Note: petition’s goal is 10,000 signatures. Total as of 4th April 2013: there are 2,343 petitions (To see full list of petitions, click “Older Comments”). The glossy-only iMac came out on August 7, 2007 – that’s 5 years 8 months that Apple has refused to listen.
Please add your petition at the bottom of the webpage (iPad users, click comments button). Apple is aware of this petition because it is periodically emailed to Apple at each milestone-number (see Steve Jobs’ email below).
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Apple must offer the matte screen for iMac’s, all the MacBook Pro/Air models, and Cinema Displays. (Currently only the 15″ MacBook Pro has an antiglare screens).
The matte screen issue will not die down even with the passing of time.
Because …
The glare from glossy screens causes eye strain for many people. The matte screen solves this eye health issue. This issue will not go away because whether or not a person is adversely affected by screen reflections is not a passing technological fad.
It’s not like Steve Jobs cutting the floppy disk from the first iMac in 1998, or cutting the DVD drive. Ten years on, no one cares anymore because diskette and optical disk technology will have come and gone. Even the Firewire 400 protests will subside eventually. In a decade’s time, no one will care about Firewire 400 if less and less peripherals use it.
The matte screen issue is different. It’s not a technology that comes and goes.
Rather, the matte issue has to do with the physiology of the human eye. Some people are more prone to eye-strain when starring for hours at reflective surfaces. Although other technologies come and go, people will continue to get eye strain from extended viewing of glossy surfaces. People’s eyes differ, therefore some people are not fussed by the reflections from gloss screens; but many others are.
This is why, even 10 years from now in 2019, the matte screen issue will still be there. Indeed, in 10 years time we may be coming to the realization of what a decade of daily staring at highly reflective screens has done to our eyes.
Apple’s reasons for cutting the matte screen are flawed:
Steve Jobs says most people prefer glossy, but a google search for “matte glossy polls MacBook” reveals that around 40% prefer matte. Sure, technically, that means “most” people do prefer glossy, but 40% of the Mac community is not to be ignored. Skeptics try to dismiss such poll results by rationalizing that the poll-questions are skewed, but the fact is this large 40%-ish result is roughly consistent across many online polls. (Click the link to see a review of poll results).
Phil Schiller, Apple’s Vice President of Marketing, says you can avoid gloss reflections by tilting the screen, but this is simply not true in 100% of cases, as attested to by the protests on numerous blogs.
Maybe Apple thinks it’ll sell more Macs because glossy computers attract people in showrooms. But there are many Mac users who will not, and cannot buy new Macs because they cannot tolerate the gross reflections from gloss screens (for example, see the numerous comments below from Mac users, like myself, who refuse to buy a Mac with a glossy screen).
Maybe Apple realises it is not profitable for it to offer two types of screens. Then, don’t just cut the matte screen. Instead, to cover the costs, charge people more for it as an added extra. People are willing to pay. Why only offer anti-glare on the 15 inch MacBook Pro’s? Extend it to the iMac and other MacBook and MacBook Pro models too. Even with the Mac Mini and Mac Pro, Apple users are forced to buy non-Apple screens if they want matte. Why?
Many people in the graphics industry and photographers need matte screens particularly for accurate color calibration, and I’ll leave them to add further comments below since I don’t have experience in that area. As for me, I’m a writer, and I stare at a screen usually 16 hours a day. I just cannot tolerate gloss screens. If Apple does not bring back the matte option, I’ll see how long my white iMac and MacBook Pro can last for.
I will not buy a new Mac with a gloss screen. Right now, even though I am ready to upgrade both my computers, I am forced to keep my matte iMac and matte MacBook Pros going as long as possible simply because of the lack of matte screens.
At most, it’ll have to be a new Mac Mini coupled to a Dell or other non-Apple matte screen.
For the record, for about a year, I have regularly been using a glossy iMac (black bevel model) when I visit my parents’ home. From that experience, I find that glossy screens are superb in those environments where reflections can be largely minimised, such as where the only window in the room is perpendicular to the iMac’s screen, however, at my own home and workplace, the room arrangements require the computer screen to directly face the open, sunny windows. In those instances, the reflections from the glossy screen are intolerable.
Hence, we’re not saying matte is always better than glossy. There are enough supporters of both such that neither can be said to be superior. Apple must recognize that too, and not side only with the glossy camp.
In addition to leaving comments below, please also give feedback to Apple directly on bringing back matte screens to all Macs.

+1 – I am not buying an iMac unless it has a matte screen
I am a photographer, and I spend a huge amount of time editing on my MacBook Pro laptop which has a matte screen. I would buy an iMac if it had a matte screen. The glossy screens are not an option for a professional in the visual arts.
I am ready to buy a new computer and since I use Photoshop a lot I am considering buying an iMac. I have talked with a lot of my professional photographer friends who are also interested in buying an iMac but they warned me against the glossy screen. They are waiting for Apple to wake up.
I use two or three monitors and I will not use a center glossy screen while my other side screens are matte. They will not blend right or calibrate properly. I will give Apple until May and if they don’t have one by then I will get a Microsoft Windows PC.
Apple, Please Please Please, give us an iMac 27″ with antiglare screen! Is the entire crowd of the web that ask for it!
(Italy)
I would very much like to purchase an iMac. But I’m afraid that for me the lack of a matte screen option is a deal breaker.
(Australia)
Apple can forget another purchase from me until they bring matte displays back. Enough said.
I would buy an iMac if there was an optional matte screen
I need to replace my Hewlett Packard PC and am definitely considering the iMac. If it had the non-glare screen, I would definitely purchase it asap!! I have problems with glare and am almost afraid that this will be a real problem for me.
I can’t understand why Apple won’t even offer it as an extra!!
Last week I ordered a new notebook and it was not an Apple. Quite the same specs as a MacBook Pro 13″ but with a matte display. I am now the owner of a Samsung Series 3 notebook running Microsoft Windows 7. And I paid only about half the price of the MacBook Pro. Yes I miss one or two applications from my Mac, but I can do everything I could do on my Mac (just with other applications).
(Germany)
It seems that there is hope:
Apple’s redesigned 2012 iMacs rumored to feature anti-reflective glass displays
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/02/apples_redesigned_2012_imacs_rumored_to_feature_anti_reflective_glass_displays.html
Maybe with the “Invisible Glass”:
Japanese Firm Develops ‘Invisible Glass’
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20111028/199970
Amazing Invisible Glass Kills Glare Dead
http://gizmodo.com/5854321/amazing-invisible-glass-kills-glare-dead
‘Invisible glass’ could reduce display glare, fails as food-in-teeth mirror
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/31/invisible-glass-could-reduce-display-glare-fails-as-food-in-t
More:
Apple to Utilize Anti-Reflective Glass in Next-Generation iMac?
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/02/apple-to-utilize-anti-reflective-glass-in-next-generation-imac
I concur. For once, Apple, listen to those who fund your empire.
I’m not upgrading my Mac until a matte screen is an option.
Apple, please bring me an invisible-glass iMac this year. I haven’t complained and have been patient, so make it Phat! Make it Matte!
I want to change from Windows 7 to Mac OSX but do not like the reflections that I see in computer stores selling Apple. If Apple brought out a matte screen iMac, I would be at the local Apple store as fast as possible.
I am determined to replace my desktop, laptop and Wifi router with Apples products, but first want to have a computer screen that is relaxing to look at.
Wow! Well, if the news item today is for real, it looks like the new IMacs will have a matte display. Here is the link:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/02/apples_redesigned_2012_imacs_rumored_to_feature_anti_reflective_glass_displays.html
And it that proves to be true, then almost certainly the cinema display will follow.
Just why Apple has gone so many years pretending that glare was not a problem with the glossy display is beyond me. They have so many great engineers and a very smart management team who collectively had to know there was a problem with the glossy display. I mean, come on, even a mediocre high school student could see the difference.
Please Apple dooo
I don’t do a lot of photo editing and therefore the issue of improper colors is not my main (although important) reason for not purchasing a glossy screen iMac. My personal reason is that I cannot stand to see the reflections of myself, objects in the room, or sunlight from the window, in my screen. To me, these reflections are such a distraction that it makes a computer close to useless to me. This is why I rejected a new Apple display at work and continue to use my 9 year old Apple display. It is why I refused to accept a new MacBook Pro at work until my employer agreed to get me the anti-glare screen option. It is also why I am using a Dell monitor at home.
I certainly don’t mind if Apple chooses to offer a glossy screen as long as they also offer an anti-glare version.
As a matter of fact, I purchased my pre-teen daughter a Mac Mini instead of an iMac due to the fact that she also did not like the glossy screen.
I have been using Macintosh computers since 1986 staring with a Mac Plus (and an Apple IIc before that). It has not been until the push for glossy screens that I have ever considered switching platforms. If I can not clearly see the screen without being distracted, then what good is a computer?
So, Apple, please offer an anti-glare version of your iMacs (and your monitors too).
Apple, please dump this awful glossy screen and bring back the matte screen. My room is quite dark compared to normal rooms, and the glossy screen is already very distracting. It is a pain to look at even just for browsing let alone photo editing
I await eagerly the new Macs with anti-reflective screen!
Apple, matte screen please! I am also a photograhper and videographer that is considering going back to Microsoft Windows 7 in a serious way.
I bought a glossy MacBook Pro, and had to return it because of the headaches it gave me.
Photographers and video editors need matte screens! We don’t all watch TV and movies on our computers!
I have been editing film and video professionally since 1987 and have had the pleasure of working on just about every kind of machine every invented for my craft. For 4 of the past 5 years I have edited the TEDtalks on a tower, with two MATTE 30″ Cinema Displays, in order to see our high-def footage at full resolution on one monitor, and have all my other windows and timeline on the other. This system worked beautifully. Now I have a 17″ MacBook Pro, with the matte screen of course, but 17″ is not adequate. The laptop functions well, but even with the recommended dual link adaptor my 30″ Cinema Display is basically ruined for watching video accurately – there is intolerable RGB interference in all of the blacks, and I can’t see what’s really there. So I have been forced to move on to a Thunderbolt monitor while I look for a better solution. I am HORRIFIED that it does not come with a matte option! It would be NO PROBLEM to pay additional fee, but it is UNACCEPTABLE not to even have the matte option.
