal laptop in addition to all their other gear likely never actually bothered to talk to any pro shooters who travel beyond their studios. When one’s travel camera bag approaches 50 lb., the last thing you want to do is add another 6 lb. of laptop.
Glossy screens also give unreliable results for editing photos; what you see on a glossy screen is artificially contrasty and darker than what will appear on a device with a matte screen, let alone in print, even when everything is properly calibrated.
Matte screens all around, I say, please, and thank you.
Apple, please make matte screens available on all your computers! Although I always buy the professional level laptops from you for my own use, my kids complain about their small laptop glossy screen. I’ve been forced to darken part of the house specifically for iMac and glossy screen laptop use – and that’s just ridiculous!
Allow me to be a professional in a well-lit area, yes?
Ivan
The thing I have always liked least about my iMac is the glossy screen. It was the size of the 27 inch screen that got me to buy it without really thinking it through and, to be honest, it took a few months before I really noticed. And then, of course, I began to notice it on my iPhone, which I use as a e-reader more than a phone or even a browser. Of the two things that might persuade me to upgrade, when and if, a matte screen is primary. In fact, a large part of the reason I returned the iPad I bought, and took the restocking fee hit, was that all that glossiness was just too much for me.
Bob
I am forced to endure the glossy screen on my MacBook Pro.
I ~~LOATHE~~ it
When in my office and at home I use a MATTE large screen and turn my laptop away. I hate the f*****g glossy screen so much. These external monitors are A$1,200 and $950 respectively. Neither are Mac displays… why? Because they are MATTE.
The spelling here is M A T T E.
I am not buying an iPad for the simple reason I do NOT want yet another glossy screen in my life. Forget it.
I need to upgrade my MacBook Pro.
I will delay as long as possible.
I won’t buy Windows.
But I will delay to the point of pain paying serious money for another device I hate every time I turn it on.
I do NOT want to see my nostrils when watching a movie.
I do NOT want a screen covered in little patches of grease picked up from the keys when I close the lid.
I do NOT want to see every speck of dust when the light is not Just Right.
I do NOT want to have to FIND the Just Right positioning every single time I open up the lid of my expensive laptop.
Apple, do you get this?
Apple, you have turned a product I loved to use into an annoying, nasty piece of shit that annoys me every single time I use it – unless it is plugged into a NON-APPLE DISPLAY.
Apple, pay attention.
The only Mac I have is a 3-year old 15″ MacBook Pro with matte screen (owned by the company I work for). I love it, but I will NOT buy any computer with a glossy screen. Too bad, I’d probably would have bought a MacBook Sir Air if it had a matte screen.
So many people complain about the reflections in their screen, but I find that most don’t realize there’s an alternative. If Apple offered matte screens, then I could easily convert many Windows users – matte screens could be considered a feature!
I’ve just upgraded from a matte-screened iBook to a glossy-screened MacBook, and I’m finding the shiny screen irritating. The reflection of everything behind me is very distracting – any motion naturally attracts my eye and disturbs my concentration.
Bring back the matte.
-G
I own a matte screen MacBook Pro core i7. That was my first Mac. I bought it specifically because:
a) I needed a Mac (you “need” a Mac to develop for iOs, so…)
b) it has the best design in the industry
c) I needed a matte screen (you “need” a matte screen when you have to work – no adjusting, no distraction, no reflection, no nonsense)
I crave for a bigger display (I previously owned a dual screen PC). However, although I really want to buy either an Apple Cinema Display or an iMac, I cannot abide glossy screens. To quote a friend: “at the university we have iMacs, they are gorgeous, however, it’s very hard not to be distracted by what is happening behind you because everything is reflected on the screen”. No way.
I will not buy an Apple display, an iMac or a Mac Pro as long as the only option I have is glossy.
Jamal.
+1
I have not updated my old pre-Intel iMac G5 — which has a lovely matte display — although I have wanted to, because I do not want a glossy screen. Everyone I know who has one has issues with it. I keep hoping that Apple will see the error of its ways and offer the matte option again. I really want to update my computer but will continue waiting for now. Sorry Apple, no sale.
Right now I sit in my mobile home with my glossy MacBook and reflections of all the windows around me drive me crazy. Apple, please offer matte screens again!
Matte matte matte. All the way. The only way.
Glossy screens are the enemy every designer I know.
Glossy screens are so bad that I had to do the unthinkable: I now have a lovely, matte NEC monitor. This is the first non-Mac monitor I have had to buy, but there was just no way I can use a glossy screen for high-end design work and retouching.
Bring back the matte, Apple. It may cost you more, but your “Pro” users will pay for it.
Apple, please make a matte option. One of the reasons I don’t buy Apple products is because of the glossiness. Sure it might be pretty in just the right circumstance, but I find in most realistic situations it just creates too much glare and reflection. This not only causes eye-strain, but it’s just plain hard to see.
I have a Powerbook Pro with matte screen. I’d buy an iMac right now, if it featured matte screens.
Agreed. I have not, nor ever will purchase ANY product with a glossy screen. They are junk. I am still using my 12″ PowerBook G4 for this reason, and have not purchased the following Apple products because of their glossy screens. I realize I can place an anti-glare screen protector on many of these items, but I simply refuse to purchase a product which I consider broken out-of-the-box by an ill-conceived screen; MacBook (several models), iPad (both models), iPhone (have considered each release and not purchased it due to glossy screen). To Apple: your customers tend to be educated and intelligent. Please stop insulting us by pretending that glossy screens are “good”. What are they, cheaper? That’s got to be it.
I have just bought a glossy screen iMac, and I HATE it with a VENGEANCE! It gives me terrible eye strain after a few minutes of use. I honestly don’t know how I will manage to work on it for my usual 6-7 hours a day. I took the front screen off — that helps some — but definitely need to reduce glare MUCH more before I will be a happy camper.
I currently own a 17″ MacBook Pro with MATTE screen, and am in love with it. I would purchase an iMac 27″ right now, if it had a MATTE screen option.
I add my vote for matte screens present on all Apple products.
Have you ever used your laptop on location on a sunny day?
That’s why we NEED matte screens! The optional one must be the glossy screen, not the inverse.
Rob
I am sure there has been enough said, so my voice is just to add that glossy screens are awful and terribly impractical for an average user.
Apple’s stubborn decision to stick to glossy screens is hideous. Most of all the recognition that Apple specifically manipulates matte screen options is appalling. It just goes to show how bloated and prostituted it becomes.
The company can successfully offer matte screen options to the MacBook Pro’s 15″ and 17″, even though for greedily priced option. Yet Apple still want to be anal and absurd to continue limiting the matte screen options.
APPLE, GIVE YOUR CUSTOMERS OPTIONS TO CHOOSE. I am not a photographer, I am not an artist, I don’t care what colour crisp quality will come out. But I want to use the iMac in a sunshine filled room not in the basement, or a MacBook Air outside, not hiding indoors.
Had my all-white 24″ Imac (v.6.1) for about 4 years. Also use for colour critical work a 26″ NEC Spectraview monitor. When it comes round to replacing the iMac in the next year or so, unless Apple will give me the option of a matte screen, I shall buy a Mac Mini and use it in conjunction with the NEC monitor.
Cannot understand Apple’s antipathy over matte screens … is it that they are just listening to their accountants, and not to designers ? It is the designers, after all, who have contributed towards the success of the iMac as a great piece of industrial design.
The reason I love hanging on to my ‘old’ MacBook Pro is the ridiculous glossy screens they fit nowadays. Having to pay extra for a matte screen which used to be standard is just plain stupid.
Apple, bring back matte screens on ALL Macs. Thank you.
Although I have no problem with an iPod or iPhone having a glossy screen, I would like everything from there up to have a matte option since I have severe problems using the glossy equivalents. Thank you!
-P
I don’t want to be dependent on my screen for its (and my) location.
I hate to see myself every morning in the glossy screen when I start work! Apple, please give us the choice between matte and glossy.
Matte screen it is! In fact, I will only buy an iMac to replace my Windows PC if it has a matte screen. I am not buying a MacBook because I find the 15″ too expensive, and the 13″ doesn’t have a matte screen. Did I say I need a matte Mac!?
I would like matte screens in all Macs, not only on MacBook Pro’s as an expensive feature.
I have an iMac (glossy) and a MacBook Pro (matte). I paid extra for the matte screen on the MacBook Pro, because of my photo work. I find the glossy screen just not ‘true’ enough in the way it renders colours. I’ve had to reprint photos a couple of times after I’d done the post-processing on the iMac.
So now I’m back to doing all the work on the smaller matte screen of the MacBook Pro.
I think we should have the choice of having a matte screen on all Macs. IMO it should be the same price as a glossy screen, but if the only solution is to pay extra, than that’s better than not having the option at all.
I want to use a MacBook Air for its compactness. But will soon probably go for a MacBook Pro, simply for the matte screen.
Plain stupid!
I have worked on all sorts of Macs, glossy and matte. My experience: The bigger the screen, the bigger the chance you run into problems with glossy and glass.
My previous laptop was glossy, with a matte Cinema display. That was doable. Now that laptop is replaced by a new one with a matte screen. I like it better. I would really appreciate the option to have a matte screen on an iMac. We are postponing the replacement of our white iMac at home just because the matte option is not available.
Same thing for a Cinema Display. A matte version of that would also be a gem.
I have a matte screen! No extra costs (3 year old MacBook Pro) but now you have to pay more for it? I’m sorry! It’s a simple choice! and it should be free
I bought the last generation of white iMac because the new machines had reflective glossy screens, and I won’t replace it until I can get a computer with an antiglare screen. I have a window behind me and hence a reflective screen would never do.
Matte please!
Hell yea. Bring back the matte screen version. I have an older 17″ G4 Powerbook that’s got a better looking screen than this glossy crap I keep seeing on the newer MacBooks.
I prefer matte!
Harm
(Holland)
Please, Apple, make more matte screens available. I would like to buy a matte iMac.
Joining the movement … matte screen for me, too, please!
Please matte!
Please, please, pretty please, more matte!
I love my 13″ MacBook, but unfortunately I had to buy a Dell external matte monitor so that at least I am not behind a glossy screen the entire day. A matte 13″ MacBook/Air/Pro would be so much better. I don’t understand why Apple offers it as an option on the 15″ MacBook Pro’s, but not on the 13″ model. I also would prefer the matte upgrade to be separate from the resolution upgrade, but anything would be better than nothing.
Apple, Steven Jobs, or any brainy Apple managers, listen, your competition can make glossy screen all-in-one iMac wannabe’s. No one is complaining on the PC side, because users can say, tough luck, I just won’t buy a PC all-in-one. But Macs are different. The iMac is the only affordable desktop available. Charge $50 extra for a matte option and you make yourself a nice profit on the machine. Failure to do so will turn enough loyal users away from Mac OSX altogether. At a very minimal, heck, they’ll just get your lowest profit-making Mac Mini coupled with Dell matte displays and hold a deep grudge against Apple till hell freezes over!
Professionals have spoken, and I believe the majority want matte!!
Most importantly, your loyal base is aging. Act now, offer the matte option again, and your business grows. Ignore them, you do nothing better than prolonging a lose-lose deal. I personally know several professionals who won’t be upgrading their iMacs from fear of the negative effects of glare on their frail eyes. Do the right thing, Apple, and these wise old men and women will put in a good word for you for the next generation to come.
I have been using Macs since the IIfx first appeared and they have always served me well. The only reason I haven’t invested in the latest generation iMac is the impractical glossy screen. I had hoped the latest version of the iMac would at least offer a choice because I have a substantial investment in Adobe Mac software and I love the ever-developing Mac OS. But as it hasn’t, and my friends tell me that Windows 7 is a very satisfactory OS, I am seriously considering switching software platforms. If I have to spend a couple of thousand pounds on new Adobe PC software, I won’t be returning to Apple.
I would love a matte screen on my 13″ MacBook Pro. Still love my older 15″ Aluminum MacBook Pro way more for this reason.
As a photographer and a digital tech, I require matte screens for accurate colour and improved viewing when shooting on-location.
The new glossy/glass displays on the MacBooks give me serious headaches. I’ve had to return my glossy MacBook Pro because of it.
I’m forced to use iMacs with terrible glossy screens at College. I used to love the old matte iMacs before they were replaced with newer glossy screen models. As a photographer the reflections created by the glossy screen make it a nightmare to edit photographs. You absolutely cannot tell accurate exposure, colour, contrast levels etc. with the glossy screens. I can see more of my own face than the photograph! The only use of those terrible screens is as a mirror!
Dear Mac,
I have an amazing white iMac with a professional matte screen. I spend hours on it daily. I am a professional media creator, and love my computer. I am waiting to update it with a similar quality screen.
I cannot use a glossy screen. I need the option to have a non-amateur screen. I am waiting for that option and will buy a new iMac. I have my fingers crossed for the 2012 iMac release with a matte screen.
APPLE, JUST DO THE $%#! MATTE OPTION MAC!!! Charge more, make some money, listen to your customers.
Cheers,
Gough
We LOVE matte!
Do NOT like glossy!
We NEED matte
Can’t work with glossy
Apple, how hard could it be?
GIVE US MATTE!
In Apple’s eyes the iMac is a toy and not to be used for production. It is for consumer use! If you are a oro, you go Pro.
But I still want a matte iMac! I do not want huge noisy Mac Pros around my house!
I love my new 2011, 13″ MacBook Pro, but I am already thinking of selling it as the glossy screen drives me mental! And I can only get the anti glare in the 15″… Why? Why? Simply makes no sense. The 13″ is better for travel – which is when you have no control of lighting around you.
Also, I was about to buy the new 27″ iMac, but now I won’t. If Apple add a matte option to the imac, I would in a heartbeat.
I switched from a MacBook Pro 15 inch with matte screen to a 13 inch model with glare screen, and I don’t like what I see at all! The reflections are really annoying, causing me to only use the laptop in clamshell mode with an external monitor whenever I’m home.
Apple, please provide a matte screen option without extra cost for each model. I’ll be thankful!
As an owner of 27″ iMac with a flaming glossy as hell screen, I can assure you I will be using suction cups to remove the glass screen for general operation because the reflectivity is ridiculous — it’s like I am staring at a mirror. At any point during use, I can refocus my eyes to see a crystal clear reflection of myself. It is distracting … If I’m forced to remove the glass, then in reallity that aspect of Apple’s supposed “genius design” is a failure. No doubt Apple will fix it sometime and release a new iMac in which Apple will claim it is doing us all a favour with its new now non-glossy screens ! and claim it a revolution, but really, fashions or not, Apple should never have introduced glossy screens in the first place. The world doesn’t have infinite resources for Apple to mess around making its designs so incrementally better and releasing a new computer each time. Save up the design goods and lengthen the product cycle and hit us all at once with a large array of obvious improvement – with no one-step-forward-two-back glossy glass rubbish. Don’t go back on good design decisions only to reverse them. Apple is like a council I know with speed humps! — put them in, take them out, and endless cycle. Less reflectivity for screens is better full stop! In a Platonian sense. I may even take my glass panel to a glasier and have him cut out the display section and leave in the border ! By the way, if Apple were to manufacture a glass screen replacement in which a hole was cut through the display portion of the glass, I would buy one. Does the glass serve some other function other than just making the screen extra reflective?
Glossy is great for the decore … BUT if you actually want to work, and not get eye strain and headaches, matte screens are the choice. Apple, bring it back for the iMac.
MacMatte petition mentioned in an article on a Dutch computer website.
http://www.bright.nl/weg-met-de-glossy-schermen
I am extremely unhappy with my Mac’s glossy screen. As a free-lancer, my computer and I often have to be portable — meeting clients in coffee shops, outdoor situations, brightly lit conference rooms.
It makes it literally impossible for me to work in many situations. The glossy screen is more useful as a mirror for putting on make-up for a meeting than it is for using during an actual meeting. My eyes hurt. I’m frustrated. I’m sick and tired of having to sit in the dark in the middle of the day just so I can see what I’m working on.
I refuse to buy another computer with a glossy screen. Period. I’m looking to sell mine as soon as possible.
I use a 2007 iMac at work (matte screen) and a 2009 MacBook Pro at home (glossy), and found significant difficulties with dealing with the glossy screen. It is just too much reflective and is quite harsh on my eyes. I want to upgrade my iMac at some point, but I am NOT going to buy glossy ones any more. I really hate it!
Appalled to find that the new range of iMacs doesn’t have even an expensive option for a matte screen. On what planet, and in what bunker, do these guys at Apple live?
I use a Mac Pro at work and a second-hand Power Mac G5 at home, and both are in need of replacement. As such at the beginning of this year my employer let me try a 2010-revision dual-core 3.6GHz iMac meant for another staff member for a few days at the office and then for a weekend at home.
The result was that in both environments — no matter how much lighting, brightness, and contrast were adjusted — the glossy screen of the iMac was giving me severe eyestrain and severe headaches within half an hour of commencing use. I was willing to try the iMac for a home system because the Mac Mini is too underpowered for my needs/wants, and even the bottom-end quad-core 2.8GHz Mac Pro is too costly. My all-time favourite systems were the Power Mac 8500 and 8600 models as they offered the right balance between price, CPU power, features, and expandability, but there has not been any equivalent in Apple’s lineup for many years. A dual or quad-core iMac with a 2.8GHz or faster i5 or i7 CPU would have been an acceptable compromise, but what kills it for me is the glossy screen — not only because of the eyestrain and headaches, but also because I’m a keen photographer and the glossy screen makes it impossible to obtain or maintain colour fidelity when editing.
I’ve tried building a Hackintosh proof of concept using a Dell Optiplex GX520 test system lying around the office, but as it didn’t work despite much effort and info on http://www.kexts.com/ and other sites suggesting it should, I’m reluctant to go the Hackintosh route myself. I’m still willing to give it a try if no other choice presents itself, but would much rather spend my hard-earned $$ on a genuine Mac.
So my question (or rather plea) to Apple is: please either bring back matte/anti-glare screen options for the iMac, or re-introduce a headless midrange desktop or minitower — something sitting between the Mac Mini and Mac Pro in terms of capability and cost just as the old Power Mac 8500/8600 models did so many years ago.
I point people to this article recently published:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/05/23/glossy-vs-matte-screens-why-the-pc-industrys-out-of-touch/
Then I point to Apple’s upcoming OS X Lion, notice how there is more space around icons, buttons and such to better accommodate a touchscreen OS.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/
Obviously future Mac’s are going to have a touchscreen of some sort, and thus that nulls the possibility of an anti-glare film on the surface of the glass/LCD panel to scatter reflective light.
The top MacBook Pro lines may continue to have anti-glare screen option as they are used for professional work in multiple environments (editing on the scene for instance), but at the sacrifice of not being able to use the touchscreen UI, which I don’t think they will really mind, as their software requires fine control that only a pointer can provide.
The entire computer industry thinks that touchscreen computers are the next big evolutionary step, even Microsoft’s Windows 8 (see it on Youtube) is a touchbased operating system
However there is hope for glossy screen sufferers like myself: there is special glass and acrylic that is altered on the atomic surface level as the substance is produced, thus reducing surface reflections to less than 1%.
This material is more expensive, the process is patented and since China (where Apple’s products are made) wants any company doing business in it’s country to give up it’s intellectual property, doesn’t sound like this material is going to come to Apple products in any short amount of time unless Apple shifts it’s manufacturing operations back to a intellectual property enforcing country. Apple is in China not only to make it’s products, but also to sell them. Which the Chinese government requires companies that want to do business in their country set up manufacturing operating there.
So forces are against glossy screen sufferers, people need to try make do with alternatives.
Yup, this needs to happen. Obviously the demand for matte screens is there if websites like this exist.
Becasue of various eye problems and health issues, I’m completely unable to use a glossy screen. Come on, Apple, you pride yourself on leading the pack. Do something to help the end-user — bring back the matte screen … so that we can all benefit
Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/05/23/glossy-vs-matte-screens-why-the-pc-industrys-out-of-touch/
The writer of the PC Pro article said: “Speaking as someone who use a glossy screen laptop every day, I’m constantly irritated by the reflections cast across my screen by the overhead strip lighting in the office and, worse still, the sunlight making my screen near unwatchable on the train to and from the office.”
Apple, it is intolerable and presumptuously arrogant of you to create such unthinkable hardships for us – Apple’s Loyal fans and users. I need to upgrade both my iMac and laptop but will not do so with gloss (mirror) screens. Stupendously stupid for an organization that should know better.
I work in the print industry, and need a matte screen. Matte screens are closer to the finished printed product and, as a result, far superior for color calibration. The glossy screens are just too hard to do accurate color grading as you’re always having to make unknown adjustments to images and colors. Plus I hate the glare and brightness on the eyes.
My plan was to convert from PC to Mac. I figured out how to do it with minimum pain and disruption. I went to the Apple store to view the hardware. I saw the glossy screens reflecting everthing in sight. The staff tried to convince me that glossy is OK pretended that they thought there was a matte option. Under pressure they changed their minds. I walked out Macless. The plan is now to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 on a high spec PC laptop
Yeah: Windows 7 goes a long way in making Windows a viable alternative to OSX. Plus, you can have whatever display you like.
A few years ago, many graphic designers worked on the iMac. In Poland, it was a great product for designers (the price to quality). Today, nobody buys the iMac because it only has a glossy screen option!
Apple, please offer screen options in matte!
Hello all, Patrick Steen here from Which?. We’re very interested in the demand for matte screens, and referenced your petition on our website. Our latest reviewed batch of laptops only included one with a diffuse screen, so there’s certainly a lack of them.
We want to know what people think and if there’s a big enough call for their return we’ll use our clout at Which? to take this straight to the manufacturers (we have done similar with bringing viewfinders back to compact digital cameras). Please come and comment and vote in our poll if you’d like us to do something about this!
http://www.whichconversation.co.uk/technology/matte-screens-glossy-shiny-laptops-computer-pc-mac/
Thanks
The Which? website’s matte vs glossy poll yielded the following result: 89% prefer matte. If you compare this with the , it is a consistent result. Lots of people want matte screens. Now, there are arguments that such online polls are skewed by virtue of the people who read such articles and answer such polls. Okay, let’s run with that argument. If it were true, then even if 89% were to be tempered somewhat, the adjusted figure would still indicate a lot of people want matte screens.
Not offering a matte option at least on all MacBook Pro models is one of those Apple design oddities that I have never been able to understand. Matte, simply, is required for image work.
Given the volumes of laptops that Apple builds, it must be easy and affordable for Apple to offer matte built-to-order options.
I also want to switch to the Mac platform from PC and Linux, to do my photo work, but can’t do this because the iMac doesn’t have a screen that suits serious photo editor needs. I won’t pay twice for the iMac screen and for the additional expensive matte external monitor to start normal work! I’m a very experienced computer user (sysadmin for many years). That’s the reason why many people around me – those who are photographers and simple users – ask me to help them choose a new computer, and I still cannot completely advise them to chose the iMac because of the ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE glare from the glossy screen!!!
There is another problem for me, namely that the iMac and other Apple products have very few options to customize the computer to your needs, but the biggest problem is the glare screen !!!
The only reason that I DON’T LIKE Apple is their politics towards their existing or potential customers. Apple only do what they think is right, and they absolutely ignore customer feedback and requests !!!
At the very least, Apple, offer the matte screen as a build-to-order option on ALL models, including the 27″ displays. Even if it needs to cost us a little extra, make it an option. Please. I’m a graphics professional, and I HATE the glossy screen. I know the glossy screen creates a sharper appearance of details, but it also lowers the accuracy of color, creates eye strain and headaches.
FIrst off, I love my iMac, but my wife is about to can it because it is killing her eyes and gives her really bad headaches because of the horrible glare from it. I love looking out my front windows but not while trying to read/look at things on the iMac. Apple, please add the option of purchasing the iMac with a matte finish just as you do with the MacBook Pro, which I also have. Or at least provide an option of replacing the glass with a matte finish.