I refuse to work my 16 hour days in a totally dark room and, other than that, I am looking at myself ALL DAY, not at my video. If I wanted to look in the mirror while I was at work, I’d go to the darn ladies room. I don’t know a single professional in video, film, design, or photography who can do their work with a glossy screen. Now I am researching third party adaptors, and praying that some clever company will see the wide-open market for matte Thunderbolt-compatible displays and cash in on it, allowing me to give them my money in order to get my monitoring needs met.
I’m looking forward to a new Apple but not if I have to take a Glossy screen. No way!
I would love a new iMac but find glossy screens too annoying — Apple, please give your customers a choice. My Built-To-Order 15″ MacBook Pro with the non-glare display is excellent.
We academics need matte screens!
Today I went to the Apple Store with the intention to buy a desktop computer – my first Apple computer ever after knowing the brand since 1988. Today I was ready to be very flexible on the configuration of the computer to buy it. Within minutes in the store I was asking a sale associate for non-shiny screens (I had not read anything on the topic. That was my own reaction). “Not available for iMac”. Anything else would have been ok but that was a deal breaker. I will not buy an Apple computer.
I have wanted to switch to Apple for a few years, but didn’t want to pay that kind of money for a glossy screen. I am a title professional, and run title on minerals back to the 1800′s in a spreadsheet format. I also work 16 hour days and have had frequent headaches ever since I had to replace my old Compaq matte laptop with a glossy screen Asus. Yes, still a glossy screen, but I decided if I had to go glossy, I wasn’t going to pay a fortune for it, as I would just wait until Apple came to its senses and offered a matte screen again. Sure, I still watch movies, too, but I actually watch them on my Acer matte screen monitor and find the colors and the monitor in general are much better than a glossy screen. If Apple begins to offer matte, I’ll switch!
URGENT. Matte screens or we jump ship. Apple, how you could think that a glossy mirror would do for serious graphic work?
Apple, from your loyal customers, Max Baker of Charlotte, NC here, look me up in your system… PLEASE we NEED Anti-Glare screen option on our 27″ iMacs. I sign.
I’ve been looking to trade in my matte MacBook Pro to a speedier, larger (though, obviously, less portable) iMac for a while now. We’re in the midst of moving, and I find myself thinking, “I need to find a place where, if I get an iMac, I can place it ‘just right’, so the glare on the screen won’t bother me … Somewhere where any light will only be in front of me …” Yes, glossy screens are beautiful, both aesthetically and in their vivid colors. My problem, however, lies in the practicality of it all.
I am very disappointed with the glossy screen and want back the matte screen that my previous MacBook Pro had!
I’m waiting for the new iMac to be released – never have worked with a glossy screen but would prefer a matte one.
I’ve been waiting for years to buy an iMac, just because it has a glossy screen … how can Apple ignore so many people requesting matte screens?
(Switzerland)
Yes, very true … need matte option. I hate the glare.
I’ve been holding off buying a new Mac for two years, waiting for a matte option please, Apple.
Apple, please mattify my iMac!!!
A couple of years ago I purchased a Sony Vaio VPC-F11S1E/B instead of a MacBook Pro. There were two determining factors for my purchase:
1. The Vaio has a full-HD matte display.
2. The Vaio has a ‘#’ symbol on a standard layout keyboard (the kind I’m used to).
Now I’m thinking of purchasing a new laptop, and although I like the MacBook Pro, I feel compelled to go with a Sony Vaio SE with it’s non-glare full-HD display.
Please Apple – provide a matte screen option for your products!
Scott, you are actually able to get the MacBook Pro with a matte screen. It is $50 more (sadly), but well worth it.
I’m waiting for a 27′ iMac with a matte finish, before I replace my 2010.
A matte screen is a must. Simple as that.
Although I like the glass for ease of cleaning, I would gladly give that up if I didn’t have to contort my body and squint my eyes to see what’s on the glossy screen. The glass is great; the reflections are unbearable.
If the iMac had a non-glare screen I would buy one today! Seriously! I just looked at a friend’s iMac thinking about buying one, but no way with a glossy screen.
The environment I work in requires a non-glare screen. I really would like to get an Apple display, but that is just not possible until they provide the option for a non-glare screen. Other makers of monitors provide this product and Apple will simply continue to lose valuable business to them until it responds positively to this requirement.
I purchased a Samsung 23″ non-glare monitor several years to go with my Mac Pro. I love it. I’ve emailed several Apple execs regarding matte screens across the board. Of course, I received NO replies. They seem brain dead to this subject. And so folks like me will spend their money elsewhere.
The glossy stuff is preventing me today from buying one 24″ iMac and two 27″ Thunderbolt Cinema Displays. Seriously I can’t spend that kind of money on mirrors that won’t allow me to work properly.
It is 2012. I work on a 2006 27″ iMac because it has a matte non-glare screen. I bought it refurbished from Apple in 2008 only because of its matte non-glare screen for photo proofing and editing. It is way maxed out and should have been replaced a good year or two ago. Until recently, I have been waiting very patiently for Apple to finally offer another matte non-glare screen. APPLE, PLEASE OFFER A MATTE NON-GLARE SCREEN OPTION ON YOUR NEW UPCOMING iMac RELEASE. If so, I will only love you more.
Apple, please get the matte screen back! I’m not buying a TV. I want a computer I can design on. And I can’t design when I see everything around me in the monitor! I’m paying a lot of money for a quality computer, only to have to then buy an anti-glare solution to add on to it!
Apple please include a MATTE option for all computers. Would love the 13 inch MacBook Pro, but for so long I have not bought it, because of the glossy-only issue. On the other hand 15 inch MacBook Pro is too large. I do not understand why this matte option is not available for ALL models. Matte would be perfect to improve working in different light conditions and avoid reflections.
I used a 24″ matte-screen iMac and now own a new 27″ top model, glossy iMac. I was very worried about the glossy screen but the old iMac just faded away. Now, after using the glossy-screen iMac for 6 months, I have come to the conclusion that it just plain ruins your eyes day by day. I first thought the glossy screen is not as bad as I thought it to be, as long as one puts it exactly at the right place, which is a limitation too. But now I am going to buy an Eizo matte monitor and put it beside the iMac (unbelievable but true!).
There are rumours about new iMacs which have anti-glare screens though and once more I’m dammed to wait. I think we should sue Apple for ruining our eyes day after day – that would be probably the only way to get the attention of the responsible managers. Steve Jobs was stubburn, we all know that, but the new guys seem to be dumb alike (sorry Steve
Please, Apple, make an antiglare screen because I hate glossy screens. Very bad for eyes.
There is hope:
MIT Makes Anti-Fogging, Glare-Free, Self-Cleaning Glass
http://www.geekosystem.com/mit-anti-fog-glare-free-glass
This New Super Glass Is the Fogless, Glare-Free Future
http://gizmodo.com/5905392/this-new-super-glass-is-the-fogless-glare+free-future
Through a glass, clearly
http://www.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/glare-dust-and-fog-free-glass-0426.html
I’m a freelance graphic designer who has a 27″ iMac at home and a 30″ Apple Cinema Display at work, paired to a Mac Mini. The only reason my business partner and I don’t use iMacs at work is because of the glossy display. It is virtually impossible, in my opinion, to do any image editing work on a glossy screen short of working in a completely darkened room. I limit weekend work on the iMac at home to “general” design work –nothing that involves working on images.
I hope Apple will listen to its customers and give us the option to purchase matte displays on their next generation of iMacs.
I’m waiting for the new MacBook Pro, and honestly hope there will be a matte screen standard. When you work with images and photos, I don’t see how you can love a glossy screen.
(Belgium)
I have an iPhone (shiny) and a MacBook Pro (matte). The MacBook Pro is matte because I travel and have no control of the lighting conditions where I have to work. A shiny screen means that you have to arrange lighting to avoid getting sick of the sight of your own face! Not to mention eyestrain from peering through the reflections.
The iPhone is OK as long as it is held in the hand, because you automatically tilt it to avoid reflections, but is not useful when in a holder. Used as a GPS SatNav it is useless on a sunny afternoon. Back to the old TomTom.
(Australia)
I have a MacBook Pro with a matte screen and love it! As soon as the iMac has a matte screen I will replace my 5 years old Mac Pro with it.
(Netherlands)
I really hope the recent rumor is true, that Apple will offer matte displays again. I need to replace my iMac (which has a matte screen), and I’m repelled by the glossy screens I see in the Apple Stores. Actually it suprises me that so many people tolerate these glossy screens. If Apple offers an updated Mac Pro and a 24″ or 27″ matte display, I’ll be buying immediately.
No more gloss on anything connected with PCs and TVs. Also let’s have squarer displays, no more 16:9 ratio.
(United Kingdom)
I don’t know of any Pro user who prefers glossy screens. Apple, on selected iMac systems can we please have a built-to-order option (as on the MacBook Pro) for matte screens.
+1 for a Matte screen! I won’t make a purchase until it is brought back!
My iMac has needed replacing for two years, yet I have not done so because I cannot tolerate the glare and reflections on the current iMacs offered by Apple. As soon as an anti-glare option is made available, I will purchase it. I have always been impressed by Apple’s support for universal access, but I do not understand why Apple chooses to ignore such a large component of their customer base; those that cannot focus their eyes through the glare and reflections. I am willing to pay extra for the matte option.
Please, please, matte Cinema Display with Thunderbolt – Please Apple Please.
I am a keen photographer and find it difficult to see and edit photos accurately using a glossy screen. I have a MacBook Pro with a non-reflective high resolution screen and that’s great, but I would like to buy a Thunderbolt Cinema Display when funds allow, but will not consider this until it has a matte option too. If my present second hand monitor dies before Apple matte monitors are available, I will get a 3rd party one – simple as that! It would also be really great if the MacBook Air and iPad had this matte option too.
There is even a local photography print company, near where I live, which advises all its customers against buying Macs in general because of the reflective screens. That view saddened me, as I do not want Apple to lose its reputation for excellence among creative professionals, but this is what, it seems, is already beginning to happen.
I hope Apple will extend the availability of such an important option such as the matte screen, whether for photographers, for workers to minimise eye-strain, or for people with visual impairment who find matte screens easier to see, or even for people who just don’t like glossy things for aesthetic reasons.
Keeping minorities of customers happy (as well as attracting new ones), is important for every successful company – because minorities added together make a majority.
And a sizeable minority – it seems from talking to those in my Mac User group and to other Mac users I meet – would really appreciate extending the non-reflective screen option across the range (that is iMacs, iPads and MBAs as well as the Thunderbolt display).
Thanks.
I definitely want a matte screen option or anti-glare option on the MacBook Air as well as the iMac. I own a matte screen 15″ MacBook Pro. I have told my friends who want to buy the Mac Mini to go with a LG Anti-Glare external screen. Why can’t Apple bring back the Matte or Anti-Glare option?
My beloved matte-screened iMac died earlier this year, and the main reason I have hesitated to replace it with a new one is the blasted glossy screen. It may look pretty to the average home user, but to a professional who expects to work in front of the screen all day, it’s a disaster. I am a writer who also needs to do the occasional graphics bit or page layout as well as review videos and other materials as part of my work. My office has a large window directly behind my desk; I am completely unable to do my work with a glossy, reflective screen. I have not upgraded to a new machine because I could not get the screen I need. Now I have to upgrade. I can delay for a while, but I hope the rumors of non-reflective glass coming to the iMac prove to be true. While some casual users may say they prefer the “pretty” shiny screens, those users are not operating out of either experience or informed preference; they will, in fact, be just as happy if not happier with a matte screen. A matte screen certainly won’t make them *not* purchase an Apple product— they don’t actually *care* about the screen — whereas the opposite is in fact true for informed and experienced computer users.
Respect your professional base, Apple, and bring back the matte screens.
— Signed, an Apple customer since 1984 and shareholder since 2005.
I know hobby users like the glossy display because all is so beautiful and colorful, however, every pro user hates glossy displays because eyes get tired earlier and you have to place it in different positions to avoid light glare.
I will not buy another iMac without a matte display. I love my matte display from the 2006 white iMac, and I would love to see it on the late 2012 version. I would buy it immediately…!
(Germany)
Apple, don’t make me buy a nice iMac to take off the glossy glass/policarbonate protecction please. Just add the matte option! Makes absolute sense for pros.
More and more, vast numbers of people are spending a lot of time in front of their screens! Apple, why not make it easier on their eyes? Go matte, boys! Apple, we love your products, but we have tired eyes!!!
Apple, please offer matte screens!
(Canada)
It’s been two years since I’m ready to invest in a new iMac. But you know what, there’s one thing that stops me from doing so and it’s the glossy screen. It’s just not right cos it’s not convenient at all if you want to do some real work. I think Apple, by wanting to be too much fun, has forgotten that there’re also people out there doing some serious work with those machines. Sure those glossy screens look nice – and I too have been tempted by the “shiny Apple” – but I’ll definitely won’t bite into it!
(France)
There is hope:
“One report claimed last month that the new iMacs will feature anti-reflective displays.”
Benchmarks hint at next-gen Ivy Bridge MacBook Pro, iMac
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/05/14/benchmarks_hint_at_next_gen_ivy_bridge_macbook_pro_imac.html
I will not buy a MacBook Air or an iMac until there is a matte or antiglare screen.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/02/apples_redesigned_2012_imacs_rumored_to_feature_anti_reflective_glass_displays.html
Apple, please give us a matt option.
I’m ready to buy a non-glossy screen iMac now, I have been waiting three months for the new iMacs but no matte screen on iMacs so far. Apple, get it on those screens now.
I’m about to buy a new computer, in addition to my MacBook Pro and my Mac Mini. If an option for a matte display would be available I’d order in an instant. Currently, there isn’t – so I’ll wait or buy a different one until there is.
(Germany)
I’m not buying new Mac – can’t stand glossy screens!!!
Someone said in Germany that employers are required by legislation to provide matte screens for their workers.
Editor’s note:
See http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31990L0270:EN:HTML
Paragraph 1 – “The screen shall be free of reflective glare and reflections liable to cause discomfort to the user.”
Apple, please, please make sure there is an anti-glare option on the new 2012 MacBook Pros. I was just about to buy Mac after years using Microsoft Windows laptops. Now Samsung’s high-end laptops have non-glare screens, so why not Apple’s?
I’d buy an iMac, but only if a matte screen is available. I can’t stand reflections on glossy screens. Very happy with special order matte screen on 15″ MacBook Pro.
(Canada)
Apple, PLEASE offer matte screens for the iMac and Apple Cinema Displays! Please don’t force me to buy a PC after being a loyal Mac user since the 1990′s!
The current glossy iMac screens are absolutely useless for professional imaging usage, simple as that. There’s obviously a huge demand for it. Why push people toward buying products from the competition? Dumb Apple, dumb.
I don’t like the use of glass on the iMac screen. I’m tired of fighting my iMac. Apple, please offer a matte option. The 30″ Cinema Display was such a great monitor.
(Canada)
I will not buy another Mac unless it comes with a matte screen. I am currently receiving treatment from an eye specialist for problems that started when I upgraded my computer to a glossy screen.
Please sort it out Apple – start listening to your customers and bring out a matte screen SOON! – while you’re at it could you stop being such blatant capitalists and upgrading your OS needlessly so often leaving your customers with little choice but to upgrade their other software (which they rely on to make a living) to stay compatible. Many thanks. Muggins.
Save money and don’t put glass in front of the non-glossy LED screen.
Apple, save our eyes, give us matte screens or give us death. Actually we’d really prefer the matte screens and not so much the death thingy.
Thanks
James L
What I find really ironic in all of this is that, back then, you had to pay extra for a glossy screen – now you have to pay extra to get a matte screen! (if you have that option).
It is ridiculously stupid to have a glossy screen. You see every reflection (incuding your own!) which makes everything difficult to read.
(Belgium)
I would also like a monitor that is not glossy! My eyes are going blind with it!!!!!
I am waiting to buy a Matte monitor. I have a five friends that are waiting also!
New iMacs coming out soon… Apple, please add a non-glossy option! That might even fix the yellow stains on the current iMac screens. Unforgiveable for a computer in that price range.
And also give us users a replaceable storage option. Don’t want to send the whole machine for a simple HDD/SSD failure.
Thanks for listening.
A non-imac user.
(New Zealand)
Hoping for matte screens in the new iMacs. We need to replace our old white iMacs and will go with Mac Minis and Dell matte monitors if needs be.
I will not buy the new iMac unless it is matte and antiglare.
I use only matte screens especially for photography.
One more for matte monitors.
-Seth
+1
+1, will not buy another glossy Mac display.
Still using a 23″ Apple Cinema Display (older matte version). If I have to buy a new monitor before Apple fixes this, I will be looking at other brands. Can NOT stand to deal with a glossy screen. So please fix this, Apple. You can also voice your opinion to apple directly here: http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Bring back matte!! Or better yet, offer both so we can have a choice.
Matte Me!
I want a Matte iMac!!!
I sit in front of my Mac all day doing photo editing. While I can tolerate a glossy screen on my iPad, it simply is unacceptable for me on the desktop. I have not used an Apple monitor since they became glossy-only and when I replace my current NEC 30″ monitor, it will likely be another NEC, unless Apple can produce something to match it, with a matte screen.
Last year I was forced to replace my company’s three non-Intel computers in order to upgrade software. Refusing to buy glossy screens, I sought out and purchased used-units from the last year the matte screen iMacs were made. As much as I would love to have new models, I feel betrayed by Apple’s intransigence towards its users. I learned personal computing on a Lisa – I’ve been a loyal Apple customer ever since. How about Apple showing a bit of appreciation for all the creative people in the world who bucked the IBM trend and saved the brand that is now the most popular and profitable.
I would buy an iMac if there was a matte screen.
+1 for matte. It’s the only screen!
Apple – Please revise your thinking on the non-offering of a matte screen. The consequence of that approach is neither good for the consumer (all of us out here) nor Apple, as many are considering leaving your brand for another. Please, in your forward thinking vision of our work & living spaces, take note of all these customers’ requests and add a non-glossy option on all computer products and monitors. We want to Buy!, so please don’t push us away!
I’m writing from my matte-screen MacBook Peo. I have a work laptop that is a Mac with glossy screen, and I can’t even describe how much I wish it were matte. Thankfully, I do have an external matte monitor at work, because there is NO WAY to get rid of all the reflections in an office environment. But for my personal use, I refuse to buy a Mac that has a glossy screen. Apple, if you want to succeed in the enterprise environment, you need to provide more matte screen options (e.g. iMac) and you need to update the Mac Pro with Thunderbolt and a modern processor.
The glossy screen design on current iMacs (and iPads/iPhones for that matter) is purely an aesthetic choice that Apple made regarding the design of its products. The first thing I do when I get a new iPhone or iPad is to slap a matte finish screen protector on it. Without that, the fingerprints alone will make you nuts. In my home office/studio, I have been driven to keep the window shades down all day since the glossy screens on my desktops make my head pound. I have M.S. and the bright glare can put me in a photophobic tailspin ending with a multi-day migraine! At least my MacBook Pro’s can be custom ordered with matte screens – so there is some relief when traveling – that is, until Apple pulls that option when they release the high resolution retina displays on their notebooks … then I’m sunk.
What? Less than 2,200 signatures? This petition needs to be blasted, Facebooked, Tweeted, Pinned, the works! There’s a huge Apple base out there to move this along. I’ve already shared this twice. C’mon people, you need to post this on your walls, Twitter, your blogs.
A matte screen is mandatory when you work with a laptop that you bring everywhere and don’t control the lighting conditions. It’s not fair to pay an additional price to get matte instead of a glossy screen.
(Belgium)
I’m just sitting in front of my Mac Pro’s matte 24″ Cinema Display. I want to update my Mac Pro (Woodcrest) since it does not support Lion 10.7 (Apple please update the Mac Pro soon) and will keep my old matte display if Apple does not make new matte displays available. After more than 25 years buying Appple stuff (started with Appple IIc) I even will consider buying a new display from another brand. I also use an old white MacBook with matte screen, and will change it soon, but only for a matte screen MacBook. However, I prefer a 13″ above the only matte-available 15″. Same reflection problems with the iPad (first generation) and the iPhone 4. Please Apple listen to your loyal customers.
Sadly Apple are only interested in I-phones rather than their computer users now. And Apple “listening to their customers” … That would be a change of tack!!!