At work I’ve been using a 27″ iMac for 5 months now. I do photo re-touching for 8 hours a day. Since I started using it I’ve hard severe headaches due to the glare from the glossy screen. When I go home it looks like I’ve been smoking weed as my eyes are so red- I can’t watch TV or play games after work as I have a constant headache until my weekend when I get a rest from this stupid glossy screen. I’ve now given up the iMac, even though I liked using it, as I could no longer put up with the headaches and sore eyes. Just went back to a PC with an Eizo monitor – instantly my headaches are gone! I don’t care if Apple goes all gloss in the future as they can go screw themselves. I hate Apple for the pain it’s caused me over the past 5 months. It seems to me that Apple does not care what their customers want, therefore, they can go F themselves in the A
I recently returned an iMac to the Apple store because the screen was too shiny. I’ve now bought a second hand Apple Cinema Display and a second hand MacBook Pro, both with lovely matte screens.
Please Apple, bring back matte.
We have a 17″ MacBook Pro with a glossy screen which is great for some purposes but, for myself as a photographer, I much prefer matte screens which give a much truer (IMHO) representation of what the final print will look like. I would love to buy the 27″ iMac but will not do so unless/until there is an option for a matte screen. C’mon Apple, how difficult would it be to make matte screens an option on the iMacs. As a long time user of Macs (25 years plus) I really don’t want to have to buy a screen from another manufacturer, but will if I have to.
Due to productivity and health concerns, our University has decided to purchase only matte displays, which means that some Apple products are not allowed. Apple should offer matte displays for standalone displays and iMacs at least as an option.
As a photographer and graphic designer the matte screen is a must. High resolution for detail and matte to avoid light reflections in the room that the CPU occupies. A dark room will get rid of the reflections, and eventually your eyesight due to strain!
We have not bought an iMac since the screens went glossy. Our last iMacs were G5′s, which is a while ago now. We have bought lots of Mac Minis which are set up with non-Apple matte screens. My personal office machine is a Mac Pro which uses the last of the matte Apple monitors. This is quite a lot of Macs. The problem is the laptops which are mainly only available in glossy. It’s horrible, tiring and and impractical and we hate it. I have a matte screen protector on my iPhone (as do the rest of us at home). I don’t know what research Apple based their change to glossy-only screens, but about the only thing glossy screens are good for is watching movies or adjusting your tie. If you want to do some actual work with a glossy screen, forget it.
I am running both Apple and Microsoft currently but am hoping to run only Apple in the near future. However, I am hampered by the glossy screen debate. I have always felt that Apple have a logical, common sense approach to both their hardware and software elements. So please, Apple, supply computers with a MATTE screen – more especially your MacBook Airs which probably tend to be used variously either inside or outside – and don’t allow me to feel let down.
Add my vote to matte screens because they’re healthier than the glossy screens and they’re also beautiful
Costumers have to get a choice. Some people can get by without antireflection coating on theirs glasses. But most people value viewing without unneeded glare, if they have enough money to buy glasses with antireflection coating. The comparison will convince everyone of the improvement! In most of the leading industrial nations there are recommendations to purchase glasses with antireflection coating. This will protect workers against headaches, tired eyes, and eye-flickering, especially recommended for screen handling.
So why doesn’t Apple give people the choice for better screen viewing. The company would also earn more money if the coating-possibility was available for iMacs, MacBooks or MacBook Pros.
So Apple: Give your customers the choice!!
I have a 1 year old 27″ iMac, I work as a portrait retoucher and the shiny screen drives me mad. It seems to illogical for Apple to not offer an alternative. I have a beautiful office with windows looking out to trees but work with the blinds closed as the reflections are so bright – like a mirror.
I wish I’d never bought this model.
I’ve seriously considered popping the glass off but am afraid that the screen static would attract dust to a surface not meant to be cleaned.
I will not buy another mac until the glossy screen is gone.
The MacMatte petition mentioned in this Techrepublic article:
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/letter-to-the-editor-the-dark-side-of-apples-power-of-no/8576
I have delayed the purchase of iMacs for 3 years – because of the glossy screen. I have made comments to Apple and to Apple store employees – to no avail since the 2011 iMac is still glossy. Steve Jobs must be getting old – and narrow minded and stubborn. It’s an amazing U-turn in terms of evolution. Not so long ago, Apple insisted on offering the best and most innovative components. Now, DisplayPort aside, Apple is shunning USB 3.0 and BluRay. Meanwhile, I must reckon that Microsoft’s Windows OS is improving. I have even heard Mackies make positive comments about Windows 7! Is Apple doing its best to lose its tiny share of the home computer market? It does look like Apple’s sole interest is now in mobile devices. Too bad for us, the “end users”…
Hardforum petition. 52% prefer matte outright.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1589349
I’d much rather have the choice to have a matte screen if I wanted it, than no choice at all.
I have a MacBook Pro 17″ with a matte screen. I would like to invest in an Apple Cinema display to supplement my photographic work. I require a matte screen. Apple’s new 27″ does not offer this matte option. I will not be purchasing one but instead will continue looking for a used 30″ with a matte screen.
I have two Mac computers from 2006 — a 17″ iMac and a 15″ MacBook Pro,
both with matte screens. I am ready to replace them with a new 27″ iMac and a new 13″ MacBook Pro, but refuse to do so, until Apple offers them both with a matte screen.
Recently, I bought a 15″ MacBook Pro with the matte screen and love it, but I wanted the 13″, but there is no matte option. I also have an older 27″ Cinema Display with a matte screen that I use for illustration. I will have to replace it in the near future, but I will only buy a monitor with a matte screen, even if I’m forced to buy a non-Apple product. I paid the extra $150 for the matte screen on the 15″ MacBook Pro, so I will also pay an additional price for a monitor that has a matte screen, so I don’t know what Apple’s problem is. Bring the matte option to all Apple products. There’s a great need for it.
Count me in. Matte.
Apple, don’t worry … you aren’t the only PC manufacturer in the world.
Personally, I think matte should be standard, and the glossy be the extra cost option.
I moved from PC to Mac over the Vista debacle. I now have a 13″ MacBook, a 24″ iMac, and a 15″ MacBookPro. The only one of these that I use for editing photographs is the MacBook Pro. Why? Because it has a matte screen.
I have just bought an Eizo monitor to plug into it. Why? Because it has a matte screen. And it gives me the size I miss from the iMac.
The glossy-screen desktop (iMac) is only used these days for email and web surfing.
When the time comes to replace the desktop, I will almost certainly be moving back to the PC camp since Microsoft appears to have got its act back together with Windows 7. Unless of course, the iMac comes with an antiglare screen by then. But Apple will need to hurry. I like OSX, despite a few glitches, but the lack of a reasonable matte screen is a dealbreaker.
I’m receiving my MacBook Pro 13″ today. I’m excited, but a part of me is discontented about the glossy screen. I had no choice to buy it because I love Macs and do not like the idea of lugging around a 15 incher wherever I go. Apple SHOULD provide a matte screen option!!!
One more vote for matte screens!
I own and use a 2006 24″ iMac with a matte screen and love the matte screen for my photography and graphic design work. I have had it since new and absolutely love my iMac. The specs on the new iMacs are very impressive and extremely fast compared to my iMac and would like to upgrade, but I detest the glossy screens – I absolutely hate them. I prefer a matte screen for critical colour work, as well as it being better for the eyes, and will not upgrade to a new Mac unless Apple ships a Mac with a matte screen. I know I am not alone on this – Macworld magazine also shares my views on this debate and most people I have spoken to in the creative industry also hate the glossy screens. I guess we are stuck with glossy screens for now, but I’m sticking with my beautiful white iMac that has a superior screen!
I am in agreement with the above – I have a Mac Pro – but I believe that in the future Apple will pay the price for not looking at the requests of those users who find the glossy screen unbearable. I would welcome a screen without the glare.
I own a matte screen 15″ MacBook Pro, which I currently use at my desk in combination with a notebook stand, but if Apple made a 27″ non-glare display, I would buy it immediately for the additional screen real estate.
For the 15″ and 17″ MacBook Pros, I do praise Apple for yielding to the pleas of the 10′s of thousands who signed a similar petition a couple of years ago after Apple initially released those unibody MacBook Pros with only the “glarebook” screen. It is definitely worth the up-charge for the matte, non-glare option on the MacBook Pro and would be just as terrific on a large stand alone display!
Apple, please add the option for matte for your other computers. Yes the gloss may look better but you should at least give people the choice to choose one. I’m sure more people would buy it if they had matte.
The screen glare is what I least like about my iMac. My previous white iMac with its matte screen was SO much easier on the eyes.
Come on Apple, for goodness sake stop being so bloody minded about it and give us the option for a matte screen. Is this really so difficult? Geez.
My work involves a lot of retouching/visualisation in Photoshop, and the glossy screens make this impossible.
Working with layer masks etc. involves working with black screens, where you have to be able to tell the difference between 99% and 100% black. This is impossible when all you can see is your own face squinting back at you.
If I need to buy a matte Dell screen, I might as well just buy the CPU and Microsoft Windows to go with it?
It is a health issue. No matte, no purchase. No discussion. Full stop.
I moved my office because of glare (I now have one with no windows, and that I can keep dark). The MacBook Pro I bought later has a matte screen. Thankfully, I had that option.
I want to use an iMac — but I can’t because of the glare. Oh Apple…help! Please offer matte screens!
I am a graphic designer and work in an office with windows on two walls. There is absolutely no way to reduce the light in the room enough to see what’s on the glossy screen. It’s actually easier to see the people and building behind me than it is to see the files I’m working on in Adobe InDesign. Even if eye strain weren’t an issue, I’d still prefer a matte screen so I could actually see what I’m making.
Apple, please make a matte option for the iMac. As it is, you’ve lost my business. I was so turned off by the glossy screen and Apple’s general lack of consideration for consumer’s needs that I bought a Windows PC for home use. I was nervous about switching operating systems, but now that I’m used to both, I greatly prefer doing design work on my PC.
Apple, make an anti-glare screen for iMacs before you lose even more customers.
I have three older MATTE iMacs and won’t replace them with newer iMacs until I can get MATTE screens on them. I love Apple but I am deferring purchases until the new iMacs have MATTE. If and when my old iMacs die, I will replace them with Mac Mini’s and multiple non-Apple external 24 inch MATTE screens. That is money I’d rather give to Apple. Tom
I know that the shiny glass prevents Macs from looking like lesser machines when compared to other cheap PCs with shiny displays in stores. But please Apple, you could have an available-online-only free option to buy hardware with matte displays for those of us who really want it. It wouldn’t hurt your in-store allure and it would be REALLY appreciated by those of us who are serious about color representation and accuracy (and for all the other advantages frequently stated).
In most lighting, glossy screens are either annoying or downright unusable, whereas matte screens still look good. Although glossy screens do look noticeably better than matte in the right lighting, though matte screens still provide acceptable quality in such lighting.
If the goal is to provide a positive user experience, then matte screens obviously provide CONSISTENT good performance that glossy screens can’t provide. Not Apple’s fault, not LG’s, not Obama’s [chuckles]. It’s simple optics.
A more realistic solution might be to simply offer the matte screen as an option. Apple currently only does this for its 15″ and 17″ MacBook Pros, however, and at a significant $150 premium for a “feature” that used to be standard on all devices just a few years ago. Apple provides options for a white and a black iPhone, for example; why not just let the customer decide whether he/she wants matte or glossy? Heck, I wouldn’t mind waiting an extra week for my shipment to arrive if it meant I got the matte screen.
Now, I’m going to provide a solution that is so logical that it will sound crazy. If the glossy screen is indeed better, (which, according to Apple, is true) make consumers pay MORE for the glossy screen. That’s right! Make Apple laptops matte by default, and make the glossy screen a reasonably-priced upgrade (say, $50) for the users who want it. Here’s what will happen, using Apple’s own belief that the majority of consumers prefer glossy screens:
1. Apple’s profits will increase substantially when the matte screen demographic which avoided Apple products before now begin purchasing Apple laptops. Their perception of value will be high since they are receiving matte screens (which used to be standard) at no extra cost.
2. Apple’s profits reach Mars when the majority, people who like glossy screens, end up paying a little bit extra for something Apple used to provide for free. Think about it! if someone was willing to pay $1200 for a MacBook Pro with a glossy screen, they will definitely pay $1250 for it! Why? Because it’s a Mac, and there’s nothing better! So, $50 extra revenue times the 15-million+ number of glossy Macs sold = approximately infinity billion dollars.
So let’s see… Apple sells more Macs overall because it gains access to the consumers who will only buy matte screens, equaling greater profit. Apple sells at least the same number of glossy Macs because users won’t be discouraged from a minor price increase, AND Apple’s profits go up even further because of the sale of the glossy screen as an option.
Thus, I have resolved the glossy/matte debate. Apple can now please ALL consumers and increase its profit.
Don’t worry, Mr. Jobs. I’ll let you take my idea and tell it to the board of directors as your own. All I ask is that you send me a MacBook Pro. Matte, of course.
Vote Parsa Jabbari for President in 2032.
Yes, Apple, please offer matte screens on the iMacs and all MacBook Pro models. Also, please don’t make the matte screen a higher-resolution screen. Folks with aging eyes prefer lower resolution screens so fonts can be larger and read more easily. Thanks. Lucile.
I use my Mac computer for image manipulation and I desperately need to upgrade from my G4 iBook. I wish to buy a new iMac, but cannot and will not do so unless I can get a matte screen. Any glare causes me a tremendous amount of eye discomfort and eventually eye pain. I find the reflectiveness of gloss screens unbearable. It conflicts with what I had believed about Apple as a company to find out it does not look after lifelong customers in this way and has no respect for personal choice in this matter. How arrogant to treat so many long term supporters like this when the need many people have for matte screens is so obvious. (Australia)
Well, damn! I was just getting excited about the new 27″ iMac, knowing that its improvements will be even better in a Mac Pro by the end of the year. My ambient light is much too bright for a glossy screen, and now I have no choice about sticking with my old unit. That is too bad. I’ve been using Macs for eighteen years. Maybe it’s time to break down and buy a Windows PC. Jeez, what am I saying?!? I use PCs at work. They’re all crap and need to be replaced every two years. But, if I want to get a new computer, I’ve got to have a screen I can see. So, buy the Mac Pro and buy an off-brand matte screen? That’s too bad, too. Apple’s got great color accuracy, but if I can’t see the glossy screen, what use is it? Wake up, Apple, and SMELL THE PIXELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! J
Dear Apple,
I am not one to want to write these kinds of comments, however, I have astigmatism, and glossy screens give me eyestrain that is quite acute. I am the proud owner of a MacBook Pro 15″ that has a matte screen. It’s the greatest computer I have ever owned. Our household has iMac’s, a 13 inch MacBook Pro and we have 3 iPhones. I would pay substantially more for a matte screen over a glossy screen. So when I upgrade to the next generation Mac I would love it to have a matte screen. If it does not, I will be very sad.
Yours faithfully,
Gordon
I just thought I’d point out how ridiculous it is that Apple seems to be responding so quickly to the complaints of the new MacBook Air users who are lacking their back-lit keyboards that were standard on previous models. Not that it isn’t a legitimate complaint from Mac users – I love the back-lit keyboard feature on my MacBook Pro.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/12/backlit-keyboard-to-return-in-new-macbook-air/
But what I REALLY love, is my MATTE SCREEN. What I would love even MORE is the ability to buy a new iMac with a matte screen, or an Apple Cinema Display with a matte screen to use as an extension monitor. I keep holding off on buying a third-party monitor, hoping Apple will respond to our countless requests. I wait, and wait, …and wait. I can actually FEEL myself getting older!
Why is Apple continuing to ignore this most important feature, a feature of paramount importance to anyone concerned with good eye-health? – especially anyone in the graphics or video editing community, an Apple community that considers good eye-health and maintaining good vision during extremely long hours of project work absolutely essential. Come on Apple… Por Favore?
To me it’s just incredible that a supposedly technically advanced company like Apple largely opts for glossy-only displays, particularly for large screens as in iMacs.
Not even a relatively darker user’s room can solve the situation, because many windows and applications usually have some or most of its inner background darker.
Reflection, static or dynamic, can be very eye-annoying and disturbing. In my case it was the single really strong reason against buying an iMac.
All this is very disappointing for me as customer, and makes me quite unconfident with Apple: if the company has profit as the single driving force, where else will I later find myself being deceived?
If, as sometimes put forward, there are matte coverings as solution, why don’t Apple shops offer this “upgrade”, maybe to be bought later, when the customer finds the glossy screen uncomfortable? Again, in my opinion, Apple is not playing very fair in this game.
(Spain)
Apple, please have a matte option … Serious photographers work hours together, and the glossy display really hurts!
Designers need matte displays, not glossy ones … When, Apple? Please…
Apple has proven, with its refusal to listen to photographers and graphic designers who demand anti-glare displays, that it no longer cares about its professional user base.
Apple have further confirmed this by releasing a new “Pro” app with half the professional functionality of its predecessor completely missing.
I, like many of you, am deeply saddened by this slow changing of the tides.
No. It’s more than that. I am angry.
Angry that the same professionals who Apple owes for its very survival through the mid-90s are now being completely ignored.
Angry that Apple would spend more than a decade developing and improving a professional platform and winning over thousands of professional users, only to completely give them all the shaft and pull that platform out from under their feet with Final Cut Pro X. (No more FCP7 licenses; in a few years no more installed base: this is Apple’s QuarkXPress).
And, mark my words, Logic is next.
“Actual professional users don’t shift as much product, so cut out the professional features. They’re too complicated anyway. We don’t need pro users.”
Hardcore Windows users have always sneered at Macs as over-simplistic toys. (The irony, historically, was that Macs were the better professional tool for pretty much any task in creative fields.) Well, you know what? Those Apple-haters are finally being proven right.
The Macintosh was once the platform that creative professionals flocked to. Because Macs were a joy to use and got things done the right way; Macs were the proper tool whereas Wintel boxes were for people who didn’t know better.
Those people who don’t know any better are now Apple’s target audience. And I’m not sure if we can do anything about it.
Apple, you need to reconsider making your 27″ displays with a matte finish. I’m about to upgrade my 30″ display and would consider an Apple display, were it not available in glossy only. As it stands now, I will not be buying one of your display solely because of this. Another company will be getting my money because of this issue. It is that important to me!
It should be an embarrassment to both Steve Jobs and to Apple that real creative professionals need to turn elsewhere, such as Dell to purchase a proper monitor! Come on Apple and get off your butt and make this right before you lose this segment of the market. And while you are at it, don’t you think that it is about bloody time that you update some of your hardware such as the Mac Pro, Mac-Mini, MacBook, etc? It is downright shameful.
My eyes are fine, but the bottom line is – it’s annoying. I work with iMovie a lot, which has a dark interface, which increases the reflections. It’s tough to focus on what’s on the screen when there are things being reflected by it too.
I have a (glossy) MacBook Pro 15″. I *really* want a MacBook Air, but it looks like I’ll be forced to get a (matte) MacBook Pro 15″ when I upgrade. I am delaying this upgrade as long as possible, hoping and hoping. Apple is leaving money on the table.
I wold *love* to have a Cinema Display to connect to my laptop but will NOT buy a glossy screen. My office at work has large windows and the reflections would kill me. So I have a NEC matte monitor. Apple is leaving money on the table.
I was planning to buy an iMac for my office (so I wouldn’t need to use my MacBook Pro for everything). But as long as the iMac is glossy-screen-only, I will not. Apple is leaving money on the table.
As a photographer, I would like matte/non-glare option on Apple displays, from laptops to stand-alone displays.
This website/petition and SUPPORT COMMUNITY for LIFE LONG MAC USERS who are COMPLETELY DISGUSTED with Apple is LONG OVERDUE.
I am so glad I found this site. I will use the links offered here, and hopefully find a quality large matte screen. Of course it will NOT be a Mac, and I have NEVER used anything BUT Apple in the past—-time for a change.
I have been disgusted with Apple’s increasingly stupid decisions when it comes to the glossy screens and the keypads.
I chose the matte screen for my 15 inch MacBook Pro, but now I want a large HD screen to use with it. To my surprise, the 27 inch monitor now offered DOES NOT COME IN MATTE. I am at this moment using a matte 30 inch Cinema Display that we bought around 2005 that we use here with the G5. I now need a separate large screen for my laptop.
I write. That’s what I do.
I will always remember the look of shock when the 13-year-old Apple sales guy asked me (when I was trying to decide what size MacBook Pro to buy), “How are you going to use your new laptop?”
I replied, “I will be writing for at least 4 to 5 hours a sitting.”
He looked at me like I was from another planet.
What would he have thought if I told him I sometimes spend 8 hours typing?
It is clear to me that Apple couldn’t give two craps about writers, and clearly has no concept of what it means to sit for many hours at a stretch typing and staring at a screen.
Carpal tunnel? Wrist problems? Eyestrain?
I guess Apple thinks that all Mac users are 20 years old with perfect vision who “type” with their thumbs, or the wrong fingers, in brief intervals using keypad short hand, “R U there? Wa 4?” And spend most of their free time playing video games.
Well, yes, America has gone to sh** , but there is still Intelligent Life on the planet who do a lot more than that, even if the Intelligent Life may also twit and play video games.
The Apple KEYPADS have gone to crap, but I managed to buy an “OLD” (about 5 years) leftover Apple keypad that is NOT the stupid “cool” UNCOOL chiclet style that my Macbook Pro has.
My only other option was to spend a lot of money on so-called “ergonomic” keyboards. Keys SHOULD “travel” just a bit, and be spaced enough so the fingers are held comfortably open, and not all scrunched up. This enables a typist to type really fast and hit the correct keys even if they hit the edge of the correct key.
If you’re not a writer who types for hours at a time, and who thinks the words faster than you could ever type them, then you will never understand.
A photographer friend told me that the keypad in general, is “on its way out.” A “Touchpad” on an iPhone or iPad makes sense. But I hope the computer keyboards never become Touchpads.
The next thing we know, Apple will have us typing into a hologram in the air. They will be called “HoloPads.”
But I digress…
This website is not about the DISAPPEARING KEYPAD. It is a petition against Apple’s DISAPPEARING CONCERN for its PREVIOUSLY LOYAL CUSTOMERS with regard to their glossy screens.
GLOSSY SCREENS SHOULD BE AN OPTION, NOT THE ONLY “OPTION”!!
Whatever the product, iPad, iPhone, laptop, etc., a MATTE SCREEN should ALWAYS be an AVAILABLE CHOICE!
What REALLY ASTOUNDS ME, is that I cannot buy a LARGE SCREEN in matte, ONLY GLOSSY. I cannot be constantly changing the position of my large screen to avoid glare.
I should not have to change the lighting in my office, keep the shades drawn closed in the daytime, etc., just to see my computer screen.
WAKE UP APPLE, and smell your profits going down the drain.
I can’t stand the glossy display. I work in an environment where I must be able to do color work. The glossy screen reflects all the lights behind me forcing me to turn my entire desk away from everyone else. (1) This is very unprofessional number. (2) The glossy display is beautiful, and I’m sure the gloss helps the appearance of it. But. There are reasons for a matte option. Apple, please give us the option.
Jeff K
I will only replace my 30″ Apple Cinema Display with a matte screen. If that has to be a Samsung (!) so be it. As a pro photographer I find it very odd that Apple are not offering the high end option.
I’ve used a MacBook Pro with matte screen which got me hooked on Apple. Now I’ve got an iPad, iPad 2, iPhone 4, Mac Pro, Apple TV 1 & 2 and all the Apple addons. I own thousands dollars of apps, and I order nearly everything new that Apple comes up with. I am responsible for converting 10 people to Mac too. But I won’t buy a glossy screen that makes photos and colors look surreal, introduces glare in a long term environment and adds reflections to my work.