Yes, I want the possibility to choose a matte screen when buying my pro hardware.
(France)
We have 20 stations in our studio all with Microsoft Windows and all with matte screen. If Apple updates the Mac Pro and matte Mac Display, we are eager to upgrade all our workstations into Mac. That means, we need 20 topped up specs of Mac Pro and 40 Mac displays with matte finish. If we are not hearing from Apple soon, we will be just upgrading to Microsoft Windows workstations again.
In an office where there is a lot of sun when I am there, reflective screens render a computer virtually useless no matter what direction you have the screen pointing in.
For 3 years now I have put off upgrading my 6 year old white-bodied iMac. I’ve been eager to upgrade to the newest, biggest, fastest iMac model, but I just can’t while it has a glossy screen. So many times now I have walked away from the showroom disappointed.
To me, the strain of working with a reflective screen just isn’t worth it. Sometimes the reflections obscure your view, sometimes they mess with your visual focus, sometimes they’re just plain distracting. And they’re forever a pain to compensate for in a room where the light changes throughout the day.
Apple, please, please bring back a screen as good as the superb as the matte one of the white-bodied iMac.
I really really really want a matte screen … it’s so so so much better for everything. Shouldn’t that be obvious?
I would immediately change from my quite new 13″ MacBook Pro to a matte screen.
(Switzerland)
I really like Apples hardware in general. BUT it is ridiculous that Apple refuses to listen to all the professionals out there in this regard. It should be a no-brainer to deliver matte display options for the entire series of MacBooks and iMacs/Cinema Displays. I have always chosen matte displays when possible. It is very important for longer work sessions etc. I would immediately buy several new Macs (Air and iMac) if just Apple listen to the customers here. Talk about buy signals…
(Sweden)
I have started slowly to convert from PC Windows to Apple products. Bought only iPhone, iPad, iPod – using all of them with anti-glare screen protectors. Want to buy a MacBook Air and probably some of the others, but can’t stand to use the shiny screens. Will wait till Windows 8 is released – if Apple does not start making matte screens for their computers by that time – just will continue with Windows PCs. All my computers are old and to be replaced – 4 of them.
There ought to be a general “Apple, stop pissing on your Pro users” petition – Xserve, Final Cut Pro – and now I hear Apple are dropping the 17″ MacBook Pro? Say it ain’t so, Apple.
I’ve used Macs for 23 years now and I expect to for the indefinite future, but I will never use a glossy screen unless it has an anti-reflection coating on it to cut the horrific reflections caused by not one, but two uncoated glass surfaces – there is the shiny surface of the LCD itself adding another four percent, minimum. Twelve percent total reflection at zero degrees incidence (perpendicular) is huge and simply ruinous of the viewing experience. The older displays which I use now are a single matte surface, reflecting a total of four percent in a very diffuse way, which in moderately low light is fantastic. But the harder glass surface is a benefit and the black bezels are pretty. The trick would be to bond the LCD to the inner surface of the glass with an optical cement, then to AR coat the outer surface, to obtain a total reflectance of under one percent, albeit with a glossy/specular pattern. That would look awesome. As would a more diffused version of the same thing (the outer surface not microscopically smooth).
The current iMac screens and the 27″ standalone display are completely intolerable.
Well, tomorrow’s WWDC Conference 2012 is the moment of truth. A new generation of Apple hardware will be released. So we will see if the geniuses at Apple – who collectively have designed and built some incredible products – have finally figured out the obvious … that glossy screens are near worthless for anyone spending hours in front of them.
The WWDC 20012 Keynote is over and both the new MacBook Air and MacBook Pro have the HORRIBLE glass displays. Apple should get this clear: no matte display, no purchase at
http://www.apple.com/feedback
I just saw the 2012 MacBook Pro and was heavily considering replacing my MacBook Pro 2007 model (I’ve been looking forward to this for YEARS now) with the retina 2012 model when I realized there is no matte option … Seriously Apple? Windows 8 is coming out soon, and when it does come out I will likely not buy Apple for the first time in FIVE years (with help from Adobe’s awesome programs I’ve invested in which are now cross-platform!)
I own a Mac Pro 12 core, an iPad, an iPhone and even a few iPod’s, but as I am a professional designer I simply cannot afford a cheap, gimmicky glass screen (and let’s face it, nobody wants this despite so many THINKING they want it) – Instead I need something that doesn’t show what’s behind me, but instead focuses on what’s in front of me – my laptop and my work! Seriously, Apple, get your heads out of your rears and realize you are alienating the very people that originally made Mac’s popular: designers, videographers, photographers, etc. I totally get the glossy screens for touch-capable devices, but get this crap off the Mac’s – offer us a matte option!
Apple is slipping, at this rate they are headed for a bad place. I would not hold stock in this company at this point. These little mistakes are starting to pile up (5 years ago I had NOTHING but great things to say about Apple; today I have a long laundry list from the STILL non-existent Thunderbolt support on their flagship Mac Pro product, to the junky glossy screens, to the giant flops with Final Cut Pro which led me to my new favorite editor: AVID!
Just like Facebook, Apple are visibly slipping in major ways not yet seen by the public. It’s only a matter of time unless they turn it around, and I see nothing but patterns so far which indicate this is definitely not happening.
+1 Need non-gloss before purchasing this upgrade.
One more for matte displays.
Dirk
(Cologne, Germany)
I detest gloss screens for computer work. Apple, please ditch them – they make no sense whatsoever.
I entirely agree with the above post. @ Trevor, well said. I find myself in almost the exact same position. Big let down.
Totally supporting this. I work all day on my PowerBook G4. Next to me, my wife complains about her recent MacBook glossy screen all the time! I’m actually ready to buy a matte Microsoft PC now that Apple has revelead its new range at WWDC 2012, and it’s still glossy.
(France)
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Gloss screens are the work of the Devil.
Definitely on board. Let’s get those matte screens.
Please Apple – provide a matte screen option for every device. The glossy screens are awful inside and out. The only thing I don’t like about my iMac, and my iPad are the terrible glossy screens. We don’t use these devices in dark rooms.
Would love a matte screen on my iMac. Not buying a new one untill this is an option.
I have the older 30″ matte display and love it. The glossy screen hurts my eyes.
Please bring the matte screen back!!! You can not wonder how difficult it was for me to buy a different-brand display for my Mac Pro. So Mate it is. BRING IT BACK!
Every two or three years, I buy a new MacBook. All of them have been anti-glare screen. No glossy for me nor any of my family members.
I am an Apple fan, but my eyes needn’t hurt, so, Apple, please provide matte screen across the board.
I had to buy a Mac Mini and a LaCie monitor – actually, I’m very happy with the LaCie monitor, so Apple may have just lost a customer. But I would really love a new iMac with a MATTE screen!!
no matte
no 17″
no deal
Windows 8 here I come …
I was excited about the new MacBook Pro’s (2012) display until I read that it is glossy-only. I went from absolutely, positively, definitely ready to buy my first Mac computer, to no longer sure. I would be much, much happier with a matte option. Please include a matte option on all Macintosh products, especially the new Retina display Macbook Pro.
Matte screen for iMac, please. Thank you.
The MacBook Pro is supposed to support visual professionals. I am a professional photographer and need a matte screen for color accuracy. I’m very surprised Apple is not standing by a loyal, long-term core market.
Apple doesn’t care. If they did, they would have offered the matte screen option a long time ago. Unfortunately most consumers, who buy Apple now, have no idea. They walk into an Apple store and see that brilliant glossy screen and think, “wow that is awesome”. Then they buy the iMac. Reality is, Apple only cares about making sales. So the glossy screen seems to be liked more by consumers who have no clue what they are buying – they just buy it because it looks good to them. And since Apple’s sales have increased, they no longer care about the professionals out there. The stupid thing about that is that Apple could offer the matte screen and make even more sales. Looks like I will be waiting to see what Windows 8 has to offer. Apple’s seem to be all rotten.
I need a matte screen. This glossy screen hurts my eyes! It doesn’t take much money to upgrade the screens and I’m willing to eat the cost 100 PERCENT.
The high resolution screen on the MacBook Pro is fantastic for watching movies … if I wasn’t distracted by my own reflection staring back at me. In scenes that are dark (inevitably with the parts with high tension), my screen is a literal mirror.
I would say that I regretted not opting for the matte finish, but had I taken it, I probably would have felt like a fool for paying hundreds of dollars in order to properly see the thousand-dollar screen that I was already paying for.
Apple, please let us have the choice of usability. Give us matte screen for a better experience !
All of my current Mac laptops have antiglare screens and I would not buy any upgrade where this is not an option.
I don’t mind having a glossy screen. Usually the glare is “acceptable” to me. Recently though, I have been getting headaches from my machines. This is after moving from a matte 20″ iMac, to a glossy only MacBook Pro. Now the retina display comes out, with glossy-only option. Not cool Apple. Not buying it.
Tim Cook, listen to the people.!!! If I wanted a mirror, I could’ve spend $20 and gotten one. I don’t want my $2000 machine to be a mirror.
I’m never going to buy a Mac without an anti-glare screen.
Anti-glare is a must for people with eye problems. I know from talking to many people that I’m not alone with this. At the very least, tech support should have a page on how to acid-etch your own display (of course a paid-for factory option is far better, nobody likes to experiment with shiny! expensive new stuff).
I would have bought a maxed-out iMac, but glossy screens are simply unusable to me, so instead I bought a maxed-out Mac Mini and a ViewSonic matte monitor. While Apple has certainly lost money on me, and on the many signatories here, there’s a bigger issue — character and integrity. The glossy-only policy manifests a succumbing to fadishness, style, and monoculture, over design excellence and meeting the needs of users — many loyal users. Same goes with discontinuing the 17″ MacBook Pro, and OSX support for the Apple USB modem. It’s chintzy, cheap behavior, and it’s an intangible negative that Apple needs to purge from its decision style. As Apple hardware has moved from novelty, to luxury, to commodity, to necessity for many users, Apple needs to respect this fact and take some extra care to see who is harmed by product line and design decisions it is contemplating, and step a little more out of its way to provide options that meet the needs of the minority.
Message for MaX – regarding the three posts which you submitted, which have not yet been posted, I tried a few times to email you at the email address you gave – but that email does not seem to be a proper email address. It keeps bouncing back, so there is no way for me to contact you.
MacMatte website moderator
Matte! Please, Apple! I can’t work with it on a sunny day.
I can not tolerate a glare screen. It gives me headaches. I work with people with autism, and all of them require matte screens – which forces families to not select Mac computers.
Apple, please consider matte screens. We need to replace our Dells and would love to switch to Mac but can’t tolerate the glare in the screens.
“Why We Will Not Buy An Apple Mac If It Has A Glossy Screen”
+1 to this, priceless!
Dear Apple,
My 17″ MacBook Pro died a couple of months ago due to old age. It was a cherished machine but I shall not be purchasing another Mac unless you reintroduce the matte screen option.
I am also appalled that you have discontinued the 17 inch model. What a shame!
(United Kingdom)
My first Mac was a 17 inch PowerBook with the titanium case, awesome. Still have it but have been forced to buy a new MacBook Pro paired with a glossy screen display.
My eyes hurt so much and are so strained from the display I can’t see road signs. Please being back the matte screen. I also would be happy to pay extra if it were offered.
(Mauritius)
Three of us are outside working as I type this. One is wearing polarized lenses, and at most angles, his glossy screen shows up black. I’m working on a glossy screen with regular lenses, and all I can see in the screen is myself. The 3rd guy is working on a matte screen with no issues and is 100% more productive than the two of us on glossy screens.
+1 for matte.
I do not understand Apple’s refusal to offer an antiglare screen in their entire lineup. Customers have asked for it, and are willing to pay extra for it as evidenced in the MacBook Pro line. This is an arrogant way of thinking and has completely alienated a large part of their user base that are the very same ones who helped the company achieve the level they are currently at. Apple continues assuming they know what is best for us based on illogical reasoning worrying about the short term customer trying to lure them in with marketing ploys (retina screens anyone?) Why can’t they see that, aside from the pressing demand on this forum and elsewhere, there are legitimate health concerns as to why matte screens are a must-have option. We are not asking Apple to eliminate glossy screens on the entire Mac lineup, and replace them with matte. We are just asking for an option. Why, Apple, do you continue to be so reluctant to provide a matte option for your customers who have continually spent large amounts of money with you for a long, long time. Just because Apple says “glossy is better” means nothing. There has been no real-world evidence of that – actually much research proving the exact opposite. I have a 2007 MacBook Pro. It is in desperate need of an upgrade. I will not do so until you offer a matte option again. A beautiful new MacBook Pro is released, and I can’t get it because it has a glossy screen. Oh, but you say the gloss is reduced 75%. “75% from what” is the better question. I looked at the new MacBook Pro’s Retina display. It is still glossy, still causes headaches, and certainly is still unusable outdoors. Please, Apple, think of your customers like you once did, instead of solely marketing and revenue, and begin offering a matte screen option once again. It’s really not that hard to do.
I saw the new MacBook Pro Retina display today. I don’t know about glare, but reflections are still there 100%. If this is what’s in store for the new iMac, after I’ve been holding onto my white iMac all this while hoping for a matte screen again, then I’m going to have to give up and go over to Windows.
I’m beginning to develop a genuine hatred for glossy displays. Why put a mirror in front of a $1000 display? Aren’t displays supposed to be for viewing the screen? And yet I’m forced to look at my beautiful mug all day. It completely baffles me. Apple, please make a matte display and take my hard earned money.
Support – I hate glossy screens … I am still loving my 2006 iMac with matte screen and white casing.
I’ve been trudging along with my now 6 year old 1st Intel model 17″ high-res matte screen MacBook Pro, despite being a professional software technologist, writer, developer, and semi-serious digital photographer using Aperture. Except for its limit of 2GB RAM, it does amazingly well, but I have been growing increasingly impatient and frustrated for a couple of years hoping, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that Apple would yield on matte iMac screens. Now we have a whole new design of MacBook Pros and no matte screen for them in sight. (One can still hope that later this year will see a 17″ MacBook Pro with a matte screen, but who knows if they will even release another 17″?) I realize that all the glitz and sparkle of a retina display would be toned down a little and not wow as many naive eyes if it were coupled with matte glass, but really …
So what I did is traded my mother my MacBook Pro for the Mac Mini I bought her a few years ago, filled it with 8GB RAM, and bought a gorgeous 27″ Samsung SyncMaster S27A850D 27″ LED Backlit 2560×1440 (WQHD) Monitor and a $5 mini-display port to display port cable from Monoprice, and I’m delighted. I did a lot of work comparing specs and reviews of this monitor ($850 Buy.com) against its competitors — the HP ZR2740 ($700 Amazon), Dell UltraSharp U2711 ($820 Amazon), and NEC PA271 ($1200 Amazon). I really wanted a 16:10 screen and almost went for the HP ZR30w 30-inch S-IPS ($1100 Amazon), but its higher cost and older technology dissuaded me. I went around and around, even thinking about getting two 24-inch monitors, but I kept coming back to the Samsung. (It’s tough having to buy something like this when you can’t find one to look at unless you know someone who has one, and in any case my policy is that if I look at something at a physical store, I won’t buy it on line.) I couldn’t be happier. It’s extremely sharp and clear, with no sparkle and only a very diffuse glare. (Seems to be a little less anti-glare, or at least a more subtle technique, than other anti-glare monitors from what I’ve read.) As much as I hate to say it, it is far superior to the old Apple 30″ I clung to for so long at my last job.
I’d go for a new Mac the minute they announce one — MBP 17″ or iMac 27″ — with a Matte screen. (Can’t deal with the noise and heat of a Mac Pro at home, though I have had them at work.) Meanwhile, think again about whether a jacked-up Mini would be good enough: upgrade the $800 model to a dual-core i7 (+$100), 8GB RAM instead of 4 (+$100), and a 256GB SSD instead of the 500GB 5400RPM HD (+$600), and for $1600 + the display and you’ve got roughly the equivalent of a 27″ iMac for roughly the same price (depending on options), though with a less powerful display board (but that may not matter — even my mother’s several-year old Mini with a NVIDIA GeForce 9400 does just fine driving the 2560×1440 display). And as a bonus, you can carry your lightweight display to another room and plug it into a television or DVD player or iPod/iPad or whatever whenever you want.
I would buy an iMac if there was an optional matte screen.
Mike
(United Kingdom)
I will not buy an iMac without a matte screen.
Nicholas Cooper.
(Germany)
There is hope:
Revolutionary Coating Could Kill Touchscreen Glare Forever
http://gizmodo.com/5920275/revolutionary-coating-could-kill-touchscreen-glare-forever
I am totally fed up with the iMac’s glossy screen – I took off the glass front to be able to work with the thing. I will definitely buy no other iMac or MacBook Pro with a glossy screen!
(Switzerland)
I am waiting for a matte screen to update my Mac. I will not use a glossy monitor. As a designer this is not a reasonable way to see and create my work. I will use my old Mac till it burns out.
I went to the Apple Store to see the new Retina MacBook Pro (2012), and the glare and reflections on the Retina-glossy screen look just as bad to me. I’m unsure how Phil Schiller estimates there is 75% less reflection. But then again, a few years ago, the same Phil Schiller said the reflections from the glossy screen weren’t a problem, and that you can just adjust the screen angle to avoid the reflections. Now, close to 5 years later, the same Phil Schiller says they’ve reduced the reflections by 75%. It think Phil is good at “marketing”.
I’d love the option for a matte screen, even if it cost a little more (like the MacBook Pro). Just give us the option, Apple.
(Australia)
+1 matte screen option for ALL Mac products. My current 13″ Mac is a pain because of the glossy screen. Hewlett Packard is tempting because of matte display. C’mon Apple!!!!
I also have avoided buying a new iMac since last December 2011 due to the glossy screen. I currently have a 2002 G4 iMac with a nice matte screen, but unfortunately the computer has become too old to update. I would love to buy an entire desktop system from my local Apple dealer, but I’m wondering if there is an option to get just the computer and buy a matte monitor elsewhere. What a shame! I need to act quick. What can I do?
As a person who earns a living supporting photographers and as a photographer myself, I have awaited to no avail for new Apple Cinema Displays with matte screens, and for iMac’s with matte screens. In my years of waiting I have purchased used-cinema displays and replaced the screen just so I don’t have to get a glossy screen. I have purchased Eizo displays to replace Cinema Displays – all the while hoping Apple would understand that they have a user base that they built up with great support for the graphics community, then seemingly ignored pros for the last few years. New Mac pro??? Yeah, still no Thunderbolt port. And what I would not give for a Thunderbolt Cinema Display with matte screen … If they build it I will buy it!!
I’m tired of staring back at my own reflection in my 2008 iMac. My next computer will be a Windows PC if Apple don’t listen to its customers and produce a matte screen.
(Germany)
I thought of buying a new MacBook together with the Thunderbolt display as a docking station. But since the Thunderbolt display is only available as glossy, that’s out of the question. Unfortunately, there doesn’t even seem to exist a third-party producer with a matte display and Thunderbolt technology. Seems like an opportunity for business – I would buy it from whoever produced it.
(Germany)
I love Macs and I am desperate to buy a new iMac, but, as a photographer, the glossy screen does not cut it and I won’t go there. As president of a photography organisation that represents over 350 photographers I can speak for the overwhelming majority of them who can’t work with and won’t buy a glossy screen. There has been a massive turn away from Mac in my industry because of this. Please listen to the people and produce matte displays!!
Tony
(New Zealand)
Here’s a great shot comparing the new Retina MacBook Pro (2012) screen in the middle, with the old glass screen on the left and the matte screen on the right:
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/mac/retinaMacBookPro/DSC_7440.jpg
Concerning the above post from Nick, here is the source and more:
The next-gen MacBook Pro with Retina Display Review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/4
I need a REAL matte screen on the new Retina MacBook Pro! Now!! I am not buying any Apple unless it’s matte.
+1 I just bought the MacFrame to at least remove the glass cover. Text is sharper and glare reduced. Wish the actually screen was matte though…
I am a Mac user. Matte screen is my preference. I’m concerned that the new line of Mac products doesn’t have this matte option.
Agreed. Seriously, what real professional – who stares at a screen all day long – does not love a matte screen?