I’m in the market for 2 new computers and have always chosen Apple in the past. I just dislike glossy screens, and would prefer matte as an option. I don’t have any medical need, I don’t have any professional requirement. It is just a personal preference in the same way as Macs are my preference over Windows. Apple, please allow me that choice. Thanks for listening.
Grant
As a 20 year professional commercial photographer and retoucher I have always used Mac Pros, PowerMac G5s connected to a matte Apple Cinema Display or wide gamut NEC matte displays. I would love to upgrade to the new Apple LED display, however, Apple’s glossy-only offering is a non-starter for me. PLEASE, Apple, offer a matte option for ALL your Macs and displays. Do not give up on your creative professional base that has been devoted to Apple for the past 25+ years.
Thank you.
Matt
Replacing 10 x 30″ displays early next year. No Matte, No Apple!
(New Zealand)
I will buy only matte.
Apple,
I’m a pro web designer and also a stocks+options trader. I need a 4-monitor set up and currently have non-Apple displays, because Apple did not have a matte option available on their 27″ LED display. I’m planning on buying new MacBook Pros with Lion OS when Apple introduce them. I hope Apple gives us a matte option on the displays too so I can buy 4 new Apple displays along with the MacBook Pros. Hope Apple is hearing us. Thanks.
Raj
Don’t waste Your time, Apple does what they think is best for people. I agree though that matte is much better, but hey, what can I do about it.
I am working in the financial markets. There are currently three screens on my desk (2×27″, 1×30″) and I couldn’t care less about some pretty glossy colours. I want to see what is on the screen without having to glance at my own ugly reflection.
I’d love to have 2-3 beautiful displays from Apple (I did like the old 30″ Apple Cinema Display, but it seems a bit outdated now) but the distracting gloss of the new Cinema Displays is a no-go. Until my wish for matte comes true, it’s all EIZO for me.
Check the horrible reviews because of the horrible glossy screen even on Apple site:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC007LL/A?mco=MTkxMjg3ODk
Steve Jobs, are you listening? Please!
I am currently a PC user who has had it with the Microsoft Windows platform. The hardware that runs the Windows software has become so unreliable and so inferior that it is not worth investing my hard-earned money. Thus, I am looking towards Apple but I am, too, not keen on the idea of glossy screens.
The current iMac 27-inch (mid-2011) is a work-of-art, but the one thing that really makes me not want to buy one is the glossy screen that it comes with. Like other posters here, I have problems with my eyes that do not allow me to use glossy screens. I do want to give Apple a chance, but it does not make any sense to me to get an iMac that I will not be happy with,or to get a Mac Pro where I will have to buy a non-Apple matte display (defeating the whole purpose of turning towards Apple for my computing needs).
Please, Apple, if you do want to attract PC users like me to your platform, please, please offer a matte option for all of your desktop and laptop offerings (and also the Cinema Displays).
Again, PLEASE, Apple, listen to your customers and POTENTIAL customers that are interested in your products. Remember, you are enjoying a resurgence in your products right now. But, just as quickly as that resurgence has happened, the tide can turn against you. Consequently, listen to your customers and POTENTIAL customers, alike; they are the ones that will help you gain that top spot in the technology industry.
I procrastinate enough to not need screen reflections be another distraction from the work I do!
Imagine trying to work and seeing people’s reflections moving around in the background!
I’ve used the matte-screen Powerbook/MacBook Pro for about 6 years now for 3D work, CAD, Photoshop etc. Being able to sit in front of the computer for long periods without the eye strain is a massive help.
Although I would be open to using a glossy screen, the matte option is better for those of us in the graphics industry in terms of color calibration etc.
Apple, please listen to your consumers on this, and at least provide the option for a matte screen, particularly with the Cinema Displays. It would do very well with creatives that use Mac, and will not drive people to buy displays from other manufacturers.
Thanks.
I can only work with matte. I’m sick of my Dell monitor. Apple, please!
I have an immediate need for the 27″ Cinema Display to go with my 2011 MacBook Pro, and I would buy one as soon as the new release is available. BUT my office environment has windows on three sides. Therefore I need a matte screen. I was recently in a small meeting in which the presenter used a 27″ Cinema Display (with glossy screen, of course) to display his company presentation. The office was brightened by windows on two sides, and the reflections on the screen made it uncomfortable and nearly impossible to read some of the slides.
I urge Apple to produce a matte screen with the new release. Otherwise, I will need to forgo the Apple product and use a different external monitor.
Just got a brand new 15-inch Macbook Pro with matte screen for a 150 euro penalty. For my new external monitor I just bought a 24-inch Eizo monitor, matte screen of course. Apple Cinema Displays, iMacs and MacBook Pro 13-inches are not an option for me. It makes my buying options very limited when it come to Apple.
I’ve owned a 17″ Mac Powerbook, a 12″ Mac Powerbook, and older 15″ MacBook Pro (before they switched exclusively to glossy screens). When my older 15″ MacBook Pro died in April, I had use of a brand new 15″ glossy-screen MacBook Pro for a month or so until I bought my replacement. After a month using the glossy screened 15″ … I ponied up the extra $150 to get a matte screen 15″ MacBook Pro.
It’s well worth it.
I’d pay extra for a matte screen 27″ Cinema Display, too, but I won’t buy a glossy one.
I bought a 24″ Apple Cinema Display (matte) 7 or 8 years ago and it still looks great. If Apple doesn’t offer a similar matte-screen product, I will spend my money elsewhere.
I never want to see a reflection of myself (or anything for that matter) in the computer screen. If I do, I’d use Photobooth.
Glossy is highly unsuitable for professional graphical use since the on-screen colours vary too much depending of what surrounding the display is in.
Until Apple find a way to produce a glass surface truly free of reflection, I suggest Apple stay with matte transparent plastic. In these glossy days, once you see a matte screen it truly looks magical. Like the image is truly just there. With a glossy screen, the image is always behind glass.
(Norway)
I’m another supporter of matte screens. Although I love the colors of the recent glossy Apple screen, I noticed that if I work on my glossy 24 inch LED Apple Cinema Display for long periods of time, I get a really bad eye strain – something I never got when using my old matte 20 inch Apple Cinema Display. Because of this, I’m taking a very hard look at those IPS Dell matte monitors. I really hope that Apple would consider making matte monitors someday.
I’m a professional photographer and I need a matte screen. Apple, please make it an option on all Apple computers. When I recently updated my main computer – a MacPro – I was forced to buy a 30-inch monitor from another company – Dell – because Apple literally gave me no choice. Apple no longer makes its beautiful 30-inch matte display. I still have one of those that I use on my back-up machine in my studio. If only Apple would make a new 30-inch matte display – or even a 27-inch matte – I would have bought it in a heartbeat.
My matte screen 23″ HD Cinema Display was stolen in a burglary. The replacement listed by the insurance claim? The 24″ glossy screen. No thanks. I’ll take the money and lose the difference in depreciation. That difference is not worth its dollar amount I’d have to pay extra in headache medicine caused by eye strain. That’s real eye strain; none of this psychosomatic nonsense.
Matte display is a must for Pro users. Apple should bring back 30″ matte, now with Thunderbird connection or at least an antiglare option or … just not this too-glossy display!
(Croatia)
I replaced my Apple Cinema Display with a matte NEC 2690 and never looked back.
There are options. People, don’t even think of buying these glossy screens from Apple. Eventually, Mr. Jobs will wake up. It’s the money he is interested in, not your personal eye health.
Honestly, I just want Apple to bring the old displays back (the silver ones). I think they look better than anything else and they’re matte. And they match Apple’s computers.
Maybe get rid of the 20″ but keep the 23″ and the 30″. Those two are the best displays Apple has ever had in my opinion. If they had Thunderbird, they’d sell like hotcakes!!
I have purchased a Dell matte screen as a matter of recourse because this option was not available on an Apple product. Contrast is nice, but I would need to put a hood around my glossy monitor to use it. This is not possible on my glossy-screen laptop, which is totally useless out of doors.
In order to use an Apple glossy screen, I have to position my entire workspace so that it is opposite any direct light sources. Maybe in the Apple use-testing labs there is a soft ambient glow all around, but there is sunshine and track lighting in my office.
Please, Apple, remain user friendly.
-Jesse Callaway
Apple, please don’t make me buy Dell Matte Screens for my photography.
I prefer a Apple Cinema Display with a matte screen because i’ve always problems with the reflection on my screen. Apple, please add this as a option. I would buy one
Please Please – bring back the Apple Cinema display with a matte option. I would get an iMac in a heart beat if it had the matte screen option. Now I just keep getting Mac Mini’s and use old (really old) Apple Cinema Displays.
Matte screens should be offered on all Macs.
(Australia)
Okay, Apple, you’ve done the shiny, glossy, Star Trek, Next Gen look, and it’s time to put it to rest, along with everything else from the 90′s. See how people love the white iPhones and iPads? It’s time to bring back the white iMac, which was the most artful, beautiful and distinctive machine you ever made, and put a matte screen on it that lets you see the beauty of the machine, instead of the glossy screen that looks indistinguishable from every other two-bit computer monitor at Best Buy. The aluminum iMac looks out of date and tired – it doesn’t match any of the white accessories in your line-up, and it doesn’t in any way stand out from all of the other gray or silver machines on the market.
Four years, and still going strong with my 23″ Apple Cinema Displays. I’d love more screen size, however, I’m not prepared to give up on matte. I see a new EIZO in my future once these Apple Cinema Displays finally die. Please, Apple, start catering from pros once again. Please don’t let your hardware go the way of your software and have it dumbed down for the lower end consumer market.
Matte is a must.
Want to buy the 27″ Apple Cinema Display but will not until / cannot until a matte option is made available. Until then – no sale Apple!
I paid a premium to purchase the latest MacBook Pro 15-inch with a matte screen. I believe it’s the only MacBook Pro to have one. This greatly limited my MacBook Pro options.
Matte is the way to go. Please make it available on all models and the Cinema Displays. I’ll pay extra for it vs. the glossy.
I’m a graphic arts professional who would like to see his work on the display, not his reflection (and the reflection of everything else in the room). I would buy a new iMac for all my graphics and photo work if it had a matte screen.
Steve Jobs, not content with deafening everyone with the iPod, is now set on blinding us with the Apple glossy display!
Apple, time to sober up!
I’ve been waiting for a ‘suitable’ 27-30″ monitor for five+ years, to pair with my tower. I have a glossy 15″ MacBook Pro, and the screen reflectivity just makes me sad. I want to see music editing, photo editing, my screenplay, InDesign documents, Illustrator…illustrations…. I do NOT want to see my ridiculous face looking back at me.
Apple, you made your reputation on the backs of creative professionals. It’s time you honored your roots and offered the option, instead of catering exclusively to… well, i don’t know who you’re catering to. The glossy screen is like a boombox with an ‘extra bass’ button.
Like many of you, I was disapointed and now frustrated. It seems that Apple really don’t care about the reasonable request for a matte option. I still don’t understand why they don’t offer this option for an extra cost that all will be ready to pay to protect our sight. (excuse me for the bad English)
I work in a brightly lit room. Depending on the position of the sun or how clear the day is, sometimes the glare is very annoying. I much preferred the matte screen. Apple, how about an order option?
Yep, sign me up for matte screen imac and external monitor. Sadly Apple is a one-size-fits-all model these days. I did buy a MacBook Pro with matte though. So I am putting my money where my mouth is.
Perhaps Apple will change its tune, but as time has gone on, Apple has become increasingly deaf to their most loyal consumers: “We’ve got to get those profits, you know, can’t take time to please everyone, No, No, No!” – J
Apple, give us a matte option please!
I had to special order my MacBook Pro – and one of the reasons was to ensure getting the matte screen. I can’t stand the glossy screens, and will continue to buy new display’s from other manufacturers until Apple gives me the option for a matte display. I was really excited about the new Thunderbolt displays – and hugely disappointed when I discovered there was no matte option.
Again, I was hoping to see the new Thunderbolt Display would be available with an build-to-order Anti-Glare option (like the 15/17″ MacBook Pros) but no … Seems Apple is no longer interested in serving the professional Mac users with suitable hardware.
Matte or Die. Every monitor I own (11 of them) — from my TV’s to my 4 computers (each dual monitored out) — are a nice un-glaring (albeit finger print attracting) matte finish. Details just do not translate through a piece of plastic laid over the top of a screen. Thank you. That is all
I always buy the matte screen version of the MacBook Pro. When Apple didn’t provide matte screens on notebooks for a while I had to wait until they did. My wife has a glossy screen MacBook and I can’t look at it without getting headaches. If Apple stopped doing matte for MacBook Pros I’d have to go down the hackintosh route for future machines.
I’m wondering if I should still switch to the Mac. But it seems with every release, Apple are go further away from what we want. I’ll wait until the new Mac Pros come out and then decide whether to buy a new PC or switch to the Mac.
I won’t buy glossy either. Waiting for matte options.
I would like to add my voice in support of having an anti-glare option for not only the MacBook Pro, but the iMac, AND MacBook Air. It’s incredibly frustrating to only have glarry glossy screens as an option. I, like many people, can’t stand glossy/glare, and simply WILL NOT BUY a computer with a glossy screen. For every one person commenting on this post, there must be hundreds who just keep quiet, but would prefer to have a choice.
I now have waited years for a worthy replacement for my ancient 12″ Powerbook. The current product line of MacBooks have forced me to look for a current Windows notebook with a matte display. What with that MacBook Air with no DVD-Drive and no option for a matte display? The cheapest solution with matte display is the MacBook Pro 15″ for €1900? Forget it. The 15″ is too large for my needs. Why no matte option for the 13″ model?
Good riddance, Apple.
(Germany)
I’ve been ready and willing to upgrade both my old iMac and MacBook Pro for over a year now, but that simply will not happen if matte screens are not offered as an option. Some other company is becoming more and more likely to get my Euros than Apple is.
Glossy screens — Mac or other, such as those in the office that I sometimes have to use — make my eyes tired very quickly, and if I have to stay too long I get a headache. Try telling my colleagues and boss that I need to turn off all lights and shut all windows to work in the common rooms!
I’ve tried the new 27” Cinema Display, loved it for its features and tried to think of every excuse imaginable to keep it.
However, I didn’t.
I’ll keep it short, as many users/reviewers have already pointed this out.
This screen is way, and I mean WAY too reflective. I’m a graphic designer and to make this display useful, I would have to change my whole lighting plan, move the windows and, in essence, create a dark room to have this screen operating at its full potential.
Any light from behind me, any dark color, any movement behind me, will DISTRACT my focus from the screen, and FOCUS it on the REFLECTION.
This is where Apple’s “we are trendsetters, and we are right 99% of the time” becomes their Achilles heel.
In design, there’s a principle: Form Follows Function.
The FUNCTION of a display is to be able to SEE things (in the highest detail possible) on THAT screen.
ANY OTHER ARGUMENTS AND ADDITIONS like “glass is easier to clean, the colors are deeper, it has a webcam and USB!” are SECONDARY. AND NOTHING MORE.
If there’s a petition going, set up by people who get headaches, eye-strain, back pain (because they subconsciously adjust their posture to get rid of the reflections’), it’s a SIGN.
If it’s signed by thousands … it’s a bigger SIGN.
It’s a statement that doesn’t say: APPLE you’re Wrong. Its says: APPLE, we love your products so much, and we’d love to buy them, but PLEASE listen to us.
It’s not ‘complaining’, it’s almost begging Apple to make something that will easily cost them a thousand dollars, that’s a bit more useful.
Please Apple, take note.
Good design, should make a product useful. – Dieter Rams
(Netherlands)
In the past I had a Mac Plus, Mac SE, and iBook. Right now I have a 2004 iBook and 2006 iMac – all with matte screens. I need a faster computer soon, but won’t buy a glossy screen. Want to destroy your eyesight? Just look and squint at a glossy iPod, glossy iPhone, glossy iMac for 8 hours a day… Please Apple, give us a choice!
(Netherlands)
It’s seems ironic that, just when Apple announces the latest edition of the latest glossy-all-over-again MacBook Airs, Lenovo manages to release their latest X121e with 11″ matte screen. Seems like great timing for Lenovo (and at half the asking price, to boot!).
By the way, the X120e sold out, in both AMD and Intel configurations; I am expecting the X121e to do as well; it’s major selling point, apart from its size, is its MATTE SCREEN!
(Ireland)
Completely agree. Please Apple, we are the original users of Apple products. You make fantastic products. Why is it so hard to offer what the pros want too and please both markets? Please accept the fact that it’s a nightmare working with glossy in the design business where we are on the Mac for hours and hours and hours a day and a week. We currently use 30″ matte Cinema Displays and will do for as long as they last. If Apple don’t bring out another 30″+ matte display as equal or better quality before then, unfortunately Apple will lose our custom, all because of stubbornness to not do a matte option (and how crazy was it to go backwards 30″ to 27″ displays?!)
(United Kingdom)
Apple, we photographers love you. I used a MacBook for remote capture, and sometimes that means going out into the bright light of day. That was a lot easier for me when you had matte screens. Please bring them back.
Sincerely,
Genevieve Hanson
NYC
I’d buy an iMac today if it were available with a matte display option. Sadly it’s a Mac Mini or a Windows PC for me.
I love the style of most of Apple products. But style isn’t everything – the most important machine/human interface in computing is the display (of the content). Therefore no chance for the glossy screen to become my eyes’ best friend. I love my non-glossy MacBook Pro and I’d love to use a non-glossy Apple Cinema Display!
(Switzerland)
As a designer who has been using Mac products since the Lisa for graphic design, photo retouching, and video editing, it’s hard for me to understand why Apple wants to alienate the population of professionals that has supported the company for decades. With all of its technology and production capacity, why can’t Apple support a choice of screen surfaces? Apple, you are forcing me to break up with you!!
I’d buy an iMac monitor if it wasn’t for that glossy screen. I hate it for editing and even for relax browsing. I despise glossy screens. Matte is definitely the way to go. Apple, you have the technology and the money. Let consumers have a choice. Thank you
I used to sell comuters to business folks at CompUSA. I never recommended the glossy screen for anyone unless they had a window-less office and overhead lighting. It is amazing that glossy screens are so popular, having been around since the early CRT days, and remembering the thousands of anti-glare screens that were purchased in the 1990′s. I find it amazing that will allow manufacturers to dictate this.
While I admit glossy screens are a bit sharper and some are brighter, the Mac Pro (matte) that I have is as bright and crisp as any glossy, and I can use it in my office which has a full wall of windows. My fellow workers can’t use theirs without shades or closing their blinds on sunny days. The fully glossy iMac 27″ we have had to be repurposed for that reason – now our receptionist uses it.
This protest, this plea to Apple is very sad. I posted an almost identical message to Eliz Peters’ plaintive request some years ago. I have also written to Apple via every avenue I can find, posted product enhancement requests, and even emailed Mr Jobs several times.
Apart from relenting and giving us matte screen options on the 15″ and 17″ Macbook Pros, nothing has changed.
It is quite disappointing for us loyal, foundation members of Apple’s professional customer base.
I’ve had many, many Apple products over the years – there are 8 in my house right now – but I’ve had to resort to eBay for my matte screen displays.
Such a shame.
(Australia)
Apple no longer an option; Final Cut Pro X????? Glossy screens!!!!!! Thanks, Apple, for rewarding our loyalty to your brand!!!!! Sad to say, Windows PC becoming favorite for upgrade!
Apple’s Cinema Display: Impossibly reflective screen, no use whatsoever. Not bad if you are a boxer; you’ll be bobbing and weaving all day trying to avoid the reflections as you work. What were Apple thinking? (one star too many on Apple’s review page).
(United Kingdom)
I want my MATTE SCREENS back!!!
I find it hard to see my glossy screen when my office is bright. Too much reflection. Aren’t Apple supposed to be the design kings?
(Australia)
Glossy is intolerable. I am fretting about what to do next – I will buy a new laptop and my natural choice would be a MacBook Air, but I find its glossy screen utterly unsuited for my needs, namely reading and writing papers plus programming. Reflections on the screen are not only an uncalled-for annoyance, I also think it strains my eyes and thus affects my health.
The primary function of any display is one thing and one thing only….to view it. And there is absolutely no doubt that a glossy display is inferior in that regard, in that it forces a person to strategically position lights in an attempt to minimize the glare. Somehow, this seems to defeat the purpose of spending $1K on a Cinema Display.
Don’t get me wrong. As much as I would like to have a free matte option, I don’t expect that to happen. So I fully expect to pay for the right to have a matte display. So what exactly is so hard about Apple offering a matte option … which represents another business opportunity for Apple to make still more profit. And the last time I looked, that is the purpose of any business.
I am simply astonished that Apple apparently insists, by the lack of a matte option, that it knows more about what its customers want than the customers. Obviously, there are many, many, many, thousands of customers that want the matte option. At the Apple website, the Cinema Display is rated at a little more than 3 stars out of 5 almost entirely as a result of dozens of comments about glare. Apple, take the comments to heart and help your customers out…..GIVE US A MATTE OPTION…..and in the process make still more money.
I think that long-time Mac users (myself since 512k 1985) will just have to get used to fact that Apple is now just another monstrous corporate empire. Gone are the days of Steve Jobs thinking ‘a computer should be like an appliance’. Now a computer is primarily a corporate marketing strategy. The current big screen is called ‘Cinema’ because that is what it for – to act as a tool to market the online store.
Any corporation has to look for differentiation from its competitors and desirably have an additional income stream. This additional income does not have to be huge to make it more difficult for competitors to be competitive. The present Apple line-up of technology is not for us – it is for their bottom line. Get used to it, even if you think that it is short-term bonus-biased thinking.
I was hoping to buy an iMac and an iPad, as best suiting my business situation, but ended up buying a MacBook Pro with Anti-Glare screen simply because it was the only model that offered the matte choice. I use it with two screens, the other being an Anti-Glare as well.
I am grateful that Apple at least let me buy one computer with Anti-Glare. A MacPro with Anti-Glare screens would not be a good solution for me.
I just got a HP flyer, http://designnews-mail.com/portal/wts/cemciv2cAOjLedmTnazx3Oidq07Ora, with no complaints in the reviews about glare, as compared with the Apple Cinema reviews. One reviewer did comment that black was not as black as some. This is a monitor for business and, strangely, only available with Anti-Glare. Hewlett Packard is a good company with a reputation for reliability – looks good to me. Interestingly the computer that I had before the 512k was a HP80. IBM – Microsoft – Apple – time for a new player.
(Australia)
Lack of a matte screen is the ONLY thing keeping me from buying a new 27″ iMac. For now, I make due with a 15″ Matte MacBook Pro and a 2006 24″ Matte Apple Cinema Display.
I was just sent by an employee at the Apple Store to buy a matte monitor at Best Buy, which I did, because as a graphic designer (one of Apple’s most loyal bases), I CANNOT and WILL NOT work on a glossy monitor. I can’t tell you how weird it was to be sent to Best Buy by an Apple employee! This Samsung 27″ matte monitor is ok, but I would’ve preferred an Apple monitor. Oh well!
I love the matte screen on my 2006 Intel iMac – the color and quality are great – and I will not upgrade my iMac until a quality matte screen is again an option. Apple, please bring the matte scree back!
What’s unbelievabe about this MacMatte petition is that each thread here compliments every single aspect of a Mac, and most offer to BUY one as soon as a matte option is available, despite some users having been snubbed by Apple for years – I have never seen such customer loyalty in the face of such a blatent tone-deafness.
1,693 people have signed this petition (so far). There is usually a 99 to 1 rule on the internet – thus only 1% of people will be ‘bothered’ to go to the effort of typing up a petition, the other 99% will simply be upset and not say anything (and buy a different product).
Thus, crudely: 1,693 people * 99 = 167,607 people upset with this decision to some degree. Assuming the average price of an iMac is $1,400. Then 167,607 * $1,400 = $234,649,800 in lost revenue. Obviously this is assuming that each user only buys ONE computer – many of the posts above are from people who will buy up to x60 (the x60 computers was a teacher). I’m also not taking into acccount the negative impact on the brand, and all future purchases this upset segment of the population will NOT make in the years and years to come.