Matte vs Glossy Screens
http://www.squidoo.com/matte-vs-glossy-screens
Includes:
Comparison of Matte & Glossy Monitors
Computer Screen Preference Poll
Matte screen or glossy?
Matte: 76.7%
Glossy: 23.3%
Total Votes: 1817 as of today.
Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/05/23/glossy-vs-matte-screens-why-the-pc-industrys-out-of-touch
I am considering a Windows 7 all-in-one computer – only because there is no matte option for the iMac.
Three days ago this article was on Gizmodo. I noticed that Steve Wozniak (Woz) has a 15″ MacBook Pro with an anti-glare screen. Me too and I love the matte screen. Pay attention, Apple.
http://gizmodo.com/5926598/the-amazing-contents-of-steve-wozniaks-travel-backpack
New anti-glare tech
Nintendo 3DS XL sports a less reflective screen than its predecessor, improved parallax effect. Each of the LCD’s three glare-prone layers were specially treated to reduce reflectivity from the original 3DS’ 12 percent, down to 3 percent. According to Nintendo’s head honcho, Iwata, anti-reflection coatings have been on the Big N’s radar since the GameBoy Advance era, but were typically abandoned because they were too pricey.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/23/3ds-xl-screen-reduced-glare-improved-parallax/
I am considering buying a MacBook Pro 15″ Retina Display along with a Cinema Display 27″, but I was very disappointed to find out that a matte screen is not an option anymore.
Apple, please consider adding a matte screen for both the MacBook Pro line and the external Cinema Displays. I am willing to pay extra to protect my eyes.
Otherwise, I will simply stay with the Microsoft Windows world, where I have more options.
Thank you
Mauricio
No new Cinema Display for me, as long as there is no matte option.
Can anybody please share their experience with Samsung and other displays of the same resolution?
I also have not purchased a new Apple Mac in 4 years – I have the last decent matte screen model, and go to the store periodically, but can’t take the glare for medical reasons.
C’mon already, Apple! I have the last generation of the beautiful white iMac that had the matte screen, and that model is too old to run Mountain Lion, which means that as of today’s release of OSX 10.8, the last matte-screen iMacs you built are officially obsolete. I have money burning a hole in my pocket waiting to buy a new Mac, but you’re not giving me anything I can buy!
i work in software development and web design. About three years ago, I wanted to buy a MacBook Pro but there was no matte option available (it became available later), so I bought another laptop (Samsung) which had a matte screen. I don’t care about perfect colors, but non-glossy is very important to me. The clear reflections on a glossy screen are very distracting. My eyes try to focus on the reflections instead of the screen.
I was waiting months for the new Retina MacBook Pro release to finally buy a Mac. If there was a matte option I would have bought it instantly, even if the matte screen was an extra 150$/€ update.
Also, I will never buy a glossy Apple Thunderbolt display. I saw some of them today in an Apple store. The reflections are too annoying. Judging from what I heard today in the Apple store, Apple customers are consumers who have no idea what they are buying. They don’t care about matte/glossy and nobody tells them the difference.
I hope Apple will bring matte screen back for the small percentage of professionals who need them for work.
(Austria)
Where is the MacBook Pro Retina matte version? Not buying a new MacBook Pro until Apple resolves this.
(Czech Republic)
As a pro photographer, not having a matte screen is the end to buying Apple displays for me. I was looking at buying 3 new Apple Cinema Displays for the studio in the future. What a great disappointment.
(Toronto, Canada)
Apple, what is wrong with you? No matte screen options, no 17″ MacBook Pros! I have for years enjoyed my first Apple product – a 17″ MacBook Pro with matte screen, first unibody from 2009. I have enjoyed it so much, I have converted several people to Apple products through the years. Since then, I have added two iPads and an iPod to the family. I have the intention of replacing my MacBook Pro fairly soon, but I was disappointed to hear that you killed the 17″ and matte options. Tsk, tsk, tsk. My eyes hurt looking at the glossy screen (I have a matte screen protector on an iPad). Apple, please return the matte screen option, and 17″, or I may consider going back to Microsoft PCs! Oh, the HORROR!!!! If I have to buy a glossy screen laptop, i might as well pay less.
Apple is getting more and more oppressive, leaving customers no options to choose from. At work I had to replace my old PowerMac G5 with matte screen with a brand new iMac glare screen. I love the iMac but the glare screen forces me to leave the blinds in my office down all day long in order to work halfway comfortably.
At first I thought that it is just a matter of getting used to the new glossy screen, but after half a year of having to endure it, I can safely say: Glare screens stink! They are eye-killers!
Mr. Tim Cook: Please give your customers the option to choose again – glare or non-glare for all Macs. Customers are not under-age kids who don’t know what they need! Don’t confuse innovation with oppression. Even longterm Apple users like me (since 1982) will eventually start looking for other options.
I am also holding off buying a new Mac until matte screens are an option. I love my matte Cinema Display, iMac, and MacBook Pro. Why did Apple take the matte option away? Many people NEED a matte screen! In the meantime, I am looking to buy a Windows PC!
I think this petition is a good thing, I’m currently using an iMac however. That’s why I came up with the idea to replace the glass in front of the display by a black frame. That reduces the glare significantly. I startet a crowd funding project together with an engineer to get the “GlassFree for iMac” frame off the ground.
If you’re interested, please check out our IndieGoGo page: http://indiegogo.com/glassfree
and our website: berlin1000.com
Thank you!
I am among those awaiting a possible, if not probable, matte screen option on a future Apple release. Currently, I am using an older, matte-screen Mac, which I like just fine, but the computer itself needs functional upgrading, and I will never buy a model with a glossy, glass screen, so my options are limited. For those who have already made such a purchase and are suffering because of glare, perhaps this proposed fix will interest you (I am in no way connected to the guys doing the fund raiser except as a donor):
http://www.indiegogo.com/glassfree?a=698611
+1 I want a thunderbolt display, not a mirror…
I will not buy an iMac unless it has a matte screen – I am a pro photographer and can not work on the glossy screen.
I’m still looking for a second-hand 23″ aluminum Cinema Display (with the 2005 copyright tag, brighter); more contrast than the initial release), rather than deal with glare of the current Cinema Displays. Modern office space design is all about natural light (LEED, etc.). That means light on the screen; no can do with shiny one.
My eyes gets strained easily. I need the matte option. Waiting for it. Apple, please add the matte option. Because of the lack of matte option, now I am using a 17 inch MacBook Pro. If the iMac gets a matte option, I will sell my MacBook Pro and get an iMac.
Need to purchase 7 Macs for our studio. Can’t replace the older Cinema Displays or iMacs because of the glossy screens. We have one glossy iMac that sat unused until we connected a Dell matte monitor to it. Apple is pissing off its most loyal customers and leaving money on the table … Stupid!
We have three PCs at home, all with matte screens. One machine needs to be replaced and I want an iMac. But I can’t go there though, because I will not use a glossy screen. Do I have to buy a Dell or another Samsung?
p.s. The pictures on our walls, prints of paintings, photographs, have had framed glass replaced with non-glare glazing – far superior.
(United Kingdom)
I’m a designer who works in a normal daylight studio.
I use a third party matte screen because the Apple displays have hyper-glossy screens.
I have used Apple glossy screens in normal daylight environments and they are useless for color critical work. They also have viewing problems because of the pronounced reflections interfering with viewing the screen.
The glossy design is unsound for both ergonomic and color function.
(Canada)
Sold the iMac 27″ after 1 year. I had constantly eye problems. Now I have a Mac Pro and, yes, a Dell matte monitor on my table and I’m very happy. Apple is making very big mistake by forcing preofesional users to adopt the unhealthy glossy screen. Have Apple’s designers tried to use this glossy machine at least for a month, 12 hours per day, in a normal office where is a daylight?
(Germany)
I love Apple products in general but not always. For instance, I hate the glossy screens for sizes larger than the iPad. I have a couple of MacBook Pros 15″ and 17″ with matte screens and I enjoy working with them. I bought a third laptop, a MacBook 13″ with glossy screen and then an iMac 27″ because I needed a high resolution screen. The reflection is unbearable no matter what I do. I kept having headaches and watery eyes. I stopped using the 13″ MacBook and I got an expensive high-end anti-glare sheet specifically designed for the iMac 27″. Sure, the glare is gone but so did the quality, the definition of the characters, the colours, the clarity of the pictures. It is terrible.
I am computer consultant. I use a computer at least 12 hours a day for everything: program, test code, evaluate apps, build web sites, diagnose software problems, create animations, edit photos, etc. I am really disappointed with Apple for ignoring so many users like me who cannot stand a glossy screen.
Because I need a larger screen and resolution, I bought an NEC and an LG monitor that I connect to my MacBooks and I even got an HP laptop that comes with a beautiful full HD matte 15″ screen standard for evaluating games. The 22″ LG LED screen is ok; much better than any Apple glossy screen but the 27″ NEC picture is simply gorgeous. It is not cheap but the joy of working with such quality is worth every penny. I hoped that Apple would build something similar that works well with the thunderbolt connection but they didn’t. I tried the 15″ MacBook Pro retina display which Apple claims has less glare, and true enough, it does have less glare but still terrible to work with for more than half an hour. If Apple didn’t have a matte screen for laptops, I would have switched back to Windows. I can tolerate the problems that come with Windows and I can work around them and even fix a few of them but the glossy issue, no way. Yes, the anti-glare issue to me is the most important point in deciding whether to stay with Apple or not.
So this is to Apple: do you really care about your customers’ satisfaction? If so, then find out what NEC is doing and build a MATTE screen like theirs into your iMacs and add a thunderbolt connection to it. Hell, I’ll even pay extra for that. Your solutions (tilt screen, change the lights in the room, add an anti-glare sheet) DON’T work at all. What’s next – build a special room with special lighting that works well with your glossy screens? C’mon, be reasonable, we are paying a lot more for Apple products because we expect the best, and glossy screens are not the best for at least 40% of computer users.
Count this as another signature, and one from a photographer.
I have a glossy iMac 21.5″ that needs upgrading, but I don’t want to buy a new one because of the glossy screen. I can’t control the lighting conditions in my office. So, I’ll buy a matte screen from another brand and work under Linux. Apple used to make matte screens, so what not give us the choice?!
(Belgium)
+1
I will never buy a Mac product with a glossy screen [besides maybe ipads].