Worst of all, these people in this petition would be happy to pay MORE than the standard amount for a computer to have this matte option. Thus giving people a choice would make Apple even MORE money on a per unit basis.
Additionally, I can only hope that Apple doesn’t think its customers are so naive that we don’t know exactly what it is doing. We understand (using our finely tuned cynical compasses that we all have in this modern age) that Apple thinks it is only affecting ‘professional’ designers, who will spend more money on a ‘Pro’ Machine having been forced out of the iMac market – thus earning Apple more cash. Apple is wrong. The alienation of the Apple brand from not only professionals, but people who get sore eyes looking at ‘glossy’ screens, the older crowd of users, students, regular users that happen to have a window or light near their computer (and what are the chances of that! ), and finally, anyone they would otherwise recommend a Mac to (I know I certainly wouldn’t anymore given I think the ‘glossy’ screens are a truely inferior product – why would I put my good name to such an obviously flawed design) I would have supposed would have been enough for Apple to reconsider its poor decision in this area. Evidently not.
Unbelievable. And so very ‘Microsoft’ of you Apple.
I really hope Apple will provide the option to get a matte screen on the next iMac generation or I will be very disappointed by Apple’s poor understanding of users needs.
I’ve tried a 21.5″ iMac. What I got after 30 minutes, in a dark room, with one window at about 120 degrees, was tons of reflections, a headache and my eyes started to hurt.
13″ MacBook Pro (and MacBook) are nice, tiny and light laptops. They’re beautifully designed. The battery lasts forever (or almost), but I can only use it in particular setups, otherwise the glossy screen is challenging my bathroom mirror.
If you travel a lot and use your computer on your knees (train, bus, …) the environment is: big windows in all directions (matte screen needed).
As you are traveling all around with your laptop, you want it to be as light as possible and relatively small. The 13″ MacBook Pro or MacBook would be the nicer option. Some may also think that having the least expensive MacBook makes it less worse if you think it might be stolen … But sadly, there is no option to have the light and small MacBook (and/or Pro) with a matte screen designed for outside. I don’t get it, Apple.
I’m using a late 2006 white iMac. Glossy screens are simply not an option when working for hours on end, so I will keep this matte screen computer until it breaks, and then repair it …
Steve Jobs, come on, choice is good. Just charge a few bucks more for those that want matte. I am sooo tired of hearing people make this complaint. Please just do it!
I want a matte screen option for 13″ MacBook Pro. Could be Built-To-Order, doesn’t matter. The lack of a matte screen is the major reason why I’m not upgrading from my current setup.
Changing screen position is a bullshit solution. I’m in a lot of situations where this is impractical or impossible.
I was initially very excited to purchase and hook up my new 27″ iMac today. Unfortunately it is going back. It is completely unusable due to the glare – even on this cloudy day!
I recently bought a Mac Mini instead of the iMac because I wanted a matte screen – I bought a 21 inch Hewlett Packard matte screen with built-in speakers – very happy with that screen, but I would have prefered a matte-screened iMac to this set up. Don’t know how the profits line up on the Mini vs iMac for Apple, but I went down a product category for the matte screen option, and Hewlett Packard got some of the money that Apple could have had.
(United Kingdom)
Apple, I really want my matte screen back! It is just annoying to see everything behind me, unless I turn the light completely off. And I am talking about my iMac, I haven’t even started to swear about my MacBook Pro which is a pain to work with when sitting in a restaurant for instance! And no, always turning “into the right direction” is not a good enough option for me! You simply can’t escape light, and yes, I want to have light, at least in my work office. I am not a night owl that prefers to work in the dark.
Apple, thank you for taking notice of your users.
Oliver
(Switzerland)
Apple, give us the options. We do need matte screens. Glossy reflects my image, which is always there. The brain who has to do the extra work to ignore the reflected image and concentrate on the screen in front of you. Why let the brain work in overdrive?
I want a matte screen when designing; and a glossy screen when I watch a movie.
(Netherlands)
I am about to put a pick-axe through this iMac. All I can see in the glossy screen is my coworker’s machine behind me. I’ve angled this thing every conceivable way but it hasn’t helped in the least. Grrr, Apple bring back the matte screen, this glossy P.O.S. is useless.
Alright, so Apple continues to ignore our words. Maybe they’ll listen to dollars?
If you are in the market for a computer but have decided not to buy a Mac or an Apple display because the screen is glossy, I urge you to consider going to an Apple Store and buying the Apple product you know you don’t want first. Take it home and open everything up, take off protective stickers, maybe put some fingerprints on the screen for good measure.
Then, return it to the Apple Store in the next few days and make it *absolutely* clear that you cannot use it because the shiny screen gives you eye strain and/or headaches. Be relatively polite, but absolutely firm: the product is unusable due to its glossy screen.
Obviously this is only an option if you can afford the purchase in the first place; be sensible. But if you are able, maybe a mass glossy-screen-returning campaign could make some difference.
Just a thought.
It’s simple – I want to buy a 27/30″ display, I want it to be an Apple product (as they have the best balance of aesthetic/functionality), and I want it to be matte (the reasons are ‘glaringly’ obvious!). But … I can’t. So … Apple have lost £899 of my money (even if I buy a 30″ from eBay, as that money has already been paid to Apple by the first buyer of that product). It’s simple.
(United Kingdom)
I’m using a Compaq Windows Desktop PC because the price-equivalent iMacs have no matte screens.
I have no choice because to get an matte screen I can only buy a Mac Mini or a Mac Pro. The Mini is too slow and the Pro is much too expensive and much too powerful for my needs. So I am forced to use a Windows PC instead of an Apple computer. I have to use a desktop and a laptop computer. It makes sense to use the same operating system and I’m forced to use Windows. So Apple loses another customer buying two computers. That’s a pity!
I really can’t understand that thing with these glossy screens. Nowadays matte screens are available in such a super quality. Bright, nice accurate colors and eye friendly even to use outside.
w h y d o w e h a v e t o b u y t h e s e s h i n y r e f l e c t i n g s c r e e n s ?
It’s just about faking the customer – “ahhh bright nice colors – super quality good looking nice”. I know Apple is nowadays a big player in the computer entertainment industry and has those Windows competitors. Apple has to compete with other PCs using shiny (for the customer) “nice looking” colored screens as a reason for buying. But apple should think of the past and that they have grown as an outsider. Years ago they produced computers for much higher prices. But people bought very high priced Apple computers because they sold the people the quality that they wanted (the user-friendly operating system, nice looking computers). Otherwise people could have bought Windows PCs at a much lower price. But the Windows side wasn’t able to offer such “quality” aspects. So why can’t Apple release quality ergonomic stuff? I mean, building computers with matte screens and selling it as a quality feature. I think there is no really ergonomic or quality argument for glossy screens! If Apple would go ahead in the market and still uses matte displays, which are the better ones in most reasons, and sell them with the quality argument, people would buy it instead of the glossy ones.
A p p l e p l e a s e g o a h e a d a n d u s e m a t t e s c r e e n s
l e t p e o p l e k n o w t h a t m a t t e s c r e e n s h a v e s e v e r a l r e a s o n s l i k e
t h e v i e w e r s h e a l t h a n d t h e y w i l l b u y i t !
s e l l p e o p l e m a t t e s c r e e n s w i t h t h e a r g u m e n t t h a t t h e y a r e g o o d
f o r t h e y h e a l t h a n d t h e y w i l l b u y i t !
It would be nice to see Apple respecting their customers’ needs and still having a sense for building nice innovative, user-friendly, ergonomic-healthy, quality products, instead of building products just for the reason to sell fast and as much as possible, just to satisfy those managers and investors who are not really interested in user needs.
I like Apple because they really think about how computer design should be. I hope Apple have the courage to go ahead and follow their early principles to build outstanding devices and not letting the market to dictate their design.
Hope to see great products from you soon, Apple.
Can’t do Glossy. I am a graphic design professional. Love my 23″ MATTE Apple Cinema Display but want to upgrade to something with a camera and microphone, and find it hard to believe that Apple has abandoned one of its most loyal constituencies.
The matte screen is much better on the eyes. It looks like a bright printed image. If there were a matte screen iMac coming out, I would definitely upgrade my 2007 glossy iMac just because of the matte screen. Otherwise, I would only upgrade my 2007 iMac when it falls behind technologically to the point that I wouldn’t be able to do regular tasks. And that’s quite a few years from now. Now, by matte screen I mean, the early 2007 matte screen, not the matte screen in the Cinema Displays that looked awful.
I used to have a 23″ Apple Cinema Display, but now have to use alternatives, mostly Dell, since Apple don’t do matte … customer lost.
An important issue, forgotten by Apple, is that an untold number of people go to their “techie” image professional to see what they need to buy next in the way of a screen. If the pro has a degraded view of the glossy screen, will he/she recommend something that they would not use themselves? I expect not. So, who makes the second best screen out there? That’s sad, and the way America is headed. Having to take second best because of a handful of bean counters. To paraphrase Shakespeare, first kill all the lawyers. After that, let’s get the bean counters.
I bought my first Mac about one and a half year ago. I had been accustomed to working on 2 x 20inch displays, so I chose the 27 inch iMac because of the display resolution. Now 1.5 years later, I’m going back to a Microsoft Windows PC. Why? The iMac’s mirror in front of me drives me crazy! (not my reflection
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Mac Pro’s are too expensive, and Mac Mini’s are too low performance. Only one choice left. Welcome back Uncle Bill Gates.
Apple is monitoring the following thread on the Apple Discussions website, so you may want to write your comment there as well:
“Why is Apple insisting on Glossy Displays?”
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3191456?tstart=0
Glossy can be nice for short periods, but matte is the mojo. Bring back the matte!
I would pay 100 Euros extra for a matte-screen iMac, and I would wait even for a month after the order. Apple, is that difficult to give us the chance to have something that doesn’t hurts our eyesight? I can’t believe Apple are so deaf and blind (maybe Apple themselves have used for too long their stupid glossy displays).
For the graphics professionals, matte screen is THE MUST!!! There always should be an option to chose matte displays for all machines from MacBook Airs to iMacs. Also that new “Cinema” Displays need matte versions. Please, Apple, think not only about how does the product look – do a favor for those who need to USE your products in their graphics jobs.
Apple, please offer matte. I’ve lost depth of field in my daily vision thanks to editing on a 27″ glossy Mac Display.
Apple is all about making products for the masses – and the masses love shiny pretty things that they can show off while checking their Facebook at a Starbucks. So I’d hate to break it to you people, but this seems like a hopeless cause. If you still insist on using the Mac OS, then go and buy a separate external matte monitor. Not ideal but hey, that’s life. Or switch to Microsoft Windows, which is what I did; while I miss some features of Snow Leopard, when using Windows with a matte screen, it’s unbelievably refreshing not to have to turn the brightness all the way up just so I don’t have to see reflections, or have to adjust my screen angle. Plus, Windows 7 is fantastic as well, not to mention the array of hardware manufacturers that you can choose from.
Sorry to disappoint everyone here, but it’ll be a LONG time (if ever) before Apple decides to switch back to matte. If you’re going to be a Mac user, you’re going to have to deal with Apple and their ever-changing unpredictable decisions. The ONLY reason Apple will ever go back to matte screens is if they start losing money, which is obviously not going to be the case, as seen with their increasing sales.
I went to the Apple shop in Cardiff today, ready to buy a 27″ iMac machine. Until I saw the display! The reflections from the glossy screen were so glaring that it was difficult to see what was on the screen. When I tried to discuss this with one of the Apple assistants, I was given short shrift and made to feel unwelcome in the shop. Had I seen a manager I would have complained but it was perfectly clear that if I did not like the glossy screen, then Apple did not want my custom.
I really dislike my glossy screen and very much prefer a matte one. Apple, please bring it back as an option!
I need a matte screen and yes, if there was, I’d immediately buy the iMac.
I don’t want to see myself when I’m using my computer. Please, Apple – offer your loyal customers a matte option.
I would like to add my voice to this debate, I absolutely hate all glossy screens no matter what device. It is medically wrong as well psychologically (visual strain and stress). I would NEVER buy anything with a glossy screen, however, since there was no choice with iPhone-iPad I immediately installed nonglare protective films. To me , that is no solution. The solution is put enough pressure from customers to convince Steve Jobs to change this madness. I know good luck, we might as well ask for programming computers with binary switches.
I would like to buy an iMac but there is no way with those glossy screens, so I am stuck with 15″ MacBook Pro and even here I fear when I am ready to upgrade to more recent version; the non-reflective screen option wouldn’t be there.
(excuse my English. I am from Italy) I don’t know if anyone notice it, but when I first saw iPad2 TV ad I, immediately saw that there was no glare in every single frame of the ad. The iPad screen is (or seems) matte. I searched the web and I realized that I was not the only one (http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/05/04/wheres-our-matte-ipad-2-screen/). So this is amazing: Apple know how bad is the glare on their devices and hide it from his commercials. Apple isn’t simple to finally give us some matte screen option? This is insane. Watch the commercial http://www.apple.com/ipad/#we-will-always
I don’t know what you’re talking about. I just watched the commercial and saw lots of glare on the iPad screen. Oh wait… that was glare on MY screen. My glossy MacBook Air screen where I happened to be watching the commercial. Seems the glare from Apple’s glossy screen made it into the commercial despite all their high-tech efforts.
At least two MacBook Pro models offer a matte screen option, but Apple’s new Cinema Display doesn’t. At $999 I will not be buying one if no matte option is offered!
I’m looking to buy two 27″ LCDs (already have the 17″ MacBook Pro matte and every other Apple gadget), but I find myself ordering the Samsung 850 matte screen monitor as soon as it comes out instead — sucks, because I won’t get to buy from Apple, but I like working on my Mac beside bright sunlit windows.
Come on Steve Jobs, you’ve got everything else right this year. Take care of the pros. Take care of our eyes!
Since 1999, I have purchased 7 Macs, all with matte screens. It’s time to replace my iMac G5. Whoops?! No matte screen available from Apple.
My wife and I have shopped for Macs, and alternative options (like Sony). We simply cannot tolerate the glare from the glossy screens.
My wife is a professional artist (not photographer, but painter). All her giclee prints are on matte paper, not glossy. She prefers to work with a matte screen, too.
I write software and prepare web graphics. I, too, prefer the clean look of a matte screen.
Sorry, Apple, it’s time to revert to matte options.
The glossy screen is difficult to read because of the glare coming from behind me. WTF Apple? I’ve got about 20 monitors to upgrade in 2012 and I won’t be able to go with Apple unless the screen is matte.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66644268@N06/6066286866
SIMPLE CHOICE:
MATTE-SCREEN APPLE MONITOR OPTION FOR LARGE DISPLAYS?…APPLE GETS MY MONEY.
NO MATTE-SCREEN APPLE MONITOR OPTION FOR LARGE DISPLAYS?…LACIE GETS MY MONEY.
I own too many Apple products to count at this point. Have always gone with matte screens. Only exception is iPhone and iPad which would be great if they were matte… but then again, I’m not staring at them for hours at a time.
Just got a brand new 13″ MacBook Air. And I truly dislike the glossy screen. When I look at the screen, I want to see what I’m working on… not a reflection of myself in the background. Apple talks about “magic” devices… that disappear when you are using them. If I’m seeing reflections of window blinds blowing in the background and the reflection of my head bouncing up and down every time I tap a key… I’m not getting lost in the magic. I’m getting distracted. And getting pissed off. Because this is clearly an example of Apple ignoring a huge base of their customers. It’s actually pretty unbelievable.
Suffice to say that I’ve read through many of the comments here and, as a professional photographer, I couldn’t agree more with the glare/reflection issue.
Apple, come on….
(Germany)
Hello,
Dear Apple. I couldn’t believe I had to buy a Mac Pro and didn’t have the option to buy a matte Apple monitor. Instead I had to buy a NEC matte monitor instead.
I am a photographer and spend long times in front of a computer. I really dislike how the glossy screen is always reflecting things behind me, plus I always see fingerprints and dust even worst.
I would like to ask Apple to give us matte-monitor-users the option to buy or not a matte one. If you don’t offer it, then I will have to go and buy another brand just because they do have matte monitors. In my iPhone and iPod I don’t mind having a glossy screen but for my desktop computer I do mind that if I have to work 14 hours in front of a glossy one.
Please, bring back matte monitors!!!
Patricia
I use my computer for photo-editing! I don’t like the actual glossy screen because they have too much reflections! I hope the next iMac release has a matte screen!
http://www.pbase.com/andreawalter
I have used a glossy 15″ MacBook Pro for about two years. It was a late 2008 unibody, which I had bought immediately after it was released. Unfortunately, there was no matte option back then so I had to go with the glossy screen. I found the glossy display to be really annoying since it caused a lot of eye strain. Eventually, I switched to a newer 15″ MacBook Pro with the high-res anti-glare screen after it was made available. This one is a lot more comfortable to work with.
Typing or reading for longer periods was just impossible with the glossy screen, whereas it is no problem with the matte display. I really have to thank Apple for ultimately bringing the matte option back to the 15″ model, but I wonder why they did not so right from the start of the unibody series. I will definitely never buy any Apple product with a glossy screen again. I´d really like to have a Cinema Display, but in case I will ever need a larger matte screen, it will be made by Eizo.
Benjamin
(Germany)
I haven’t read this entire thread, but I will state my opinion: I can not ever image buying a glossy screen. I have owned many, many Macs since my first Mac 128 that I bought in May of 1984. I have worked at some of the best independent Apple dealerships in the United States. I am completely invested in the Apple mindset; but will always detest Apple’s attitude toward not offering matte screens as an option.
When watching e.g. movies on my MacBook Pro, I always see myself during darker sequences. But I want to see the movie!!! – So, yes, please matte displays! Apple, thanks in advance.
Apple, make the matte display standard and I’ll buy one!
I bought a 15″ MacBook Pro in mid 2007. I haven’t bought another product since. I don’t need the power of the Pro anymore as I’m just travelling and writing in cafes around the world and would love a MacBook Air to come with me, but unfortunately if I happened to be writing somewhere where they have sun, I would be in a whole world of trouble with a glossy screen.
My Sony VAIO frustrates me due to Microsoft Windows, but even Windows beats OSX without the ability to see the screen.
A matte screen is even more important for the iPad 2. It’s impossible to see what you are photographing or videoing on a sunny day: all you can see is your own reflection. It will be a challenge to make a matte screen that will clean easily …
Apple, offer the iMac with a matte screen: the glossy version is terrible in any room with a window or lamp. The ONLY thing keeping me from buying a new 27″ iMac is the glossy screen issue – glossy is simply unacceptable.
I’ve been following this petition and thread for a long time now – and this is one of the very best posts. Nicely put Scott! Well played, sir. Let’s see if Steve Jobs has the minerals to step up and do something about this debacle once and for all (albeit, I won’t be holding my breath….::sigh::)
I need a 24″ matte IPS screen, NOT glossy. Apple, if you don’t offer it, then I will have to go and buy another brand just because they do have matte monitors.
I vote for matte. Apple, please also look into LED pulse width modulation which causes migraines. Thanks
I cannot adjust my photos in a mirror. I have tried and it DOES NOT WORK. My Mac Pro, running with a matte ViewSonic monitor, is getting a little tired. I would buy a 27″ iMac in a heartbeat if I could get it with a matte screen. Apple continues to ignore those of us who need matte screens. I am about to purchase a new Dell monitor and if Steve Jobs continues to be so pig-headed, I may well buy a high-end Dell computer to go with it.
Why isn’t there a matte option for the iMac? That doesn’t make sense. The glossy screen reflects too much, interferrng with what you really want to look at, the images coming out of the monitor, not what’s being reflected off of it. The glossy screen causes many people eye strain.
I agree with practically all comments above, especially paying a premium for matte. Gladly!
If Apple’s restriction is a question of cost of goods sold, it may want to follow Hewlett Packard right out of the hardware business … But if it wants to keep getting top dollar per pound of hardware, it needs to be a mite more understanding of those addicts it calls customers.
As far as I’m concerned, I won’t shut the Windows until I can open an Apple without squinting.
Regards!
(France)
The glossy screen issue is just the latest of many changes by Apple that make little sense. The desklamp iMacs were touted for the revolutionary idea of having an adjustable height screen. Later iMacs lack this feature. Did human beings change in the interim? Are adjustable height screens no longer a good idea? The same goes for shifting keyboard layouts again and again and again. New sells better than old even if it is worse. If you make it worse, you sell it as new. Then you make what you broke better and claim credit for that, too. If someone points out the charade you say jump up and down and shout “Look, a dancing monkey!” I’m sure that when matte screens return to their product line, Apple will claim that matte screens were a bad idea until Apple figured out how to do it right. Until then, I’ll be buying my monitors elsewhere.
I have just moved from PC to Mac, mainly because of the nice hardware (so I thought). I was really looking forward to the high-res screen on my 27 inch iMac. However the glossy surface spoils everything, and I am seriously considering selling it to a colleague and going back to PC.
This is nothing to do with any specialist application software – I simply want to use the machine to produce documents, and don’t want to peer past the reflections of the glossy screen.
(United Kingdom)
I cannot buy any iMac or MacBook Pro if the screen is glossy. Especially for photo work.
(Canada)
I have an old MacBook. But because of its glossy screen I need to use another matte external monitor. I like the new MacBook Air but I am not going to buy a new one with a glossy screen.
(Latvia)
I had a 2007 iMac with a matte screen that was brilliant! The screen used in those ones was a Samsung S-PVA, I believe. I am needing to update the 2007 iMac after 3 years – I was very disappointed to find this matte screen was no longer available for the iMac. I’m using a Windows PC now – I simply cannot buy the iMac with a glossy screen: the reflections give me eye strain and head aches.
(Australia)
MacMatte petition mentioned in the Wall Street Journal:
http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/08/29/steve-jobss-worst-design-decisions/?mod=google_news_blog
i’m going insane with frustration. I hate the glossy screen. I need to see my work, not me and my whole office – impossible for editing video, embarrassing for showing clients work. Worst mistake I’ve made buying an iMac with 27″ glossy Cinema Display. SUCKS.
As a professional image printer, I cannot use a glossy screen. I resent having to pay a small fortune for a device – allegedly targeted to photographers, artists and other graphics people – that has an entirely useless glossy display.
Dear Apple,
I am sitting here looking at myself and all of the overhead lighting in my reflection on this new Apple Cinema Display attached to a new Mac Pro. It is completely insane that I have to suffer through this because it ‘looks shiny’ or whatever logic was used when Apple eliminated matte monitors from its lineup. No, I do not have control over the lighting in my environment, nor will I in the future. So I must choose to either use a 5 year old matte Cinema Display or stare at myself all day in the mirror-like reflection.
I will order a new monitor tomorrow if you give me the matte option. I have my credit card waiting. Please listen to those of us who stood by you while you floundered for years and almost became irrelevant. We bought your products when we were in the minority, when we were mocked, when your products cost a premium. Now that you are dominating the tech world we have a simple request … make a matte monitor suited to Pros who you supposedly cater to.
CAN I PLEASE HAVE A PRO MONITOR WITH MY PRO COMPUTER?!
Sincerely,
David W.
As an over-twenty-year Mac owner and user, I am looking to replace some of my “aging” Mac equipment, but find the newer “gloss screen” iMacs annoying. As a result, I am now looking, for the first time in twenty years, for an alternative hardware display that doesn’t have the annoying Apple “gloss screen”. As a professional graphic designer I can’t believe that Apple has turned its back on it’s core buyers, and not offered an anti-glare screen for the newer iMac’s. Apple do it on the MacBook Pro’s because of massive complaints and a possibility of lowered sales. Now they should face the fact that many iMac users will also start to look for other manufacturers for their future purchases.
Apple needs to listen to its core design/creative community buyers, or it will see its market share slowly decline. Apple, stop being sooooooo arrogant, and give long-time iMac owners what they want, not what your Apple designers want to push on the buying public!