I HATE glossy screens.
Which is a shame because I love Macs.
However, I do not want my screen to be a mirror. I hate being able to see myself in my computer screen.
I am writing this from an older MacBook Pro with a matte screen.
I would rather pay to have this repaired if there is ever a problem with it, than to buy a glossy screen.
(Australia)
Consider this another signature (another photographer). I was all ready to purchase a new MacBook Pro with Retina display until I saw the glare when looking at the Retina screen in store. Sure, it’s lower glare than on previous glossy screens but the glare is still there and still significant. I’d like to know if a matte display is ever possible on new MacBook Pro models from now.
(Australia)
I Franz Reumer’s poetry
I want not hate, so I work with matte.
(Switzerland)
Apple, please offer matte screens again! I went to the Apple store all ready to drop $2500+ on a new computer for my screen printing shop, credit card in hand even! But once I discovered that I don’t have the option to choose the matte screen anymore, I got pretty scared and figured I better think about it. I’ve been messing around on my roommate’s glossy iMac for a few days now, and I can definitely see how the glossy screen could be a problem for a professional who looks at their screen for hours a day. Yikes, my eyes get tired so fast, and I can see everything in the room reflecting back at me, even after I turned it away from the window. What do I do??? Guess it’s back to eBay so I can keep using my aluminum matte display. What a bummer, Apple, I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY MONEY!!! Please hurry!! I want an awesome new computer!!
I have a matte Macbook Pro – and have enjoyed it. The keyboard and touchpad are superb.
However my next PC/tablet will be Windows 8-based. Microsoft have raised their game. I want choices – especially regarding matte anti-glare screens.
For Apple, matte screens are history. And non-replaceable storage and RAM makes me uneasy.
I wonder if Apple under Tim Cook has been any more responsive to the anti-glare issue?
Very happy with my MacBook Pro 13″, and I don’t suffer from eyestrain (yet), however, a friend – who does suffer from eyestrain – is looking for a MacBook Pro or iMac to replace her old burned-out MacBook Pro. I was gob-smacked I couldn’t find a matte screen option for either, except the 15″ MacBook Pro, albeit for an extra eighty quid. £80 for a small sheet of glass????.
We pay top dollar for the privilege of owning and using a Mac. Why does Apple not offer a matte screen option? They used to. Much as I like Macs’ usability and reliability, their restrictive lifestyle/design options (virtually none!) are beginning to get up my nose.
Dave
I simply can’t work with a glossy display because I get eyestrain after 2 minutes. I have used Mac professionally for 22 years. I will be forced to buy a non-Mac if Apple continues to not offer a matte option.
(France)
Definitely want matte!
I switched to Mac in 2009 – I love Mac but I promised myself never to make the mistake of buying another glossy screen computer again. I went through at least 3 matte films on my quest for the perfect one (and found that there is no perfect matte film). Here we are in 2012 and I am ready to replace my MacBook Pro. I would love to buy another Mac but I am sticking to my guns. As much as I love Apple, the one thing I need my computer to have is a matte screen. I use my computer to study and work and reflections distract me. I would absolutely pay more for a matte screen “upgrade.” I would also switch back to Windows if Apple doesn’t come around and offer a matte display (option) for one of its new products. The anti-reflective “coating” just doesn’t cut it – believe me I tried to like it but I just don’t.
+1
I can clearly read the titles of the books on the bookshelf behind me in the reflection of the glossy screen. This might be a good security measure if a burglar were to sneak up on me from behind, but under normal situation, the glossy screen really strains my eyes.
How about some “truth in lending”, Apple? The new Retina display does not reduce glare by 70% … no way. And if Apple insists that is the case, then please provide details on their methodology behind that ridiculous claim. But more to the point, the call for a matte display option is about REFLECTION and GLARE – not just GLARE alone. In effect, right now, a user of a Retina display gets a softer glare, though certainly not a 70% reduction. But like before, the user still gets a 100% reflection. So like it or not, the Retina display barely scratches the surface of the problem. I hate to say it, but as the new iMac’s are rumored to be of a new physical design that will mean it will be less thick. This almost certainly means that the new iMac will use the Retina display. And ironically, if you look at the ratings of the Cinema Display, you will see that it is 3 1/2 stars out of 5. The predominate reason for the vast majority of low scores for the display is REFLECTION and GLARE complaints. The engineering to accommodate a matte display for the iMac and Cinema Display is is not rocket science for a company like Apple, ESPECIALLY WHEN CUSTOMERS ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY A FAT PREMIUM FOR A MATTE option!!
I fully agree!
I just moved my glossy-screen iMac from my office to my house and it’s horrific. And the Mac Mini option offers a sucky graphics card, so I’m either going to have to switch back to a Windows PC or get a Mac Mini since I’m a photographer and need to spend hours in front of a computer.
Nippon Electric Glass demos liquid crystal lens and ‘invisible glass’ at CEATEC (video)
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/04/nippon-electric-glass-liquid-crystal-lens-invisible-glass
Less glare and less reflection, but I rather have a true standard matte display for no glare and no reflection.
___
Sharp ‘Moth Eye’ LCD Panel demo shows off future HDTVs with less glare
Thanks to nanoscale irregularities on its surface similar to the eye of a moth it claims to give bright colors and high contrast while cutting down glare as seen above (moth eye panel on the left)
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/07/sharp-moth-eye-lcd-panel-demo-shows-off-future-hdtvs-with-less
Well, the picture on the left looks amazing: no glare and no reflection!
Here is a very interesting article about the broad interest in a matte display by Apple customers.
http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/08/10/imac-2012-needs-anti-glare/
But I guess it is just too hard to do for Apple…..or that they intend to pursue the bogus retina display argument in lieu of offering a matte display.
Dear Apple…
We run a print company in New Zealand and currently have 9 G5 PowerMacs that we want to replace with iMacs (new MacPros are too expensive now). Unfortunately the glossy screens mean we have to go down the dreaded PC route.
We really don’t want to because we love our Macs but unfortuantely the incredible inaccuracy of the glossy screen’s colour means we have no choice!
(New Zealand)
I can survive with glossy screens on touch devices (iPhone, iPad), at least until a matte touch screen is developed. However, I cannot live without a matte desktop display. This is the reason I won’t by an iMac or an Apple Display. Please, Apple, do some research and solve this problem or just give us matte desktop displays.
I bought a MacBook Pro Retina on Labor Day weekend and a couple days later woke up suffering from vertigo. It has not let up since and I’m about to toss the machine. It goes away when I stay away from the machine for a day or two. I recommend you spend some time with one before you purchase. If the glossy Retina screen is causing the condition, Apple’s going to have to answer for it.
This is my friendly message to Apple. I’m willing to spend thousands of dollars on a new computer. All you need to do is offer me a matte option. No matte option = no new computer
I must have a matte screen on a desktop computer. Until Apple release a new matte one I will continue using my old HD Cinema Display.
Dear Apple
I love your design. I’ve just invested in a MacBook Pro with antiglare screen. It’s a joy to work with something so beautifully created every day. Apple, please can you make antiglare screens available on more products. In particular an updated antiglare Cinema Display, which could be combined with Mac Mini/ Tower/ MacBook for those who need it.
A
I just returned a 27″ Apple Cinema Display because the glossy display was unusable due to the glare. I loved every other feature but the glossy finish and won’t buy a Mac display or computer that doesn’t have a matte display.
Honestly, I can’t believe Apple refuses to offer an option for a matte screen. My eyes are great and don’t strain but I hate the distracting reflections. Glossy screens are great for some people who don’t mind the downsides of those screens, but at least give the rest of us an option.
I just bought a Lenovo X1 Carbon instead of a MacBook Air for the sole reason that I won’t buy a machine with a glossy screen. I would gladly buy a Mac with a matte screen and I’m even willing to pay extra for it.
I have wanted to buy an iMac now for several years but I keep buying Hewlett Packard’s because I can’t get a matte screen iMac. Hard to believe such a smart company as Apple can act so STUPID.
The newest late 2012 iteration of the iMac – with the laminated glass screen – shows that Apple is aware that glare and reflections are causing it to lose business, but it also proves that Apple stubbornly has no intention whatsoever of returning to a matte screen in its design. The most we can do, at this point, is try to convince Apple to go with Nippon’s Invisible Glass. What I don’t get is why, when Apple clearly now recognizes that glare is a problem, it chooses to address the problem by merely reducing glare instead being an industry leader by eliminating it completely with the Invisible Glass. Perhaps Apple is locked into a contract to use Corning’s Gorilla Glass for the time being, or maybe Nippon’s glass is too thick at the moment to meet its parameters. Either way, the laminated screen treatment is unsatisfactory because the glare and reflections are still present.
I just returned a glossy desktop.
I need a new Mac. I am still using the PowerPC 10.4. It’s getting old. So I find I can’t get a matte screen. And I am upset. I was ready to buy a new Mac this month. Now I don’t know what to do. Absolutely do not want a glossy screen. I can’t take the glare, the eye pain, the headaches. There should be a matte antiglare option.Finding that there isn’t has stopped my purchase at this point. Looking for other options. Will the anti glare film work? What can be done to make it useable for me? Apple, please accept that the glossy screen is an issue for many many users. And an option of getting matte should be made available.
The Macbook Air seems almost perfect for my current needs, as I find myself in need of a portable laptop to complement my luggable w520 workstation of a laptop. Unfortunately, after viewing the Air in the store and seeing the stark reflection of my shirt, I realized that this machine will probably be utterly useless in the environments where it’s intended to be used – airports, planes, hotel lobbies and in various office rooms (ours and client’s), where lighting varies outside my control, from bright ceiling lights to panorama like windows letting in *lots* of sunlight. Using the laptop in anything but a gloomy environment will probably destroy my eyesight as well, not to mention cause constant headache.
To Apple I have to say that I value my eyesight and health more than anything else. Give me a laptop designed for working in non-studio or gothic environments and I’ll gladly make you and your shareholders even richer. Until then, the yearly capex rounds will continue to end up in Lenovo’s bank account instead of yours.
(Norway)
I want a matte screen
Martin
I will not buy a glossy-screen Mac either. Keep up the good work! I am a 3D designer and totally happy with my matte MacBook Pro. I actually can’t understand why anyone would want a glossy screen with tons of glare. Do people request to have glasses with glare? Decent picture framing glass is always anti-glare. Glare is not a feature! it is defect!