Dear Apple,
Listen to your customers! Many long-time customers, like me, who have stayed true through the worst of times, will NOT buy a glossy screen! I cannot use a glossy screen! The reflections are distracting. It causes eye strain. Not everyone can work in a light-controlled environment. Believe it or not, some people require a well-lit work space. As an architect I need to have adequate light to read drawings and other printed materials while I work. Not everyone needs the brighter colors and deeper contrast of a glossy screen. Not everyone will be watching movies on their computer monitors. The matte screen works best for me and the type of work I do and, judging by the comments on your own website, that is true for a large percentage of your loyal customers. It is time to make both glossy and matte available on all your laptops and monitors.
Joel;
You seem to be writing from the view of a long-time power user of Apple’s desktop systems. Your points about movie watching etc are exactly right – I’m convinced that Apple no longer considers desktop users within their interest. It’s all about mobile and media, now.
Matte screens for developers: for years I’ve been arguing that Macs were the best hardware platform for developers, but developers staring at code all day don’t want glareful screens either. (Distraction of people walking by, looking at their own face all day, horrible lighting conditions, etc.) At least developers have the (expensive) option of buying a Mac Pro with a non-Apple matte screen, or perhaps making do with a high-end MacBook Pro with the matte option, but really, the iMac has reached a level where it is a superb developer platform in its own right, and much less expensive than the Mac Pro + matte screen option and much more powerful (with the high-end options) than the MacBook Pro. Since I do a lot of work with Aperture, a lot of development, and a lot of writing, and I’m putting up with a 5 1/2 year-old 17″ MacBook Pro (with a matte screen, of course), I’d love to buy a high-end iMac, but it’s out of the question. I am fantasizing that a third-party will come up with a replacement piece of iMac glass, but for now, I’m not spending my money. (I wouldn’t upgrade to Lion either – it’s one thing to extend the Mac deep into the consumer space, but forcing power users, graphic designers, photographers, and developers into the dumbed-down, slicked-up consumer space is tantamount to abandoning their most loyal user base – the one that kept Apple alive until they started inventing consumer toys. (Using the term “base” inspires the thought that this is exactly analogous to what happens with some politicians – they can abandon their more committed base and head towards the indistinct middle because they know their more committed base won’t vote for a candidate on the other side of the middle.)
I am afraid that my next laptop will probably be a Lenovo X series – it is as well-made as a MacBook Air (or MacBook Pro), similar costs with similar specifications, and crucially has a matte screen. Certainly I don’t NEED a matte screen, but I certainly do PREFER a matte screen, and since it’s my money I’ll buy the laptop that has the screen that I PREFER.
I recently bought a MacBook Air, my first foray into Apple since owning a G3 iMac desktop many years ago. I do have a 23″ Apple Cinema Display on my Sun workstation and love it. I would like to get the Apple Thunderbolt display, but in the brightly lit environment of the Apple Store, the clerk played the Avatar DVD and all you could see in the dark parts was the reflections of everyone in the store. I would prefer the choice of having a matte screen since I plan to do some film editing on my MacBook Air via FCP and have windows behind where I sit. However, it looks like I’ll be heading out to look at displays by some other brand – which is too bad because the integration features of the Apple display are pretty sweet, but if Apple doesn’t care about offering its customers a matte option, then I guess Apple loses. It’s weird because underneath all of Apple’s “think different” rhetoric is an awful totalitarian approach to what Apple thinks its customers should be doing. Kinda like when Apple brought out the first MacBook Air and said no one wants a 12″ laptop and yet look now, Apple is offering one. (Well I’m sure Steve Jobs would say 11.6 ain’t 12 but) I wanted one then and didn’t go for it until Apple offered what I wanted. Now I want a matte display. I can wait and there’s alternatives.
Add my voice to the chorus. I would love to buy an iMac with a matte screen. In fact, I did by one a few months ago, and sadly had to return it because of the glossy screen and the eye strain it caused. Anytime there’s a web page or application with a dark background the screen turned into a mirror. I know that it is not big money to them, but hey that was $3000 I wanted to spend with Apple but couldn’t do it.
Well, my iMac G5 died, so on September 3rd I went and bought a new iMac. I hate the glossy screen already – getting headaches. I plan on returning the iMac tomorrow and buying a Windows PC. I am the support person in the house, so that means everyone else with have to change too.
i purchase the matte MacBook Pro, but I can’t get big screens anymore as there is no matte. Please Apple, matte screen options for all your products — yes, we’ll pay a premium (but would like not to).
I have been waiting for two years for a non-glossy display from Apple. I would buy two 27″ or if Apple produced a larger modern display I would get two of them. Until Apple produces a non-glare screen, Dell will have to do.
Conny
Matte now!
Apple, listen to the voice of professionals!
&$*# OFF with glossy screens on the current Macs!
Just bought a competitor’s 20″ matte screen – two of them – because of this.
(New Zealand)
Please Apple, we need matte displays.
As an ex full-time photographer, I have always preferred to use a matte screen to avoid anomalous reflections which frustrate and bug the hell out of me. I have spoken to many stores with iMacs paraded around, but have been told that they are all going to be glossy. I will not buy an iMac until the day comes when it has a matte screen, or there is some way of making it matte without causing any problems.
I recently decided to finally give Apple a shot as my computer of choice for the home. Having read the specs, I decided I’d put down the money on a new MacBook Air 13″ model. However, when seeing it is only available with a glossy screen, that makes it a no-go for me. Apple, please offer an anti-glare screen on the MacBook Airs.
What more can be said .. there is a multitude of reason people prefer matt screens. I have been refusing to update my 5 year old MacBook Pro 17, or to add on to my Mac family for just this reason. I would love a MacBook Air, but not with a glossy screen. Instead I went a different purchasing route. Although I have to admit the option for non-glossy displays is getting harder to find from everyone. I think Mac could capture more market share for sure … if they made matte screens a selling point.
Apple, we are your loyal followers – with you from the beginning. As an innovative company, Apple knows how important it is to have its ‘base’ feel that they have been heard. As graphic design professionals we have stood by Apple when others doubted. I added the matte screen to my MacBook Pro last year and have waited knowing that Apple would hear our cry for a 27 inch matte display. But, alas, once again …disappointment to find that it still does not exist. Is anyone out there at Apple listening?
I don’t understand what’s wrong with Apple; It’s more than 2 years that I would like to switch to Mac but I cannot do it since Apple will offer only glossy. I’ve an Eizo screen and it’s wonderful, a joy for my eyes. I would love an iMac matte, but I could buy also something between Mac Mini (not enough powerful) and Mac Pro (too much expensive). As many said before I would pay more money for a matte iMac. Anyway, I’m quite pessimist about it – Apple makes most of their profits with iPhone and iPad, and I think they don’t care so much about computers.
(Italy)
I’d love to buy the Apple 27″ Thunderbolt Cinema Display if it had matte option. I’d pay extra for it like with the MacBook Pro.
I’d buy a Thunderbolt Cinema Display and a MacBook Air if Apple offered them with matte screens. Clearly there is a market for it, and clearly people are willing to pay 50 bucks extra for it, so why don’t Apple offer it for all their products?
It’s because Steve Jobs doesn’t like matte screens on iMacs. I received an email (purportedly) from Steve Jobs to that effect.
MacMatte editor
I’m ready to purchase a new 21.5″ or 27″ iMac but refuse to until Apple offer a matte screen. I became an “Apple-switcher” about 12-15 years ago and have given some serious accolades about Mac/Apple over the years and have convinced many people to switch to Apple. Sorry to say I’ve not done any bragging about Mac/Apple since Apple don’t listen to their customers anymore. I have “contacted” Apple twice since they switched to all-glossy and have gotten no reply. All I can say is “Thanks” Apple, or is that lemon now, just another sour taste.
Regretfully, tweakster@apple.com….
I love the Apple MacBook Pro 13″, although the screen resolution should be made higher I think to match that of the macbook air 13″. Since I’m a developer I really need a matte screen as much of my time I spend using applications with dark bacgrounds and light foreground text. Apple please add the matte display option to the MacBook Pro 13″. Yes, we’ll even pay money for you to NOT put a glossy glass layer on top of your underlying screen.
Add me to the list. I have a 13″ MacBook Pro that I update every year. I tolerate the glossy screen because I don’t use it very often. But my primary computer is a 2006 Mac Pro with a pair of 20″ matte displays (one is an old aluminum Apple display). I’ve been putting off upgrading for about 3 years now. I keep waiting for a matte 27″ iMac to replace my whole system. I refuse to torture myself with a glossy screen at home. I spend hours every day using this computer. I don’t live in a cave so matte is a must. My only alternatives are buying a Mac Mini (not much power, not great power to cost ratio) or buying a newer Mac Pro (more power than I need, twice the price I want to pay). It’s so obvious that the 27″ iMac is the perfect Mac for me … I’d probably be on my second one by now. But instead, I stuck an SSD and ATi5770 into my ancient Mac Pro and I wait…
Also for what it’s worth, I’m not alone. I’m a computer consultant and many of my customers also dislike the glossy screen, and are holding on to older matte-screen Macs for that very reason. I only know one person (out of hundreds of customers) that actually bought Apple’s glossy 27″ external display. EVERYONE opts for 3rd party matte screens that use the same panel, but are matte (Dell, HP and DoubleSight make screens with the same panel).
If Apple released a matte iMac and 27″ Cinema Display tomorrow that were optionally matte, and didn’t cost any extra, I’d place an order for both immediately. Not exaggerating, I would buy RIGHT AWAY.
I had a MacBook Pro with matte screen, but when it went in for repair under Applecare they replaced it with a glossy screen which I didn’t notice until it was too late. Since then it has been extremely difficult working with the glossy screen. I will never opt for glossy. Matte screens are a necessity. Glossy screen look great for about 5 minutes and probably help sales in-store, as everything looks polished and classy – I believe this is the reason Apple opts for glossy. Disappointing.
(United Kingdom)
I am in total agreement. I refused an iMac. I refuse the Apple monitors. We live in Florida and there is so much sun in every room that it’s impossible to get by with a glossy screen if you work on one. My eyes are especially sensitive to light. So I’ve got a cheapo Compaq monitor which I connect to a matte-screen MacBook Pro. Apple, you do everything else right – why be so stubborn on this?
Clearwater Florida
After hearing so many wonderful things about how great Apple products are and how my life will suddenly improve after working on one, I bought a 21.5″ iMac about half a year ago. After 1 month I experienced my first full-blown migraine with visual aura. Being the first migraine, I couldn’t associate it with the iMac, so I associated it with stress. Then I got a three week vacation and worked quite long days on the iMac, doing photography. I started to have migraines with visual aura after about 3-4 hours of working in the iMac. Don’t get me wrong, I have two 22″ Samsung matte monitors at work sitting side by side, and I use these matte screens together at least 8 hours per working day without any eye strain, headache or migraine setting in, without fatigue etc.
Now it’s too late to return the iMac and ask for a refund, but I truly feel cheated by Apple. Suggestions to remove the glossy panel, sit 6 meters away from the screen and drop the brightness until I can’t see a thing are pure rubbish solutions. I paid a load a money for a high quality product, so I should expect high quality. To be honest, I don’t care if it’s because of glare or not. I have a Dell laptop with glossy screen and I haven’t got one single headache from working on it.
I have to remove the glossy panel. This shows a very, very poor design. I paid for a finished product, not for a DIY project. I also have enough furniture in my house, so I was not looking for another piece.
The fact that Apple doesn’t disclose the screen manufacturer makes me quite nervous actually. It’s the most important piece of the whole package, and not knowing it’s source (actually, hiding the source) could indicate that it’s the cheapest of all, regardless of quality.
I’m very disappointed with the low quality of the iMac.
(Germany)
I too love matte – the glare kills my eyes. My wife has a matte-screened MacBook Pro which is a thing of beauty. Once you go matte, you can’t go back.
The headaches and eye strain are just killing me! Please Apple: give us a matte option on the iMac. Every MacBook Pro I’ve purchased so far has been with the matte option. I even waited to buy the 17″ model until the matte option was introduced a few years ago after the matte option was temporarily dropped. My company has now bought me a new iMac and the glossy screen is giving me terrible headaches. I spend nights at home in agony with tremendous pain around my eyes.
If you are an employee, you should make your company aware of the problem. The glossy screen is an occupational health hazard, and your company has a legal obligation to provide you with a safe workplace. Wisely, the European Union prohibits glossy screens from the workplace. Apple’s glassy screens take glossy to a whole new level. What is it going to take, I wonder, to convince Apple to provide safe and healthful products?
I did make my employer aware of the situation; the headaches and eye strain did not decrease after a couple of weeks. For now, I’ve parked an older matte 23″ Cinema Display in front of the iMac screen and dimmed the iMac brightness as low as possible. How ridiculous is that?! But the headaches are gone. My next step is simply going back to my older Mac Pro so I don’t have to have dual screens on my desk. Look at how long this petition has gotten… multiple posts a day.
From Wikipedia:
Matte vs glossy screen
Since the transition on October 14, 2008 to the Aluminum models, Apple removed the matte, anti-glare screen as an option for its Cinema Displays. As a consequence, the Cinema Displays have been available from Apple only with a glossy screen. Apple removed the matte screen option from its line of iMac desktop computers on August 7, 2007, so Apple does not offer any desktop equipment with a matte, anti-glare screen. This has caused concern among a sizeable segment of users that need matte screens for their particular area of work, for example, graphic designers, photographers, and users that view their screens for many hours per day.[3] A common complaint is that the reflections from the glossy screen can lead to eyestrain and headaches among a certain percentage of the population who are prone to eyestrain, known as Computer vision syndrome. The Wall Street Journal referred to Apple’s removal of the matte screen as one of Apple’s worst design decisions.[4] Apple’s decision to remove a matte, anti-glare screen option from its desktop product line seems at odds with polls which indicate that anywhere from 50-75% of users prefer matte screens.[5][6] A report from the University of Queensland in Australia indicated that there could be long term adverse health effects from prolonged use of glossy screens on Apple computers.[7] This has raised questions on the suitability of Apple desktop equipment for use for work in offices in the European Union since there are E.U. regulations in place that specify that a computer “screen shall be free of reflective glare and reflections liable to cause discomfort to the user”.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Cinema_Display
Steve Jobs is always being described as a man with incredible vision. Well, in this respect, his vision has, literally, failed him. Which is why he was no longer fit for his Job. My guess is that as soon as the new Apple CEO is secure in his position, one of his major decisions will be to bring matte screens back to Apple. If not, Apple may well continue to dominate the tablet and smartphone markets, but will play a declining role in the personal computer markets, and only for as long as they offer the Mac Mini.
I myself have waited 2 years to upgrade my PowerMac G5 and Cinema Display screen. Eventually I have opted for a Mac Mini with an Eizo matte screen and a Unicomp Model 5 (1980s IBM Style) keyboard. The funny thing is, I always wanted the cool Apple design on my desk, but after I had accepted that Apple would persist in refusing to offer the matte option, I simply moved on to other makes; and now I no longer care. Mind you, I have been using Apple computers since my first MacPlus without HD and a Daisywheel printer, so it’s been a long association, remaining loyal all through the bad years.
But I don’t care for Steve Jobs any longer, seeing how he so flagrantly abuses all those hundreds of thousands of media professionals, who have helped Apple to get where they are now. As an example, years ago, I brought my Mac Plus to work (an advertising agency, with IBM as a client) and thus introduced Apple products there.
Neither do I care any longer about Apple as such. I only care about what works best for me. And what works best, are those thousands of independent software developers, and the Mac OS operating system.
Steve Jobs has managed to single-handedly kill one of the most noteworthy examples of exemplary customer loyalty in the modern history of the West. I will remember him for the Mac Plus, and for MacGloss. He has lost his vision, and he is apparently intent on causing all of us to lose our vision as well, so it’s only right that he should be sidelined.
Pathetic, really. I thought I’d never say this, but my admiration has switched completely to Bill Gates, because in the end, Bill opted for a worthy cause whereas Steve allowed his pride to lose him the admiration of a great many of his long standing and loyal customers.
So, I declare that in the end, Steve lost and Bill won.
As another annoyed professional, I am very distressed about the new 27 inch glossy screen added to the studio. All at once, new color issues are arising! Has anyone tried spraying anything on it to tone down the reflection?
I have been battling with the glossy screen since getting my new laptop two years ago. It’s impossible to use the glossy screen unless you sit in a completely flat-black room, wearing matte black clothing. The screen acts as a mirror for everything in the environment.
Apple, please stop producing these monstrosities. I use the laptop for many image and video files as well as text files. It has increased error, and lowered my productivity.
We hate glossy screens. If Apple has any values in the area of usability, please think about:
- working where there is a lightbulb
- working on trains
- working where there is sun
- working almost anywhere, where you don’t have perfect lighting conditions.
I work as a colourist and the matte screen is imperative. Plus I get really bad headaches with a glossy screen, through the eyes being under so much strain! So maybe I should sue Apple for damaging my eyes…it could be a way forward so they get their arses into gear!
I very disappointed Mac professional!
(United Kingdom)
Dear Apple, please offer matte screens on all your line. Charge more, if needed.
Got Matte?
Please Apple, it’s pretty obvious there’s a whole market of people waiting for this option.
Dear Mr. Apple Macintosh, Sr. –
Please listen to your 20-year-plus devoted user base and PLEASE bring back matte screens. Graphic artists the world over are reeling that Apple simply ignores this issue – it’s downright arrogant and actually a bit hateful. Really. Everyone GETS that you are trying to appeal to the PC user with the hard, black edge and nasty shinyness, and with a fair amount of success too. Go stock, go!! But come on now. I remember my PC friends expressing envy at how beautiful and futuristic the all-white iMac with the matte screen was – in fact, I’m still on my early-2006 baby right now. “Good girl…hang in there, Bessie, I know you’re like 100 in computer years, but daddy is holding out for your original body and beauty to make a comeback”, said the sad designer, his tears happily not reflected in the un-shiny screen. This all-white, matte iMac…oh, it’s like Wonder Woman’s transparent airplane – barely there yet so incredibly there for you.
“Good design works when you don’t even notice it’s there.” –Someone smart
Was it someone at Apple that may have said this, perhaps? Right, they’re probably dead, fired, or they moved to another company that cares about design stuff. Just like you used to, Mr. Apple Macintosh, Sr.
boohoo, waahhh
Scott Daris
scottdaris@hotmail.com
Mac man since the Apple IIgs, super-mega-loaded
with MacPaint, HyperCard, and 24 fonts. Yow!
I am an academic and have been a Mac user since 1984. My 12″ G4 MacBook Pro died in September 2010. I have not replaced it because I do not want a glossy screen with all the reflections. I want a 13″ MacBook Pro with a matte screen. Is that too much to ask? I hoped Apple would see the light and introduce a matte screen in the February 2011 MacBook Pro refresh but it did not. So I am working with a Mac Mini and a matte monitor. I have given up on portability. Perhaps it is time for me to go back to a Linux OS in order to get a matte screen.
Matte is necessary.
Apple — please offer the Thunderbolt display with a matte screen. Until you do, it will have to be Dell monitors for me.
I have an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15″ with anti-glare screen. I was hoping the introduction of the new Apple Cinema Display with the Thunderbolt connection would also have an anti-glare option. I have my $1,000 set aside, but cannot purchase the product I want. I may have to order a Dell screen. The 2 cable connection would be sweet and clean, but my eyes are more important. Apple, we want an anti-glare 27″ Cinema Display!
Matte screens are simply better for one’s vision. The health of my eyes trumps any other consideration. Apple, please offer a matte choice on at least some of your models.
Thanks
I too am aching for a Thunderbolt display with a matte screen, as an extension monitor for my MacBook Pro – but will probably have to settle for a Samsung or something. I really don’t want to either – but I can’t postpone my purchase any longer. I’m gonna be PISSED if I buy it and then Apple finally listens to it’s customers – but then again, relieved as well.
I was just at the Apple Store on W. 14th in Manhattan, and was going to purchase either a MacBook Pro or MacBook Air but couldn’t stand the glossy screens!!!! HORRIBLE!
I’m a writer, and the glossy screen makes the text look like it’s behind a television set – not exactly the best atmosphere for creating. Who wants to write while the words are behind some glossy fishbowl? And it’s a terrible visual for a creative person – picking up all sorts of reflections and visual distortions while trying to work.
I can’t afford the almost $2,000 needed to purchase the MacBook Pro with the matte screen – and don’t feel it’s fair to me to be put in this position. There should be a matte option for the 13 inch MacBook Pro.
So for now, I’ll continue working on my IBook G4, and its beautiful matte screen. I realize now how lucky I am to have this laptop. I’ve also never experienced even one technical problem with this laptop in all the years I’ve owned it.
But it’s now time to purchase a new laptop — and Apple, you’ve really let me down. I can’t believe I may actually be forced to buy a Windows PC. UGH.
Apple, please make matte screens available for all your models!
I got the last MacBook Pro (17-inch, Late 2008) to have a matte screen. And recently got a large Dell matte monitor. I have been using Macs since 1993 when I bought a Quadra 840AV. I would never consider a glossy screen. Glossy screens are not suitable for serious graphic work.
Now I know why other graphic designers and artists we know have moved over to Windows PC’s. I never asked before. We were just going to upgrade our two 2006 iMacs (which have inherent flaws in the cooling systems) with newer iMacs (a glutton for punishment) but now need to reconsider. I do know that glossy screens aren’t going to cut it.
Apple’s consumer-hostile approach and non-responsiveness to this issue can be added to a growing list of reasons (planned obsolescence among them) of why I don’t promote Macs to friends, colleagues or relatives anymore. It isn’t just these screens.
Thunderbolt Cinema Display – matte screen option!!!! however it looks like…
Apple, please make the iMac with a matte screen. Also, bring back the 24″ iMac. The 21″ is too small and the 27″ is too big.
My MacBook Pro is matte, I love it. My Cinema Display is glossy and it makes reading code almost painful. I love almost everything else about the monitor but I won’t buy another unless there is a matte option.
Apple, please a matte option … or I won’t buy another iMac. Apple was really taking care of its customers once. Now it seems that those days are long gone. Sad isn’t it?
(Italy)
Does any one have hard facts on cost or technical or any viable reason Apple chooses to go in this direction with highly reflective glare intensive screens. I can’t accept putting down the premium that Apple gets for it’s products and have this glare issue. We are supposed to be buying the MacBook Air’s and the other laptops for the ability to use them any where – not anywhere there is a cloudy day or you can sit in a park under a blanket during a hot sunny day.
Apple has a history of citing two reasons for using the glass screens.
One, customers love glossy screens. The existence of this petition, plus numerous professional reviews, clearly indicate that the glass screens are a sore spot for customers and professionals alike.
Two, the glass is 100% recyclable. While this may be true, not having a glass panel covering a computer display is certainly more environmentally friendly than having one.
When you consider the fossil fuels needed to manufacture the glass, in addition to the added fuel needed to transport shipments made heavier by the presence of the glass, it doesn’t add up.
I’m yet another potential Apple customer, deferring purchase because I don’t want an iMac with a high gloss screen. Please Apple, ‘think different’ and don’t just follow the current fashion for gloss screens… It’s not clear and it’s not clever… And is costing you business.
Let’s get real: matte screens are a necessity for professionals working with computers. If you are a photographer, graphic artist you need the eye comfort for your work. That could be done only with a matte finish screens. Not willing to provide that option, Apple proves that it is not serious about their products and is not respectful towards computer-using professionals. Amen!
I won’t buy another Mac product (I’ve owned a Cinema Display, a Mac Mini, and two MacBooks) until matte screens are an option – and no, we shouldn’t have to pay extra for it.
Apple, please, please give me an iMac with matte screen. I am a potential Apple customer, but cannot and will not purchase until there is a matte screen. I’m a writer/artist who spends hours each day in front of computer. High gloss screens gives me a headache.
I find it hard to believe that Steve Jobs removed the matte screen option from Apple computers. He did so many great things after returning as CEO but this is dreadful. I have used and enjoyed Apple computers for years as a graphic artist. I loved my 20 inch white G5 iMac which after many years of flawless operation switched itself off. I was quite prepared to buy a new iMac until I saw those horrible shiny screens. Now I have bought a Mac Mini and am obliged to go for a non-Mac monitor. I really wanted a 27 inch Cinema Display but don’t want eye strain and headaches. Last time Apple abandoned its professional users, the company almost disappeared.
Graphic designers need matte screens to have the accuracy of colors. I have an old iMac (2006) with a matte screen that I have to change shortly, but I don’t know what to do because the glossy screen of the new iMacs cause problems for my everyday work. For the moment, my colleagues sent me a test project to check the accuracy of the colors and variations in contrasts on my matte screen. I have the oldest iMac in the company, which is no longer sufficient for my daily work, but the glossy screens of the new iMac is actually worse because of the glossy screen. Unfortunately, for me, it should be downshifting to buy a new iMac.
Glossy screens look apalling!
THE FUTURE IS MATTE
I spend most of my day working in front of my computer. I am told that the software program I use will work much faster on an iMac: this would contribute substantially to my productivity and cut the time needed for my project. However, I have seen iMacs in several stores and the reflections in their screens clearly demonstrate that it would be almost impossible to view data on them. Several screens have been like mirrors, and I could use them to comb my hair! While I understand that the glossy screens may be excellent for displaying films in darkened rooms, academics work in daylight or with artificial lighting and an iMac glossy screen is patently inappropriate for anybody who needs to concentrate on the screen as he works. Sadly, therefore, I shall not buy an iMac unless a matte screen becomes available.
I have just acquired an iMac 27″ and hate the reflective screen. It makes retouching very difficult. I can handle the distraction of seeing myself all day but I need to be able to analyse an image. It’s pretty annoying.
I was all ready to buy an iMac when I discovered about the glossy screen. This is a big concern for people with migraine so, Apple, please make a matte screen available!
I’m a graphic designer, currently using a 2006 Mac Pro with an old design HD matte screen Cinema Display.
I work in a white studio with high levels of light, resulting in high levels of reflection in modern glossy iMac and Cinema Displays, I don’t have perfect vision and while I don’t need to wear glasses to use a computer on a daily basis, after a day of using any of my co-worker’s glossy iMacs I suffered from fatigue-induced lazy-eye (double vision).
I’ve refused upgrades twice now due to the glossy coating applied to the 2011 and earlier range of iMac and Cinema Displays.
While glossy coatings were a fun gimmick when they were first introduced (I used to own a Dell XPS M1710 laptop with a glossy screen long before Apple introduced them) they are not practical for day to day design work, nor would I prefer to use a glossy screen at home to do anything; My Sony HDTV definitely does not feature a glossy display and if they forced this option I would swiftly switch to a different manufacturer.
The use of glossy coatings also contradict their design philosophy of simplicity, as they introduce visual noise and interference between my eyes and the content displayed.
In terms of industrial design the glossy coatings are a dishonest way to present a display, just as you wouldn’t paint or veneer over beautifully cut aluminium or glass, nor would you want to artificially augment the appearance of a display technology through a lacquer coating.
The colour-pop argument is redundant. All computer software allow you to alter the ‘digital’ colour levels which if pushed to the max result in some crazy neon colour levels. The glossy coating only serves to eliminate diffuse reflections seen in dark black levels, resulting in a darker black; However this is replaced with a mirrorlike reflections in all blacks as well as unwelcome highlight glare from your surroundings.
Come on Apple stop compromising your beautiful displays.
They do not need ‘tarting up’.
I’m still using my 2005 Dual G5 Power Mac, with a lovely, matte, 20″ Apple Cinema Display. I’d love a new iMac to replace it with, but I can’t – the reflections from the glossy screen would make me ill. I suffer from migraines from time to time, and I know, from past experience, that using a glossy screen will cause a headache – within about half an hour. So, sooner or later, I am gonig to have to return to using horrible Microsoft Windows – just because Apple won’t listen to their customers, and make a matte screen option available.
Why do Apple have to ‘buck the trend’? Televisions have dropped the old glossy screens and gone matte – why? Because people don’t like the reflections. Come on Apple – get with it!!!!!
I’ve bought a Mac Mini and a non-glossy Samsung matte screen. If only the iMac’s had non-glossy screens…. *sigh*
(Netherlands)
Let’s be blunt here … Jobs is gone and so is his ego. If Jobs was the problem standing in the way of matte displays, then the new management team under Tim Cook needs to take a hard look at offering a matte option for the iMac and Cinema Display. There is no reason not to offer this option – it represents another revenue stream for Apple, and will greatly enhance the company’s reputation among media professionals once again … you know, the niche that saved Apple from itself in the early to mid 1990′s.
Apple, please.
I agree with Michael. Lets be blunt again!! I believe one big reason for Apple not offering matte is due to iMacs, Mac Mini, and the laptops being very powerful these days, with software becoming more efficient. This would cause the Mac Pro desktop a lot of competition from professional purchases. I would have bought 5-6 iMacs already if matte was an option, and you will still have plenty of people who need the expansion of the desktop.
I really want to buy a Mac. I have been Windows PC’er my whole life but recently have been so happy using a borrowed MacBook Pro. However, I MUST have a matte screen. Incredibly, this matte is not an option. INSANE that this is not an option. VERY STUPID from a very smart company like Apple that this is not an option.
Apple, matte screens please!!! My eyes hurt like hell and I don’t want to have to go back to a Windows PC! Please stop being evil and make matte screens!!!
(Canada)
Apple
While glossy has some decent color saturation, it can be hell. As I type this I have the reflection of me and the room behind me. My eyes just don’t like trying to focus on so many things at once.
At least give me the option, even if I pay a couple more bucks, to get a matte screen!!!!
I’m in the same boat – I need a new computer. I need something with more horsepower than a laptop processor, which rules out the Mac Mini or a clamshelled MacBook Pro. That leaves the Mac Pro or iMac. I can’t afford the Mac Pro, and I can’t tolerate the glossy screen on the iMac. Yes, there are highly controlled situations where the glossy screen is fantastic; it’s just hard to find them in the actual, physical world, where one does not always control every aspect of decor and lighting. (And in fact, one should not have to re-architect one’s living spaces to avoid seeing a mirror-like reflection on an effing monitor.)
I am a huge subscriber to the Apple ethos in every other way; not sure why they’ve gone to the mat on the wrong side of this issue. With Windows 7 finally decent, and with Cygwin, every day I creep closer to saying to hell with it and jumping ship.
Just because I did buy an iMac 27″ with glossy screen does not mean I am happy about it. The reflections on these machines are ridiculous. For Apple to provide no option of matte is basically lazy. Apple, we want matte back and we want it now! I’ve been using Apples since pre-Macintosh, i.e. Apple II europlus days. I still have a MacBook Pro with a non-glossy display and would not give it up for a new one because of this. Apple, you as manufacturers are asking me to live in an unlit cave just to satisfy your vanity as to whether you know better than your customers on the glossy front. Truth is … you dont. Many of us quite obviously know clearly what is wrong with Apple products better than Apple does. How can this be? As I am staring at this dark webpage I can quite clearly see myself in my screen. This is irritating. Apple, stop falling in love with your own decision-making and listen to your pro users who are irrtated by the misdecisions you keep making. And don’t suggest I can apply an antiglare film when it’s the kind of thing that must be done in the factory to offer a reasonable result, as the applied films messes with the pixels too much and offer a grainy wierd rainbow effects on hi-res screens such as the 27″ iMac.
(United Kingdom)
Me too, I am willing to pay a premium for a matte screen option on the Cinema Display!
Apple fan here.
Apple, please bring back the matte screen option. I can only barely work with my iMac with its glass off.
I have purchased six Mac notebooks over the past 10 years. I would like to get a MacBook Air as my next notebook, and a more powerful iMac at home (to save weight when traveling). However I can’t even think of getting an iMac with the glare screen, and will have to look at other ultra books if Apple refuses to make a matte screen version. The glare screen hurts my eyes if I look at it more than a little while, and it’s impossible to see during certain times of the day. Only having a very pricey matte option on the 15 and 17-inch MacBook Pros is not acceptable. Don’t get me started on the 27″ Thunderbolt glare screen. I have a 30″ Cinema Display, but I will never replace it with an Apple monitor until there is a matte option. Apple, I know you are well to do now, but you are going to start losing my sales to competitors. For general coding tasks and scientific computing, Linux is starting to look better as your hardware options grow poorer in ergonomics.
I’m a graphic artist using a 2006 iMac because I don’t want a glossy screen. I seriously need to upgrade, but will not be buying the new iMac unless a matte screen is an option. I would be willing to pay extra for it.
Dear Apple. Sorry about Steve. I’ve only owned Macs – I own 3 iMacs, a cube my 10 year old uses, a 2003 iMac that my 11 year old uses and this 2006 iMac. All these have a matte screen. I won’t buy a glossy screen anything. Glare is bad. No glare is good. Please bring back matte screens so I can give my 2006 iMac to my 13 year old and have a new one for me
otherwise I’ll have to buy a Mac Mini and some off-brand matte screen monitor. Think matte matte matte.
your devoted friend and patron, Jo Black
I am a designer and CANNOT work on a glossy iMac. I love Mac computers but had to switch to a matte screen Windows PC. I already have bad eyesight, so the switch was necessary. It seems that Apple cares more about their product appearance than customer comfort. Shame too because, so far, I have been pleased with Apple’s customer service.
The glossy screens are useless for professional graphic design. We have to have the blinds down in the studio because the reflection/glare in too much. When working with vector graphics some colours disappear completely when you take them down to a 10% tint. What’s laughable is that the so called Mac Genius’s in the Apple store actually tried to convince me that the glossy screens had better colour accuracy. We opened the same graphic on a matte screen and low and behold the 10% tint was visible!
(United Kingdom)
HEY APPLE, DO YOU NOT SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL USING THE 2006 iMac? (ME INCLUDED) OR DO APPLE SIMPLY NOT GIVE A $HiT?! WTF?!
Many people need to seriously upgrade (umm, 5 years and counting) but being the awesome, loyal Mac bitches that we are, we’re holding off and still waiting for you to at least create the OPTION for us while the rest of the PC-to-Mac drones who don’t care about quality and finesse continue to use their ugly, hateful black-framed glossy monsters using third-tier apps and Microsoft Office 2010. I’m ready to get a fast Windows PC and run an OS X emulator, and for $1000 less! Snarl.
Me too, I’m still using the 2006 white iMac. The sad thing is that, because I can get tax deductions, I would probably have bought a new iMac every year since then. But I am stuck with it because I cannot get a matte screen. That’s at least 4-5 iMac sales that Apple has lost.
MacMatte Editor
Same here. In the summer of 2007, I wanted a new iMac but held off on buying one because I knew a redesign was coming. As soon as the aluminum iMac came out, I drove an hour to the Apple store, fell in love with it, and after spending 45 minutes on it in the store, decided I was going home that day with a brand new iMac. But I had more shopping to do, and wanted to grab lunch, so my plan was to stop back at the Apple store when I was finished and pick up the iMac. Well, while I was shopping in the mall, I got the worst throbbing headache between my eyes I’ve ever had, and I suspected it was from the glassy screen. I held off on buying the iMac that day. I wanted to give my eyes a chance to rest. A few days later, I made a second trip to the Apple store, and within 20 minutes on the iMac, the headache came back. That’s when I decided to pick up a new white iMac while they were still available. I’ve been waiting ever since for Apple to produce the iMac with a matte screen option.
Love my Mac 30″ monitor, Love my Mac 20″ palette monitor. Their luscious matte screens are always easy on the eyes. I cannot fathom the decision made by Apple to no longer offer these matte options. This is a vote of solidarity. I unite with you – my fellow designers – we deserve matte screens!
Apple, please, offer a matte option for your displays and iMacs. Charge as necessary, but please offer such option. The alternative is Windoze for our University.
Apple’s dictating how people must work and forcing them to buy new elements is not compatible with Apple’s historic “friendliness”. Apple will lose it’s edge if goes on this way.
(Canada)
The time has come to upgrade my 2006 iMac — the last of the matte line. My preference is another iMac, however in my sun-lit kitchen a glossy screen is not an option. I will go with a Mac Mini and 3d party monitor. Apple, please offer us a choice!
Hello, this message has been written on my MacBook pro from my couch. There is a window behind and I can see myself as in a mirror. It’s very painful, especially on a website like this one that has black background (nice move by the way, it makes the claim all the more obvious). At the moment I am searching for a non-Apple external monitor. I would love to get the thunderblot display but I have no use for another mirror, so I will have to find another option from another supplier.
(France)
As a designer I find colour matching much easier on the matte screen. Printed things are closer to the colour on matte screens. As my job also entails spending hours on end staring at the screen I am also concerned for the health of my eyes – not to mention constantly seeing your reflection in your design work which is just plain annoying. I too have held off for a couple of years on buying a new Mac … so yet more sales lost by Apple. Any longer Apple takes to issue matte screens the more people will be buying third party monitiors resulting in further losses. Years of being supported by the design industry before Apple became trendy again forgotten. Apple, we were there when no one else wanted you. Please give us our matte screens back.
I am a user-interface (UI) designer and photographer, and long-time Mac user, so matte screens are a must. Would love to own an iMac but will not buy a headache-producing glossy machine. It’s bad enough that I spend so much time in front of a screen already! Just received my new 15″ MacBook Pro with a lovely matte hi-res screen, a replacement of my 2007 model which is on its last legs.
Amazing to have to actually pay Apple to not have the “pretty” (shiny!) screen put on. (For any of you readers who are hesitating between the two options, the anti-glare screen is simply the plain old LCD screen laptops have always had.)
What I don’t like about the newer model – aside from having to pay for a matte screen – is the thin rubber casing running around the outer edge of the screen. Granted it seems there to dust out of the keyboard when shut, but it looks like a major repository for dust and grime, quite the opposite of what you’d expect from this sleek unibody design. If Apple had found a way to add a thin matte screen similar to the glossy screen that wouldn’t degrade the picture quality, THAT would have been a fantastic solution. Until then, gorgeous screen, lame construction. And please please Apple, give us an anti-glare screen option for the iMac – until then, I won’t buy one!
For the first time in 27 years, I’m looking at non-Apple products because of the lack of matte screens on Apple products. I may well leave the Mac fold just for a large, matte screen. Why can’t Apple produce one? Now would be a good time to do it!
My future computer would not be an iMac if Apple do not propose a matte screen option because I’m tired of having a mirror in place of a screen. I have a 27″ with a window behind me – it gave me headaches …
I would appreciate learning Apple’s reasoning as to why there is no matte option for iMac’s and Cinema Display’s. What does it cost Apple to satisfy customers who are willing to pay, and there are a great many of us who would gladly pay more for a matte option. Therefore, a matte option represents still another revenue stream for Apple. So why not give many thousands of Apple customers exactly what they want, a matte option at an increased cost … how does it hurt Apple in the least to do so?
Apple offers i5 or i7 processor options, RAM size options, mouse or trackpad options, disk capacity options, … What is the actual problem for matte/glossy option?… $?… they are included in the price … or you can put extra price for GLOSSY option!
For the record, I received an email from Steve Jobs basically indicating zero chance of matte screens. If you read the eulogy by Mona Simpson, Steve Jobs’ sister, I really think the lack of matte screens came down to Steve Jobs thinking that shiny screens were beautiful as art – and be damned if everyone else misunderstood him.
“Novelty was not Steve’s highest value. Beauty was … His philosophy of aesthetics reminds me of a quote that went something like this: “Fashion is what seems beautiful now but looks ugly later; art can be ugly at first but it becomes beautiful later.” Steve always aspired to make beautiful later. He was willing to be misunderstood.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/mona-simpsons-eulogy-for-steve-jobs.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
That’s stunning.
What exactly did Steve write about this to you? And when?
I think everyone on this forum/petition would like to read that entire e-mail exchange verbatim,
It’s hard to believe that Jobs is on the record about this, but please tell us more.
A few years ago, I e-mailed Steve suggesting that he make matte screens available once again on MacBook Pros and charge $50 extra for that option.
And he did so — although he never replied directly to my e-mail, I always liked to think I influenced him, but who knows?
In any case, I find it difficult to understand why he would agree to requests like that on the big MacBook Pros but not on other products, such as the big displays and perhaps the most loaded iMacs, which also would likely have a lot of heavy duty, pro users who would prefer matte.
Please tell us more about your interaction with Jobs about this.
Thanks!
Here is the email I received from Steve Jobs regarding matte screens. The email consists, in its entirety, of the letter O. Make of it what you will, but what we can conclude is that the anti-matte screen stance came from Steve Jobs himself.
When I received the email back in May 2011, I chose not to publish it then. First, as you can see, the email is brief, and not supportive of matte screens. Second, rightly or wrongly, I didn’t want to use it to turn the matte debate onto Steve himself, rather than on Apple – but I feel ok with publishing it now that Steve is no longer with us.
Thank you for posting that e-mail exchange . . .
Jobs’ cryptic and rather curt “O” response is not, I admit, very encouraging.
Maybe I’m reading far too much into this, but it seems to mean “Oh?” uttered in a slightly sarcastic, almost contemptuous way . . .
Steve was famously stubborn and inner-directed, but I still find this reply strange and hard to understand.
Apple, if you do not want to use matte screens for some reason, not even charging more for it as we have requested, then for God’s sake at least do not kill our eyes and give us headaches, loss of productivity and compromise our sanity and overall health. Use this new glass:
Japanese Firm Develops ‘Invisible Glass’
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20111028/199970
Amazing Invisible Glass Kills Glare Dead
http://gizmodo.com/5854321/amazing-invisible-glass-kills-glare-dead
‘Invisible glass’ could reduce display glare, fails as food-in-teeth mirror
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/31/invisible-glass-could-reduce-display-glare-fails-as-food-in-t
THANK YOU.
I hope that this is the final solution. Apple is happy with their stupid glasses and so are our eyes-
Hi to all,
Max, this new “invisible glass” seems to be good! I hope the new Apple iMac are using a matte screen or this new “matte glass”
(Italy)
Hi there folks at Apple,
Everybody who wants to do serious work with their Mac just can’t do it on a glossy screen. Tell me it is not annoying and nearly impossible or hard on the eyes. You cannot really believe that glossy is better. Not for writers, not for editors, not for watching movies, not for watching photos. The reflections and the glare ruin every benefit the colors may be getting from that glossy technology.
Glossy-screen Apple products don’t sell so well because of their glossiness, but despite of it.
(Germany)
For two years straight, I had the chance to work with an MacBook Pro that had a matte screen (before the age of the glossy screens though) and I was a convert. I swore never again to use anything but a Mac. When the time came for me to upgrade, however, the glossy screen had arrived
I haven’t touched a Mac again. Apple folks, give us back the matte screen option (even for 13″ models). Pretty please.
Both my iMac and iBook are now well out of date, but the glossy screen on new models is absolutely intolerable. The invention of antiglare screens solved the debilitating problem of reflection from the screen interfering with work. Why the hell have Apple reintroduced the problem to us all? At least give the option of a matte screen on ALL models, so that those of us who value being able to actually use the computer rather than seeing it as a fashion statement can update.
Matte screen options please, Apple. Still waiting for that to buy a new Mac.
NEED MATTE … Come on, Apple, this is ridiculous.
Dear Apple,
Please make matte screen available for all models. Please. Thank you.
Yours sincerely,
Ike
As a photographer, it is absolutely critical to me that my monitor display images accurately and as they will be printed on my large-format printer. With a glossy screen this is simply not possible – my own reflection changes my perception of colors, lightness/darkness. I don’t understand why Apple is refusing to provide a matte screen option as it has in the past. Photographers, graphics professionals and other creatives demand this option, and there is a large percentage of us who are Apple users, and our requests fall on Apple’s deaf ears. I just don’t understand it. I cannot and will not buy an iMac for my studio if it has a glossy screen. I’d like to buy one; I just can’t do it until the matte screen is an option.
More and more, it is becoming such that it is “Apple’s way or the highway”. I would say it is dumb to not have a matte option, but Apple is high on its iPod, iPhone and Apple Store successes that they don’t care about the glossy screen issue. Time for a #OccupyApple?
I agree with the numbers here. A matte screen option would please many people here. It would please thousands more that haven’t posted here, or don’t even know about this post.
Remember the day of the clones?
best regards
Yes, I want a matte screen. I’m happy to pay extra for it. Why don’t you offer it, Apple. Listen to the people.
(Australia)
I was hoping to replace my aging iBook with an iMac. But the iMac’s glossy screen is just too reflective. I don’t want to see myself staring back at me – I want to see my screen. In despair I have begun researching other all-in-one computers.
I’m a 3D digital artist and graphic designer. I used to love Macs, but I moved to Microsoft Windows PCs because I cannot work with the Mac’s gloss screens – I don’t want to see a reflection of myself when working. Are the Apple designers crazy?
I would love to buy an iMac, but not until they have matte screens. Also, why should I pay £120 more to have an anti-glare screen on an already expensive 15″ MacBook!! Apple even call it an ‘ANTIGLARE’ screen!!!
Apple, put a matte screen on the iMac – and I’ll buy a new 27″ inch model to replace my aging Mac Pro tomorrow. Don’t do it – and I won’t buy a new iMac – it’s that simple.
I don’t buy any kind of reasoning that suggests I should adjust my sitting or viewing position to account for a screen that’s too reflective – Apple, don’t patronize me – put a matte screen on the tool that is supposed to be helping me, solve the problem properly.
Apple’s MacBook Pro 15″ & 17″ laptops provide this option – are they so different… “no” is the clear answer there.
Matte screens… just do it.
Just in case it’s not been mentioned before – the screens on the iMac’s are attached with magnets – they literally pop off. So building a new LCD with a matte screen is as difficult as deciding to produce a matte version of the glass that’s attached to the LCD – not that hard in layman’s terms.
Apple: just do this – I’m more than happy to pay more cash (you decide how much, I’ll decide if that’s sane). But please: give me a Built-To-Order option to have a matte screen.
Thanks
–
John Clayton
Developer, Switzerland
At San Francisco Hat Company we’ve worked on matte screens on Vaio and Dell with no awareness of the matte / glossy debate. It wasn’t until just now, as we’ve looked at switching back to Mac, that we encountered Apple’s odd stand for glossy screens and the impassioned response from power users who suffer from eyestrain. In looking up issues that might affect our decision to switch to Apple, I found this site and the brilliant disturbing YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZhuoIduUt4
Our decision to go back to Mac is under study.
I am being forced to replace my Apple Cinema Display with a Dell. I am saddened and somewhat disgusted that I have to use such a wretched Dell screen just because Apple has a bad case of the glossies.
Seriously, I understand that Apple is always thinking different- but different isn’t always better. In this case- it’s more painful.
My desperately plea to Apple: bring matte back to life.
Can’t wait,
Nicky
I think the rest of us so far have been very patient with Apple producing nothing but shiny screens for ‘shiny happy people’ who like sparkly things. But many of us actually work on our computers both at home and at work where eye strain is a major problem and focusing on work and not our reflection is crucial. I have 2 matte Apple screens at work (work in advertisement and production) and I think the colors are more accurate and natural than anything I have seen recently at an Apple store – or at least when I could see what was on the screen than the lighting and faces of the folks using it.
If my existing 4 year old matte screened MacBook Pro at home finally gives up on me, and there is no refreshed Mac Pro tower to suit my processing needs or even a matte-screened iMac, then I fear I will give up on Apple.
For no apparent reason this ridiculous glossy-only policy strips us of choice and forces us to look elsewhere to make better purchasing decisions. The company I work for (with thousands of employees worldwide) is now switching us to Windows-based PCs. Cost is a major factor to this decision, but forcing a glossy screen then being told to go out and spend more money to add a matte film that looks absolutely horrible is just a slap in the face.
Therefore, since I will now be forced to work on a Windows machine at work, then why would I hold my breath for Apple to get their act together and start treating professionals with respect. After all, there would not have been an Apple to discuss of today if it were not for professionals praising the OS and spreading the news since the mid 1980′s. Instead, Apple now decided to treat professionals like pariahs, focusing only on quarterly profit targets while they insist on making hardware and software with one-size-fits-all.
That is not how the world works or how it should work. The USSR tried this method of choice up until 1992, and see where that got them!
Doubling your iPad and iPhone as a mirror must be a great bonus for some; but when you have to start working, you need as little distraction as possible, so I just hope Apple will start to listen to reason sooner than later.
I’d like to add my voice to this petition. Please, Please Apple, make all Mac products with a non-glossy version; especially the MacBook Air and your Cinema Display which I am waiting to buy once you have a matte version… waiting a long time.
I have an eye disease which makes my eyes very susceptible to glare. I enjoy my 15″ MacBook Pro with its anti-glare screen. I am wanting to purchase a 13″ MacBook Pro for toting around, but simply cannot tolerate the glossy screen. Apple, you offer anti-glare as a $150 option on your 15″ and 17″, why not go ahead and make it an option on your 13″?
I’m a graphic designer who also uses my photography in my work/portfolio. I live in Manhattan. I’ve been working on Macs both at home and at work since 1990. I’m chomping at the bit to get the 27″ iMac, but I keep putting off buying because of the, what I consider, intolerable and infamous Glossy Screen.
I’ve watched youtube videos on a variety of fixes for relieving the glare. At least one suggesting the detachment of the glass front, thereby leaving a somewhat workable solution to the bright glare problem. But good god, who really wants to mess with Jobs’ and Ive’s carefully designed hardware (presumably to look nice and function well together).
Visiting the Apple stores every few weeks for the past year and a half to see if there is any news on a matte screen has been fruitless. In fact, of the three stores I regularly check, depending on where I am in the city: the mother store on 5th Ave., SoHo, and the Upper West Side, I’ve been told by knowledgeable Apple peeps at each of these stores that I should buy one of the laptops that have matte screens. Damn, I don’t want a laptop – I want an iMac. So, to a person, they then tell me to buy a Samsung screen. It’s as though Samsung is a subsidiary of Apple! Couple of the guys I spoke with even told me they’ve bought them because they don’t like the gloss either. I was also told by one Apple salesperson that the (secretive) company had decided to make only the glossy screen for the iMac because it would sell better to the general public. What? “Well, you have a flat screen TV that’s glossy, right?” “No, I don’t,” I told him. “My 32″ HD Sony has a beautiful matte screen – no window, lamp or candle light reflections ever.” I have an extremely bright apartment (the good news)- nowhere to hide the iMac except a closet (the bad news).
Perhaps now that Mr. Iger of Disney is joining the board it will help change whomever is so against this matte screen for the iMac. Imagine, if movie theaters only had glossy iMac screens.
Disclaimer: I hold AAPL stock. I began buying the stock the day the first iPhone came on the market, June 29, 2007 (also the day I purchased my first iPhone at the 5th Ave. store). So I’d like to see a matte screen happen not only as a consumer, but as a stockholder who thinks it would be a very wise business move in deed.
We’re now forced to work on a horrible looking PC screen. I feel like an accountant. We are working in a design office and had good looking 23” Mac screens. In order to get matte screens, they are all being replaced at the moment with a horrible looking black screen (http://www.eizo.nl/monitoren/flexscan/sx/27-inch/SX2762W.html) which look like PC screens, and subsequently our office appears, not like a design office anymore, but like an accountant’s office.
At work I use a glossy iMac in one office but it is side-on to the window and the lights are usually off. I also use a Mac Pro in a brighter office for which I requested two large Samsung mattr screens. The glossy iMac screen was a factor in instead choosing the Mac Pro with matte Samsungs (there are other factors as well).
At home, between 3 people, we have two old (indestructible) G5 towers and two newer Mac Mini’s, all with large widescreen matte monitors. I wouldn’t consider any glossy screen because there are too many reflections from several light sources.
We also have two old Mac laptops both with matte screens. The glossy screens on current Mac laptops have delayed the update of these. I have looked at laptops from the other side but it’s not that bad yet.
I assume glossy screens look better in the store (are they cheaper to make?) so great to sell, but for usability glossy screens don’t seem to have much value.
Time to upgrade my iMac but the glossy screen is a disaster. Third party matte films don’t retain the clarity and calibration of the image. Since there is no matte screen option, what do I do? My friendly Apple store says buy a Mac Mini and some other brand matte screen, but like others, I want an iMac because the Mac Mini fails to match the iMac’s specifications. Please, Apple, the glossy screen pops off – surely someone can have the option of the matte as found on the MacBook Pro. In the meantime, no new iMac for me … Sorry, Apple, listen to us (a Mac user sincer 1994).
I passed two generations of MacBook Pro’s because there was no matte screen option. Now, because I travel so much, I have back-traded to a MacBook Pro !3″ — sadly with the glossy screen. As soon as a matte version appears, I will jump on it.
Apple, believing everyone wants a glossy screen is ludicrous. You should hear all of your customers complain about how hard it is to see the glossy screens in areas where lights are necessary. Apple, I want to work on my computer not see the reflections in it.
I don’t think Apple’s leaders think everyone wants glossy screens – as per Phil Schiller’s spin. Rather, I think Apple believes they can make a ton of money just with glossy screens – and that not providing glossy screens falls under their mantra of “not pleasing everyone”.
The fallacy is Steve Jobs’ other mantra – “Apple just makes great products” …. It is NOT a great product, for many people, when the high mirror-reflectivity of glossy screens causes headaches for a substantial number of Apple users, and prevents many professional users, graphic artists and photographers from using the tool for its intended purpose.
Apple
Please make all of your iMacs and monitors valuable with a matte finish!!!
Joey
One more vote for matte screens.
I’m on my fifth MacBook, stare at it roughly twelve hours a day, every day, and my eyes are deteriorating rapidly.
Apple, please give the option of matte screens across your computer range. I am happy to pay extra to cover additional costs. I understand the workings of the matte screen are identical to the glossy screen, with the exception of the top glass layer, so it must be possible to order a run of matte screens and have your tech guys swap them out for customers who choose a matte option. Apple-users who use a matte screen are purchasing products from Windows PC makers, so you must see it makes sense to offer this as an option.
I would buy a matte Thunderbolt Cinema Display in a second if it existed. What’s up Apple?
Many people, myself included, use Macs (and Apple screens) for WORK, not just for watching movies or playing games in a darkened room. Anyone using, for instance, a laptop in an airport or a plane surrounding knows that a matte screen is essential.
I was going to buy the new Apple Thunderbolt display for my (optionally matte screen) 17″ MacBook Pro (Early 2011) but cancelled when I discovered that it only comes with a gloss screen. Instead, I bought a screen made by Eizo, which still has respect for professional users.
I will never, ever buy a laptop or a monitor with a gloss screen.
Joachim Smith
Nykoping
Sweden
Using Macs since 1986
Apple, I’m still waiting for the 13 inch MacBook Pro to come with a matte screen. I can’t work on a mirror!!! So I’ll keep working on my old MacBook Pro….
(Netherlands)
I’m a videographer, and I loved my old white iMac with matte screen! I would love to buy a new iMac, but with my job the glossy screen makes the new iMac unusable!
Apple, please let us choose!
(Italy)
I agree 100%. I’ve got money to spend and I love new iMacs, but I will not buy one with a glossy screen. I’m a graphics designer and I just can’t work with reflections on top of my projects. I need to see clearly. Apple, why do we even have to ask for it?
(Poland)
Yeah, come-on Apple, you are killing working graphics pros and photographers with your glossy screens.
We currently have a 10K budget to update a couple of the Mac systems in our studio and we are immobilized by two things: the first is the outdated Mac Pros (for which we would have to still buy non-Mac matte monitors) and the second is the lack of any viable iMac options solely because of the glossy screen dilemma. None of us here (all working on our Macs 10-12 hours a day) want your glossy screens.
It seems that Apple is falling out of touch with a large core group of people who use their machines more than most. It seems difficult to image why Apple would not pay attention to the needs of the community that, per capita, probably spends more time working on their machines than any other users.
Very disappointing and upsetting. I hate the glossy monitors, they are horrible:(
Vancouver, Canada
Give one workday reason for glossy screen – only if you work in total darkness.
Give one “green” reason for glossy screen – none.
Give one component reason for glossy screen – none.
Give one reason to make glossy screens – they look sexy on the showroom floor
Why do you think Apple retail stores display their screens facing wall to wall – NO OUTSIDE REFLECTIONS
Why do you think Apple retail stores all have indirect lighting – NO REFLECTIONS
Come on Apple, this one “just doesn’t work”
I have recently disposed of a 20″ Apple Cinema display wanting to upgrade to a 24 or 27″ monitor for my Mac Pro. However, due to Apple not having a quality matte unit available, I chose to buy a NEC PA 24″ multi sync matte monitor. I only did this because Apple could not offer a matte screen that I wanted. My wife has been using an Apple 27″ monitor with her Mac Pro which was purchased recently. She does however find the glare too much and will change to another brand of monitor.
(Australia)
I am currently using a recently acquired 27″ Apple Cinema Display with my Mac Pro. The resolution is great but I am very unhappy with the glossy screen and intend to change to another brand as Apple has moved away from offering matte screens. A great pity as I like Apple products!
(Australia)
It wouldn’t be such a big deal for Apple to coat the glass of the iMac with antiglare. I am not talking about this frosted crap material that you find on all other matte screens. I am talking about museum glass which comes in different grades to make the glass itself invisible. Optical glasses also come with this sort of coating. I would pay up to $150 more for a not fuzzing coating.
I agree. The ONLY reason I’m not buying a new Mac right now is because of the lack of matte screen option. My ideal computer is a Mac Pro with two matte 27″ screens, and I can only get these monitors from a non-Apple supplier. Also, I am debating on an iMac, because the faster speeds of this all-in-one really rivals a Mac Pro’s … but not until I can get a matte screen on it.
Please Apple, let me have a matte screen on my iMac!
Apple, the decision is yours. If you want the money from our University, you must make matte displays (even if more expensive). Otherwise, no purchase. Get this clear: this is a health and productivity issue.
Returning my iMac 27″ next week: poor colour calibration (no true white) and a dodgy reflective screen.
(Switzerland)
Can’t look at glossy screens! It kills my eyes and gives me a super headache! Need a new Mac and I am SUPER frustrated. The girl in my Apple store acted like she didn’t know what a matte screen was! What has happened in the 5 years that have passed since I bought my first Mac? Should a company not grow and offer their loyal customers better and better products that they want so they can be lifelong customers? If I want flashy and shiny I will buy a pair of new shoes! My computer should not need to show off with a flashy screen. I really didn’t want to have to leave Mac, but for an investment like this I should be getting what I want. PLEASE offer matte screens in all versions of the Mac or you will lose loyal customers!
I HATE … I HATE … I HATE … THOSE STUPID GLOSS SCREENS … I’m so ready to shed the weight of my MacBook Pro, but I can’t because everthing Apple sells is glosstarded!! I remember when I bought my MacBook Pro, I had an option of glossy or matte sceens which I appreciated. I paid a little bit more for matte, but, as a designer, buying the matte was worth it!!! But now I feel like I’m forced to join the other non-designer folk who must like looking at themselves while “working” on their computers. I hope Apple come back with the non-gloss display option for all their displays, because I really wanted the 27″ display for some dual action, but ended up buying two Samsung TVs which suit my needs perfectly … and I saved $1,600.00 … Oh well for Apple … they’re going to lose a lot of creative business if they don’t stop this gloss non-sense!!
I bought an 11″ MacBook Air and it causes me very bad eyestrain, dizziness and headache within 10 minutes of using it. I love the size and weight of the MacBook Air. Too bad I can not compromise my health. It’s like a beautiful car that I can not drive
I have been using Macs for 21 years. I run a design business where we have 11 Macs. When I buy MacBook Pros I only buy matte screens because the shiny screens are unacceptable in bright light conditions such as a busy design office.
We currently have five 24 inch white iMacs that I bought used for our designers – these need upgrading but I won’t buy any glossy iMacs. If there was a matte option, they’d be ordered. Looks like the only option is Mac Minis with separate matte screens … and they won’t be Apple screens as they are glossy!
Apple is alienating its core design customers and losing money on this.
(United Kingdom)
Dear All, I am so happy to have found this blog and petition! My husband bought our new glossy screen iMac last May after his last matte screen iMac died on us. As soon as I looked at it I predicted this was bad news for my eyes – the glare and brightness was unbearable to look at and I begged my husband to return this monster! But the iMac-blind-fan he is, he refused and thought I was exaggerating even though admitting he hated the glare. Well 5 months later I started having intense pain in my eyes, especially in my right eye and its vision has deteriorated. My right eye started hurting so much that now I’ve been keeping it shut and I had to make an ophthalmologist appointment. By the way I’m a green card holder in the States (I’m from Italy) and not even eligible for medical insurance, so the $1,700 glossy iMac my husband bought will cost me several medical bills. I hope it’s not a permanent damage because I would not hesitate to sue Apple!. By the way, I did post a similar comment on Apple website! Thank you because now my husband will understand it’s not “just me”!
You all may have already read this article quoting two studies claiming that glossy LED screens posed health risks: http://www.ehow.com/list_7651269_health-mac-led-display-monitors.html?fb_ref=like&fb_source=profile_multiline
I would be very interested to know If there is class-action lawsuit in the works for those of us who own a glossy display and/or an iMac with glossy screen.
I am a graphic designer at a crossroads. I am looking to purchase an iMac with a RAID storage system (Pegasus) and a few other things, totaling about $4,800. I have wrestled with countless hours of should I, shouldn’t I. So I did a test: I moved my wife’s iMac (20″) to my work station and set it up next to my 23″ Cinema Display. (You know, the one I stare at for 8 to 10 hours every day). I called up a Photoshop document and looked at the shadow detail. On the matte-screen Cinema Display, I saw detail that wasn’t there on the glossy-screen iMac. The glossy glass darkened the detail. It reminded me of the old three-pass scanners quality as compared to a high end digital camera. The glossy screen is just a huge step backwards for graphic professionals. Not to mention, once I positioned the monitor where there was no reflection of windows, lights, or any other element, I had a controlled environment. This is when I noticed my red shirt reflection in the shadow detail of the photo. I looked over at my matte Cinema Display and (REALLY TRIED) to see a reflection so I could justify the new purchase. (Thinking, I’ll get used to it. Look past it. Ahh, pretty pictures…) Instead I am calling up other designers and asking what they think of the glossy screens. The comments from other designers have been overwhelming that they would prefer a matte screen. So my situation is this: if I purchase the new iMac, I have a beautiful 27 inch monitor for my palates – while I continue to work on my 23 inch matt monitor. Just doesn’t seem right.
Ben
YES!!! PLEASEEE!!!!! I need matte too!!!!
I hated it when my office switched from matte to glossy, and I resigned!
Apple, stop causing us more pain. Literally as well. Please, gimme my old matte screen back !!
I am clinging on to my obsolete iBook (at least 9 years old), because it has a matte screen! If Apple could offer a MacBook Pro with a matte screen in the 15-inch, why not in the 13-inch? Why is Apple not listening to their loyal customers? Apple charges more for their computers compared to many PCs, yet at that price, they can’t even offer a matte screen? How can we get Apple to hear us?
Reading Steve Jobs’ biography by Walter Isaacson, and his sister Mona Simpson’s eulogy, gives insight into Jobs – which is basically Apple’s corporate soul.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/mona-simpsons-eulogy-for-steve-jobs.html?_r=1
His sister wrote: “[Steve Jobs'] philosophy of aesthetics reminds me of a quote that went something like this: “Fashion is what seems beautiful now but looks ugly later; art can be ugly at first but it becomes beautiful later.” Steve always aspired to make beautiful later.”
From this, we can glean that, when Steve Jobs said he aspired to make great products, the criteria of the computer being a beautiful, glossy, shiny art object was more important to him, as a gut-level motivation, than it being a useful product for people to do work.
So if 60-70% of people love glossy screens — and just making glossy computers for the 60-70% can make Apple a mountain of money, with its efficiency of reduced inventory — then I think Steve Jobs was willing to discard the 30% of Apple customers because he cared more about his art-legacy and money than his customers. Not that Steve Jobs (and Apple) didn’t care about customers – he did – but in terms of his heart-motivation, it was art and money that came ahead of what customers wanted.
That DNA of not listening to customers is inbuilt into Apple’s corporate soul, and it remains to be seen if that arrogance will let Apple survive, say, two decades. In the corporate world, that’s probably how long it takes for corporate arrogance to come before a fall. Remember the days when people were willing to pay more for a product because it was a SONY? That was probably around the early 1990′s – pretty close to 20 years ago.
I have been a Mac user since 1991. I purchased a MacBook with a glossy screen in 2009 and it ruined my vision. I was working long hours for a newspaper doing layout work, and within two semesters, my vision had gone from 20/20 to 20/40. I can’t give up working on Macs, but it has cost me the quality of one of my most precious assets. If I could sue, I would. PLease Apple, bring back a matte screen before this turns into a class action lawsuit.
I am in the market for a new computer that will handle photo editing (December 1, 2011). The Mac is on my highly desirable list. However, after visiting the store to see the iMac 21.5″ and 27″, and loving the design, I will NOT be purchasing one of these Apple machines because of the glare factor of the glossy screen. I work at a home office and must use task lighting. I also have a window nearby. I work on two computers simultaneously connected by Synergy. I must use task lighting for my job and do not want to be burdened with glare issues. So until Apple offers an antiglare option for the 21.5″ or 27″ iMac, I will be purchasing another PC with a great matte monitor.
I have used Mac all my digital life, mostly for pro digital design and art work. I can not understand how Apple can remove the option of having matte screen? It is like a kick in the stomach on the whole graphical industry – the ones that has always supported Mac, and always been the most loyal to the company! Apple, how can you do this to us?! We NEED the matte screens!
I was ready to buy a new Apple 27″ Cinema Display until I found out there was no matte option. I am now regrettably looking at other manufacturers, even though all my computer equipment is Apple. I have been a loyal Apple customer for two decades, and have owned many different Mac models. Please Apple! Give us the option – or make the glossy one easily modifiable by a certified Apple repair center.
Yes, matte please – Glare stresses my eyes.
The glossy screen is almost impossible to use where there is lots of light, especially sunlight (like my apartment which has lots of windows). I was extremely disappointed to learn that the MacBook Pro 15′ with matte is $800 more expensive than the default configuration. For Apple, a company that prides itself on design and usability, it’s shocking that the default configuration is so unusable.
I would prefer to buy an Apple external display to go with my Mac Pro, but Apple’s glossy screen is unacceptable. Not only is it harder on the eyes, it’s also inappropriate for photography and video editing.
SOLUTION!
Apple will refresh all of its product lines in 2012. I have just read that “The next-generation iPhone and iMac are unlikely to be revealed until the second half of 2012, the report also says.” Reported PCWorld:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/243252/overhaul_of_all_apple_products_expected_in _2012.html
YESSS!!!! Does this mean we Will have a MATTE OPTION SCREEN FOR THE NEW iMAC’S!!!! So excited.The Glossy Screen nightmare is FINALLY going to end with a professional screen option!!!! This is going to be great. Apple couldn’t possibly NOT offer a Matte Screen Option for the new iMac, now that Steve Jobs has passed away (God bless his soul).
+1 for the matte screen option. I’m looking to buy a high end 27″iMac, but the glossy-only screen is putting me off.
If it’s a matter of economics, as has been suggested by some previous posters, Apple should offer it as an optional extra. Having said that, Macs already come at a huge premium over equivalent spec’ed PC’s
I have been looking to buy an iMac for the past two years but the glossy screen is keeping me from doing so. The second that Apple offers an Anti-Glare option again, I will buy!
This is a nightmare. After deferring a purchase of a new desktop for 2 years because of the no matte option for iMac, I just bought and returned the 15″ MacBook Pro notebook with anti-glare screen because of the hi-res = small font problem. I didn’t even want a laptop! 25 years of using Macs, and I am beyond disgusted.
I need a matte Mac monitor! By eyes are fucking out.
Dear Apple,
I live for the outdoors but love my Apple products. Please make all products available in matte screen.
Thanks,
Dutch
The glossy screen is what keeps me from buying an iMac, and makes me an unhappy 13″ laptop user.
(Germany)
I have been a Mac user since the mid 1990′s. I loved every Mac computer I had until I bought my new MacBook with glossy screen. It is the worst computer I have ever used, basically because most part of the time you cannot see anything on its glossy screen!!
I will not buy another Apple device till they come back with a decent screen.
I use an iMac at work and was thinking about purchasing one for my next home computer, but due to the glare from the glossy screen I’ll have to stick with a Windows PC. The eye strain is unbearable.
Thanks for putting this petition together!
I want to buy either a new iMac or better yet a Thunderbolt Cinema Display, but will not be doing so until it is available in matte. I have 3 bay windows and a built-in mirrored cabinet in my office, so glossy screens won’t do.
Thanks!
I seriously do not know what to do! I have been waiting over 1.5 years to buy a simple matte finish monitor like the one I have now (which is now dying). Do I dare get a Dell?
Apple, I only buy MacBook Pros with matte screens, and previously PowerMacs as well. So I can only buy non-Apple matte displays. I do a lot of graphics work and the reflections on a glossy screen are unacceptable. I also travel a lot and must work on the road. I don’t have control of the lighting in airports and hotel rooms so a glossy screen is a major headache since I can’t fix light levels or placement to limit reflections. Apple, please provide matte options for all your computers and displays.
Fred Markert
Apple, please, please provide matte screen options on all your computers. I find the high resolution antiglare option on the MacBook Pros very tiring to work with because of the tiny menus, and so do many other people I know who use MacBook Pro’s for work; please provide a “normal” resolution antiglare option on your laptops, and antiglare would also be very welcome on iMacs. I have been putting off getting a replacement for my trusty but tired old MacBook Pro (about 5 years old), hoping that better screen options will become available. For the first time in the 18 years that I’ve been using computers for work, I’m seriously considering switching away from Mac because of the lack of matte screens.
A 13″ MacBook Air with matte screen please! Working in my house, which is filled with windows, it gets very hard to work with screen glare!
After 25 years of happily using Macs, it pains me to see Apple abandoning “professional” and even “prosumer” customers by removing matte screens, as well as a host of other products: Firewire port and a display port from MacBook Pros (down to one Firewire and 1 display port), cutting its already somewhat crippled Express34 from all but 17 inch laptops, in favor of SD cards that no “pro” camera uses. The Pro in “MacBookPro” is becoming a bit of a joke. Then cutting X-Serve and now it seems maybe even the Mac Pro may be history, and cutting Rosette which I need for my Nikon film scanner. Now Apple even seems to be dumbing down their “pro” software like Aperture (incomplete RAW formats), FinalCut, LogicPro, etc.
I would really like a bigger screen to replace my 2003 20 inch Cinema Display, but if I wanted a $1000 mirror on my desk, I’d already have one. I cannot and will not buy an Apple desktop or display that is glossy. Doing serious photo work with a glossy screen is a joke, wasting a lot of time not to mention the eyestrain/headaches. I have a very nice $600 24 inch Dell monitor at work – I guess I’ll have to wait for them or NEC to add Thunderbolt.
Dear Apple:
PLEASE, please wake up and remember who got you through all the lean years – the real Pro and Prosumer computer users. It’s fine to keep adding to your market share at the low end by offering cheaper machines that will serve more people, but it is not fine to cut out the higher end users who kept you in the game for so long. And it’s not necessary, given all the cash you are sitting on, you can easily keep pushing the profit-making professional envelope for us too. Please bring back OPTIONS for matte screens across the full line, at the same resolutions as the glossy screens so they are equally useful). I GUARANTEE you’ll sell more machines than with a glossy-only line.
I will not be buying a new Mac until a matte screen is offered – I find the reflections on the glossy monitors render my work (photography, detailed illustrations) impossible.
Utility is what Apple should accommodate; Glossy is a huge “flashy” compromise to iMac interface and use. I will never buy Mac until they offer matte. Waiting for the next generation of CPU or avoiding an inferior MacBook Air is vastly different than Apple’s indifference and denial of what we pay for. I contend this is denying service, given the importance and implied right of basic functional use being compromised by glare!
Apple, please provide matte screen for your laptops. At least as an option…
(Romania)
I am a photographer and want to upgrade to a Mac Pro One but I really want a matte screen. Apple, please provide me with one.
(South Africa)
Apple, you need to provide a matte screen for your iMac’s. I’m a graphic designer and work 8+ hours a day on a glossy 24 inch iMac and it is destroying my eyes. I know it is the glossy screen causing the problem because when I work from home on an older 24 inch MATTE screen iMac, I instantly get no pain in my eyes which will last all day.
I love Apple and the iMac. But I love my eyes more. If Apple don’t provide a Matte screen soon, I’m sadly going to be forced to find an alternative Matte screen.
Come on Apple it wouldn’t be that hard to add a Matte option, PLEASE!
(United Kingdom)
I can’t believe Apple isn’t making a matte display for graphics professionals and photographers!
I just bought another MacBook Pro with a matte screen. Why? because the MacBook Air does not have a matte screen. I would pay USD $500 more for a matte screen on a MacBook Air. Maybe in the next two years Apple will provide this much needed option. I have to be able to read the screen in sunlight and this is the only option.
I just hate the glare of glossy screens. I use the laptop for about 10 hours a day, so have to rely on an old matte-screen model. Am desperately searching for new laptop with a matte screen.
(United Kingdom)
P/S Followup, 21 December 2011: Thanks for all the suggestions. I’ve now bought a Lenovo Thinkpad PC with “anti-glare” screen.
On the 15th December 2011 David Letterman Late Show, when he tweeted — “Hash Tag. S’up boys? hangin’ and bangin?,” — he typed it on an Apple MacBook Pro WITH MATTE SCREEN!!!!, which you can tell from its silver rim around the screen.
Même si je suis très-”Apple” depuis 1990, j’ai dû acheter un écran mat DELL 27” avec mon nouveau Mac Pro. Aucune option MATTE SCREEN disponible chez Apple. En tant que graphiste JE NE VEUX PAS D’ÉCRAN LUSTRÉ.
Although I am very-”Apple” since 1990, I had to buy a matte screen Dell 27”with my new Mac Pro. There was no matte screen option available from Apple. As a designer I DO NOT WANT TO SEE SCREEN GLOSS.
Dear Apple, I would also like to have a matte screen as I get headaches and migraines from this glossy screen.
A shame – and Apple please give us a display that covers Adobe RGB.
I paid extra for the matte laptop screen and bought a non-mac monitor for my external screen because I hate the glossy screens. I’ve thought about adding an iMac to my repertoire but I always hold off because I don’t want the glossy screen. I work as a professional retoucher and I find the glossy screens to be very inaccurate and hard to look at due to reflections.
I’m old and disabled. After twelve years using non-Mac PC’s I bought a 27″ iMac specifically for photographic manipulation. I took out a big loan for gear, Adobe Lightroom 3, Photoshop CS5 etc. I was not aware that the iMac had a glossy screen. Too late. Now I will have to wait for six years (when the loan is paid off) before I can remedy that huge mistake. If I’m still alive by then, that is.
Photography is one of the very few things I can still do but it’s all been ruined by having to see more of my disappointed face than what I’m trying to work on in Photoshop. Living in the dark is not an option. But who cares? Apple certainly don’t. I won’t be recommending this iMac to anyone else and, in spite of loving everything else about Macs, I will very reluctantly be returning to non-Mac PC’s unless this problem has been sorted out by the time I can afford a new machine.
I just purchased my first ever Mac. I was so excited to open the box. The Apple interface is all it’s said to be, intuitive. But that the annoying glare quickly put my excitement to rest. And if fighting the glare, and the mirror-like surface weren’t enough, the backlighting quickly strained my eyes to the point of tearing and runny nose. I’m saddened. I have the sense that the “hi res” anti-glare may not give relief. I’m going to return my Mac, sadly. At this point, I look at my daughter’s Lenovo Thinkpad screen with green-eyed envy. I’m sorry to leave the Mac so soon, because it’s realty quite an impressive machine. I’ve already started bonding with it, but the eye strain (which isn’t just annoying, it has potential for damage) and the headaches just aren’t a worthwhile trade off. Lenovo here I come!
Apple, please listen. Anti-glare isn’t the same as matte. I’d buy a Mac in a New-York-minute if the matte screen were on offer. I’m sure that I’d conver a lot of PC users as well.
What a disappointment!
I would like to put in my two cents, and say that the only thing keeping me from buying the beautiful 27 inch iMac is the fact there is not an option of a matte finish for the screen. I do mostly photo restoration of antique photographs and the eye strain on a glossy screen is beyond annoying. What is it going to take to convince Apple that there is a real market for this request?
As a photographer I really need a non-glare monitor that is suitable for photo editing and printing. I am willing to pay extra for this feature and ask Apple to include this as an option when buying monitors or the iMac.
I’m looking to upgrade my PowerPC G5 and thought I would get a 27″ iMac. I went to the Apple store and was dismayed to see the really horrendous glossy screens on everything that I wanted to buy. The “you can tilt your way out of the reflections” line is really not a reasonable response. The Apple salespeople know it, but cannot officially acknowledge the truth.
So now I’m stuck looking for a Mac Mini / Dell monitor combination, which adds unnecessary hassle. I have to consider a webcam, speakers, making sure that thunderbolt will talk to Displayport or Displayport Mini, different warranty and return policies and a whole host of issues that sound more like my previous experiences putting together a PC. This is NOT why I switched to Apple five years ago. I really would prefer not to leave Apple …
Apple should offer matte on everything from iPhone to MacBook Pro. The crazy thing is, people get iPhones and then purchase screen protectors which turn their beautiful screens into crappy matte screens. Same for iPad.
Since 2006 I have been a big Apple user – iPhone, iPad, MacBook, MacBook Pro. My first matte jump was my new i7 2011 MacBook Pro and love it. I was concerned with quality – I had a MacBook with a screen protector on it and was not satisfied. I went to the Apple store and saw the matte screen in direct light (BRIGHT LIGHT) of the store and fell in love. It looked awesome! WHY DOESN’T APPLE OFFER IT ON IMACS???? I think Apple should offer it on everything! I’m a semi-pro photographer and don’t know how I put up with the gloss screen. I only get my work printed on Kodak professional endure luster and my photos now look like my screen.
I hate that Apple charge more for matte screens. It should be offered on every Mac product, even iPhone/iPad/iPod.
Apple is putting out glossy garbage and causing major health issues. My eyes were always dry and banged up from everyday use 3+ hours.
I’m a young designer who is just now making the switch from PC to Mac due to financial reasons. I can still only afford the smallest model of MacBook Pro, which means I’ll have to get the 13″ glossy screen. If I want a matte screen the only alternative is to buy a PC, but being an artist I’d really prefer a Mac. I thought I could get around this issue by getting a secondary matte display, since a larger display would benefit me anyway. I was shocked to find that the only ones available from Apple had glossy screens. I’m very disappointed. Glare is a huge hindrance to a digital artist. Given Mac’s reputation as being ideal for artists, I can hardly believe matte screens are not an option. I now have to find a non-Mac display to use once I get my MacBook Pro. I’m tempted to forgo making the switch to Apple at all since the visual experience is my main concern in the first place. If I can’t get a good visual on my art, what’s the point of getting a Mac for making my art?
Apple, please offer more matte screens.
Just bought another iMac. I had to. The glossy screen sucks. It will appeal to the iPhone user and the widget-oriented, but not to the one that works with it.
Sad part is; we where there (and loyal), when the iPhone did not exist. And now Apple does not remember or care.
But there are other issues to. Like pushing the built-in camera with no physical disconnect without loosing the warranty. No hardcopy of the software. No backward installation without formatting etc etc etc.
Somehow, Billy comes to mind. Blinded by the usual , Apple is about to make some major mistakes.
In my field, not listening to the client, means going to bed hungry. I am seriously tinkering with the idea of weening myself off Apple. I know of many others that are on the same wavelength. Come to think of it; how is it that Apple accommodated Windows users, but it is not supposed to go the other way around. Food for thought?!
Thanks for the initiative and the opportunity to contribute.
I have a 27″ iMac and it caused eye strain bad enough for me to go visit the optician for the first time since school (20+ years ago). I have now resolved the issue by connecting a 27″ ViewSonic matte monitor as an external display and only look at the iMac display occasionally.
Sirs,
I have been using Apple products since 1985 in Germany, France, UK and in the US since 2005. I hate my iMac glossy screen because it gives me a headache. I have two windows behind my desk and when I’m working I have to draw the shades as if I would develop pictures in a dark room. Even then, the smallest amount of light reflecting through the dark curtains reflect on the screen. Anyone with a bit of medical background knows that the eyes try to focus on the screen and the reflection – thus causing problems. Why does Apple not offer a non-reflecting screen option for the iMac and Mac Pro?
I totally agree. The gloss screens are a real nightmare to work with. These glossy screens also throw up other issues such as cleaning – very difficult to clean the glossy screen to a good quality without leaving smears.
Also, I am a retoucher by trade, so when I first used this type of glossy screen I was amazed that Apple had continued with this, even knowing the colour was a huge issue. Depending on the height of the user and the setting of the chair (recline etc) the glossy screen continuously needs adjusting on the pivot point to reduce the glare and gradients. I know retouching shouldn’t ever be done on these glossy screens. I also strongly recommend the EIZO screen (with a matte screen of-course) but for small quick jobs that still require a reasonable amount of colour matching, these glossy screens are so bad.
If you look at any of reprographic or photography studio or page makeup screens, from EIZO to LASSIE’s to standard desktop screens from other manufacturers, everyone offers a matte finish. Surely this is a big clue for Apple!
I love Apple products from design and hardware to the nitty gritty coding in object C, but some of the products Apple release could really do with some stronger market research of testing.
I have a G5 matte screen which I`ve postponed upgrading because there is no matte version currently available. When will one be available? As with the PowerPC I would pay extra for the matte screen if necessary.
Dear Apple, I need a matte screen. I can’t update my old matte MacBook Pro because of this glossy screen, but I have to.
Please, please please.
I’ve been running the Dell 30″ LCD screens for years now on my MacBook Pros and Mac Pro. I would be happy to buy several 27″ Apple Cinema Display screens if they where matte.
I have been using a new 15″ MacBook Pro for less than 48 hours, and already I HATE it! In particular, reading comments from this website against a black background like this one is annoying, no matter how I tilt the screen to try and minimize the glare. I would give anything to have my ancient Mac G4 back — gone but not forgotten!
Apple, why not give consumers a simple choice between matte and glossy screens, instead of forcing us to accept a mirror finish that is distracting in the extreme? If we can choose between 10 different kinds of biscuits in the supermarket aisle, why is the important decision of what computer screen we work on (in my case, for 8 to 10 hours a day) made for us?
If there is a non-glossy MacBook Air, I will buy one.
(Belgium)
Apple, the money for many displays for our University is waiting for a matte option of the Apple Thunderbolt Display. Or else Dell will get the money. You decide.
(Spain)
I also prefer a matte screen display. The reflections from the glossy screen are sometimes just too difficult to minimize or get rid of, for example, when traveling.
The graphic design industry pretty much kept Apple in business before they became the mainstream giant they are now. Trying to work with the glossy screen on my new iMac 27″, that has just been purchased for me at work, is a nightmare. Apple, please, do the decent thing, give us an option of a matte screen.
I did not buy a MacBook Pro until the matte option came out quite a while ago. Unfortunately I wasn’t that consequent on my LED Cinema Display. The glossy screen is annoying even in my living room! At work I’m happy to work with a Mac Mini … with a matte Samsung Display!
As an architect I spend most of my working day in front of the screen. And I have to deal with a huge variety of standards and regulations in buildings, including those for working environments like offices. It’s as simple as that: glossy displays are not allowed unless a very specific lighting can be offered. And most office buildings can’t do that, neither for natural nor for artificial light.
Apple, I understand that there are a few users who take advantage of a glossy screen. No problem, keep the glossy screens as an option. But start selling EVERY iMac, MacBook and Apple Display with matte displays, now!
(Switzerland)
In my company I have (the biggest screen and I’m not even a manager) a £2,000 glossy 27″ iMac. I hate the reflections. I would prefer the 8 years old 20″ iMac with matte screen!
I’m working with a MacBook Pro (Model 1226) extensively and now it’s the time to buy an iMac with a matte display. Oh no, there isn’t any? It’s not really the best customers service if requests are being ignored. The only thing we get are statements like “most people like glossy screens”. I’m speachless how ignorant this message is.
I mean, if you need eyeglasses there are more options too and not only “standard glass”. Peoples eyes are different, like health issues, that can be induced by wrong glass.
And yes, I compare a computer screen with eyeglasses. I worked with such a glossy-screen monster and my migraine attacks increased by 1-3 times IN A WEEK. I also think that the gloss looks cheap.
If Apple waits any longer, I will take a look at some good matte screens and dump Apple. I need a nice working computer and not oversized jewellry (without nvidia haha).
(Switzerland)
Just as I wouldn’t like to read novels that come printed on magazine-style, glossy paper, I don’t want to have to read copy on a glossy display. I’ve owned several Macs – all with matte screens – and I wouldn’t even consider buying a new Mac with a glossy screen.
I’d love to see matte Macs too!
(Netherlands)
Apple, please bring back the matte display option.
I would prefer a much older, smaller matte display to the mirrored effect that is created in my bright office with windows and lights. I have no control over my office environment.
Is anyone at Apple listening to the design professional?
Totally agree with the comments here for matte-only screens which should have been a build-to-order option on the iMac. The iMac screens are far too big to put an anti-glare screen protector on them (unlike say the one I have on my iPad).
I am seriously considering an i7 Mac Mini plus dedicated Radeon 6630M graphics to go with my external screen, that little box is now a very viable alternative to an iMac.
Fortunately the MacBook Pro’s still come with a matte screen option (anti-glare widescreen). Though the overheating issues from Sandy Bridge make me inclined to wait for Ivy Bridge.
Best wishes on your purchases, please do your research before buying!
(20+ year Apple user)
I’m a student, and I do a lot of personal research on my own. So much is on the computer, internet. e-databases now, so I have to spend a lot of time on the computer. It’s very painful using reflective screens. The matte, anti-glare option is important to many people because I’ve talked to others who experience the same problem.
The gloss screens are a real nightmare to work with.
PLEASE APPLE! Please listen. It’s worth $50-100 more just like the MacBook Pro matte upgrade.
Apple, please offer matte options on your Cinema Displays, iMacs and laptops. Tilting the screens never solves the reflection problems in any work environment I have ever encountered.
Gloss-only screens = Steve Jobs’ worst idea
I sent a glossy-screen MacBook Pro back to Apple on January 2012 for a refund. I won’t consider buying another, including the hi-res anti-glare screen, specifically because it is hi-res, and therefore depending on the resolution selected, will not display properly, as it cuts off both sides of the browser, much like watching a TV show designed to be broadcast in HD in anything less than HD.
By the way, I disagree that light perpendicular to the glossy computer doesn’t cause problems. It did for me. If the wall behind you, or in my case, the curtains, are light in color, they reflect the light perpendicular to the MacBook Pro, causing (you guessed it) annoying reflection, in my case both eye strain and headaches. I have no use for a notebook computer that can’t go where I go. Isn’t that called a desktop computer?
What a shame. I’m quite certain that Apple is losing a significant amount of business with this marketing decision. I’d love to have an Apple computer, but it’s supposed to be a pleasure to own, not an inconvenience and a pain.
Now I get to select a different computer by a different manufacturer.
MATTE please! cinema displays and iMacs. I don’t want to just work off a MacBook Pro for all my photo editing. I spend copious amounts of time behind the screen. I 100% refuse to buy gloss. You have lost $2,500 from me NOT buying your iMac and Apple Cinema Display. $2500 is just me. Count the others who also will be pulling out. Wow, a lot of $$$.
The glare from the glossy screen and reflective border may look pretty but it is ruining my eyes.
(Australia)
I desperately need to replace my Apple Cinema Display. I have been putting it off because of the “glossy” screen issue. I will not buy one. Now I just need to find out what is the best anti-glare display to purchase. It is a shame that Apple is only making glossy iMacs and displays. Boohoo.
Apple, please provide the option for a matte screen on your new iMac models. I can’t buy a new iMac, because the glare from the glossy screen hurts my eyes.
Apple prides itself on its ergonomic design and concern for the environment, but has overlooked the key issue of eye strain and damage associated with the glare from a glossy screen.
I will purchase the iPad 3 only under the condition that the screen is matte!
I have two 2006 iMac models and have been waiting with an upgrade until I can buy them with matte screens again. Glossy is fine if you like working in a dark environment. I like windows and light. So, Apple, please bring the matte option back. It would be worth $100 extra to me.
PLEASE, Apple, offer matte back!!
Apple, new matte screen iMac please!
(Czech Republic)
Hello Apple:
I am a long, long-time Mac user. Though I want to and need to upgrade my Mac equipment, I cannot and will not purchase your glossy screens on your new products. The glossy screens are hard on the eyes, distracting and do not help me get my work done.
I viewed a very reasonable request from one of the other petition signers, and that is to simply make the matte screens an option and charge for it. That way it won’t cost Apple any revenue, and in fact may actually make you more revenue AND keep the legions of loyal Apple customers like me in your camp.
Please don’t drive us away. We want to stay with you but please offer matte screens again.
Thank you for listening.
Sal Cardaci
The glossy screen is very distracting and creates a double image situation where you are seeing 2 images simultaneously, so it requires extra visual effort to filter out the reflected image.
GLOSSY IS BAD! APPLE DOESN’T CARE!
I refuse to buy any glossy monitor because of the GLARE and REFLECTIONS.
Apple just lost a loyal customer for the 27″ iMac.
Have used Samsung MATTE screen exclusively for G5 tower and MacMini, except for my old white iBook G4 (which incidentally also had the best keyboard).
For next upgrade: do I have to seriously consider buying a WINDOWS product? (aghhhh)
BRING BACK THE MATTE SCREENS!!!!! (What will it take for Apple to move on this?)
I’ve been having headaches and sore, dry eyes for months, and thought it was my heating system, the climate, old age, whatever … now, reading all the posts online, I realize that it could well be my MacBook Pro 13″ glossy screen. For years I worked on matte screens and never thought glossy would make such a difference (except for trying to work outdoors, obviously) but now I think I’ve found the culprit for my headaches. Fortunately I still have an old matte screen that I can use for work, but when the time comes to replace it, I hope there will be a 13 inch matte screen by then! It really is intolerable – I NEED MY COMPUTER TO MAKE A LIVING – AND I NEED MY EYES! Please, Apple, make the matte screen available.
I was in LOVE with my new 21.5 inch iMac until I realized it is giving me terrible headaches, eyestrain and slight nausea. I’m heartbroken that I have to return it to the store, but I have no other option. This is a real issue, so Apple, please DO SOMETHING!!!!
I have a 15 inch MacBook Pro with Matte Screen and Thunderbolt : this is a dream machine !!!!!
Apple, please give us a 13 inch MacBook Pro with Matte Screen too !!!!!!!
This iMac glossy screen issue is getting to be ridiculous. I have been a professional graphic artist for over 20 years. I have had several Macs along the way, the only computer I use. Now I am in a bind as I need to upgrade in order to run the latest Adobe CS software. I love my old G5 tower – it has been a workhorse for the past 5 years. I only have the 20 inch Apple monitor and need to upgrade my screen size as well. The iMac is a great solution …. EXCEPT for that damn glossy screen! I’ve worked on them before and I just don’t understand WHY Apple ever changed them to begin with???
I have been putting off upgrading now for over year, hoping that Apple would offer the matte screen option. Now I have to upgrade and I really don’t want to go the Mac Mini route if I can avoid it, and I don’t want to put out the cash for a new tower AND and bigger Apple monitor.
I am positive if Apple ran a survey for professional designers, photographers etc. they would find that the matte screen is, and always has been, the preferred choice. I’ve been an Apple fan since 1984! But this glossy screen issue just makes me shake my head. I have not spoke to one other designer that prefers the glossy screen. I ask people all the time – everybody likes the matte screen.
I am so disappointed with Apple’s refusal to offer the matte option. As more one other person has said on this website, we professionals would even offer to pay a bit more for this option. Although we really should not have to, it should be the other way around. Glossy screens should be the upgrade and cost a bit more. The matte screen should be the standard.
Too bad this will not change before I have to make my purchase. I am not impressed.
Terry Hill
(Canada)
It is really a no-brainier that matte screens are better in many ways. As a photographer this is self evident. As a sidenote the evolution of imaging to evermore contrasty, saturated images has implications that few consider. Apple, please offer a matte alternative!
Apple, please offer this matte option. I will even pay a premium for it. There are many of us who use our Mac machines for photography, and we need a non-glare, matte screen for accuracy. I can’t edit an image when I see a reflection of me in the screen.
I can go to a Mac Pro, as I have now, but I want the clean, low-cable, friendly iMac with an anti-glare screen. I also hear many consumer-users who loved the glossy screen when they first bought the unit, but now they complain that it gets old to the eyes after a while.
I am the co-owner of a software company in the San Francisco Bay Area. We are an all-Mac shop — except for everybody’s second screen. Instead of purchasing dozens of Apple Cinema Displays we have had no choice but to purchase equivalent high-quality monitors by NEC, Sony, and Samsung. In fact, some of those cost even more than Apple’s Cinema Displays. Our developers use MacBook Pros with the matte screen option as well.
As a business owner spending tens of thousands of dollars on computer equipment every year, it is regrettable that Apple’s screen hardware is so unusable that we must choose these alternate monitor vendors. In order to acquire a usable Apple Cinema Display it is only possible to find old inventory at various electronics sites or search Craigslist. That’s nuts. We think that Apple can and should do a much better job at making their screens usable for those who prefer no-glare screens or who cannot use glossy screens in their working environment where overhead lights, windows, or desk positioning prevent the screen from being read. As a company with ergonomic and occupational safety guidelines, we couldn’t possibly choose Apple (or other manufacturers’) glossy glass screens.
For reasons now obvious, we are obliged to continue to spend our money on non-Apple screen hardware and the very limited Mac laptops with matte finish screens.
I’ve bought a MacBook Pro due the optional matte screen, and I’ll buy an iMac as soon at such an option will be availiable. I am 55 years old, and my eyes really cannot work with a glossy screen.
I’m a graphic designer and a photographer. I cannot use a glossy screen for work.
I bought a 27 inch Apple display but I constantly see my own shirt and typing activities on the glossy screen. This is very disturbing and I am returning the display.
I’m a happy Mac Pro user but it’s time to update, and I’m considering moving to the iMac if the Mac Pro is discontinued. However, I will certainly not buy a computer with integrated screen when that screen is glossy. Fortunately, I had the option to get the matte display for my MacBook Pro. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have bought it.
So … please, Apple, give us matte screens on the iMacs, and also for the iPhone and iPad!
(Germany)
Matte screens were originally invented to solve the problems caused by reflections from screens, and were a breakthrough. Glossy screens subject users to difficulties ranging from the annoying to the disabling. Apple, bring back matte screens! Both my matte-screen laptop and desktop Macs are getting really old but I will not buy another Mac unless I can get a matte screen.
(Australia)