No glossy for me, EVER. Come on Apple.
I own a 15″ MacBook Pro with a matte screen that I am very happy with. My work requires the use of two screens, so I have a 22″ Cinema Display on the side. I often find myself squinting at the Cinema Display glossy screen and sometimes, during certain times of the year (sun angle), need to move open windows back and forth to my matte screen to analyze my data. I don’t understand why Apple needs to prioritise form over function (or profit margin) to such an extent as to not offer a non-glare surface on all of their screens.
I am a Mac fan. I have owned three 17″ MacBook Pros, a 13″ MacBook Pro, and an iMac over the last several years. My current laptop is a 17″ MacBook Pro with a matte screen purchased in 2010. I am thinking of replacing it with a new MacBook with a matte screen. I was very surprised to find that Apple doesn’t offer this option anymore!
The 13″ MacBook I own has a glossy screen and it is terrible to view in most office lighting conditions (fluorescent overhead lighting) or outside.
Apple needs to rethink this. A matte screen is an option I am willing to pay for. I am sure it wasn’t a popular option, but that’s because when I bought my MacBook I had to specifically request such a screen. No one at the Apple Store mentioned it was an option or explained why I might want it. The Apple Store didn’t even have a laptop with a matte screen to demo!
If you’ve not seen the new late 2012 iMacs (the thin iMac), let me tell you, for Apple to claim a 75% reduction in glare is deplorable. Sure, under specific circumstances, the reduced glare is there, but to make such a claim … nonsense. Due to this, I share with you the “feedback” I sent Apple today.
Dear Apple,
I’ve been an Apple addict for over 15 years now. I’ve owned Apple products from multiple iPods, iPhones, laptops, and desktops which brings me to now. I wrote you a few years back concerning the glossy screens on the iMacs and offering a matte option for them. Well I’m writing you again about the same issue. I’ve waited patiently for the late 2012 iMac models to come out so I could see just how good the new anti-glare screens are, and I have to tell you that they are a failure. I have noticed the reduced glare under “specific” conditions, but I do not see anything near a 75% reduction as advertised. As I stated in the last feedback I sent concerning this, “I’ve never been to a movie theater that had a glossy screen”. Apple, I’m ready to purchase a new system. Please consider offering an anti-glare option. There are many out here who feel the same as I.
Sincerely,
Eric Gillespie
Hi Eric,
Yes I agree. I am not satisfied with the so-called 75% less reflective screens of the new iMac. In the Apple Store that I went to, the walls are covered by brightly back-lit advertising panels.
When viewing the screen of the late 2012 iMac, there are three scenarios:
i) When viewing subject matter with a dark tone — e.g. the Mountain Lion desktop, the dpreview.com website, this macmatte petition site, photographs with large areas of dark tones — in those dark areas, the background reflections can be clearly seen. Totally unacceptable. For viewing dark subject matter, Apple claim of 75% less reflection is absolute nonsense, utter marketing spin, bordering on deception. Whether a reflection is slightly darker does not make it better for people who are distracted by reflections on the screen. Whereas a true anti-glare screen will diffuse the light to the extent that the background image is no longer recognizable.
If the total aim of the exercise is merely to reduce the amount of reflection, then, by that criteria, Apple succeeded.
But, if the aim of the exercise is to provide a viewing surface where the reflections are minimised to such an extent where the user cannot discern the clear, articulate detail of the background reflection, so that there is minimised effect on eyestrain and distraction — by that criteria, even the 75% reduction does not cut it. Even a darker reflection still is a distraction. Even a darker reflection causes the user’s eyes to try to focus on two different planes – the screen, and the reflected image plane.
ii) When viewing white portions of the screen, e.g. a blank word-processing document, or email in Apple Mail, the screen is actually quite decent. The reflections, whilst still there, are fairly subdued. I think in such situations, the screen is fairly ok, through nowhere near as good as a conventional anti-glare screen. I would say that, under ideal lighting, the new iMac screen is totally superb, brilliant, gorgeous, sublime … But the point is, which of us views subject matter that is consistently white. In the real world, we all view things that have dark portions. So the reflections are going to play havoc when viewing dark subject matter.
iii) As for when the background is extremely bright, e.g. when your late 2012 iMac directly faces a bright sunlit window where the outside view is flooded in sunlight, I don’t think you’ll be able to test for that in an Apple Store. You’d need to purchase the iMac from Apple directly (not from a re-seller) so that you can return the iMac to Apple within 14 calendar days (or whatever the return period is, whenever) if you’re not satisfied.
MacMatte
Check out some current reviews at:
Why is Apple insisting on Glossy Displays?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3191456
We have been using Macs for a very long time. Currently I have an iPad 3 with a matte screen protector, a MacBook Pro with the matte screen option, and 2 iMacs G5′s. I would love to upgrade but because of my use-environment I really need a matte/non-glare screen. PLEASE, Apple, provide a matte screen iMac or at least a matte anti-glare option.
Thanks.
Frustrated Macie
Today I have compared the new (October 2012) Apple iMac 21.5-inch side-by-side with the previous model.
Apple has certainly reduced the glare and reflections, but in no way these new screens are comparable to the wonderful matte ones. Glare and reflections are still there in the new screen, specially on black backgrounds.
So, the petition must continue! Apple: we want true matte displays. Even if more expensive. We want to work, not mirrors, headaches or sore eyes!
A quote from a German Mac website:
Google translate:
“A frequent criticism of the iMac are strong reflections of glass. A complete anti-glare version is still not available, but Apple has reduced the direct light reflections by a special coating of the glass. Especially in comparison with the previous model can be said clearly. Nonetheless, in comparison to conventional anti-glare screens, the iMac still reflects too much light. He should not put up with a light source at the back of the user. Our measurements in the darkroom confirm the good subjective impression of the display. Brightness, contrast, homogeneity and color space are all located on the same level as the previous models, or something better.”
Original
“Ein häufiger Kritikpunkt am iMac sind die starken Reflexionen der Glasscheibe. Eine vollständig entspiegelte Version ist nach wie vor nicht erhältlich, aber Apple hat die direkten Licht-Reflexionen durch eine spezielle Beschichtung der Glasscheibe reduziert. Besonders im Vergleich mit dem Vorgängermodell kann man das deutlich erkennen. Dennoch: Im Vergleich zu herkömmlichen entspiegelten Monitoren reflektiert der iMac immer noch zuviel Licht. Man sollte ihn also nicht mit einer Lichtquelle im Rücken des Anwenders aufstellen. Unsere Messungen im Dunkelraum bestätigen den guten subjektiven Eindruck des Displays. Helligkeit, Kontrast, Homogenität und Farbraum liegen allesamt auf dem Niveau der Vorgängermodelle oder etwas besser.”
http://www.macwelt.de/produkte/iMacs-im-Test-Test-iMacs-2012-in-der-Praxis-und-im-Labor-7123485.html
My iPad kills my eyes. 10 minutes and I cannot see clearly for an hour. I hate the glossy screen of my iPad and have parked it. I am going to sell it and buy another brand.
I am using a MacBook Pro 17″ with a high-res matte display, and would like to keep it as long as possible waiting for Apple to offer an iMac or Cinema Display with matte display, BUT I won’t wait too long … so if Apple won’t announce the matte displays I will buy a Dell or Eizo display after 2 months and post again in this forum and tell everyone I know how disappointed I am because of Apple’s mirror-production!
Also I am wondering if I should wait any longer for a Mac Pro with Thunderbolt. Maybe back to Microsoft Windows is the BEST what Apple deserves!
No matter how much Apple shows/tells us what cool things the new Thunderbolt display has to offer, I wont buy it. I wouldn’t take it if it’s free … well, I would and then re-sell it to some stupid HillBilly Apple Fan. Glossy displays are crap and annoying in day to day work. If Apple is going to offer a non-glossy Thunderbolt display I might get one or even two. I am really sure that thousands of other experienced Apple users (not Apple Fans!!!) will do the same.
The glossy screen has annoyed, fatigued and inconvenienced me every working-day for TWO YEARS. The one thing that will persuade me to update to the latest iMac is a non-reflective surface.
Agree that glossy is PAINFUL.
Few ways to make many complains to Apple:
1. Write many many messages to CEO and the market department.
2. Call Support, maybe once a week and whine a lot.
3. Visit Apple stores – whine a lot to the Apple employees.
4. Anything else will work.
Send feedback to Apple
http://www.apple.com/feedback
Send feedback to Apple Store
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC914LL/B/apple-thunderbolt-display-27-inch
I just came back from the Apple Store after having had a first look at the new 2012 iMac “75% less glare” screen. I laughed when I saw it and the guy came over and said. “OK … what’s so funny?” and I said, “Um, this.” He did not have a good sense of humor. What a piece of unusable crap! The fact that Apple ignores their ORIGINAL base – the creative world – is such a bitch slap. However, they are having the last laugh and are rollin’ in insanimoney.
So true. To claim a 75% reduction in the reflection of a new 2012 iMac display is completely ridiculous. I challenge Apple to share the methodology they used to come to that conclusion. For the life of me, what is so hard about Apple offering customers a matte display option when we are not talking about new technology? And, oh by the way, I would be VERY HAPPY to pay for it. Maybe, just maybe, pressure from the professional community over the last few years might have persuaded Apple to offer a matte display in the forthcoming update of the Thunderbolt display. But I am not holding my breath … and expect more of the same glossy crap!
I much prefer using a matte (antiglare) screen. I notice this most when I have to use a glossy screen and find I will suffer from headaches and eye strain. As a result I am still using my late 2006 iMac as my main computer.
Add me to the petition for the antiglare iMac and external Mac display. Glare and glossy eye fatigue is debilitating!
Samuel Beck
Apple, reintroduce matte anti-glare screens, please!
I have and will in the future pay for a matte screen. My 2008 17″ MacBook Pro with factory matte option died on the weekend and I’m scouring the internet to find an old or refurbished model. Now I’m getting paranoid and thinking my 30″ Cinema Display is developing backlight flicker. This would not be a worry if replacements were available with anti-glare.
Ian G
(Australia)
Apple, I need a laptop with a good matte display. I’m into photography. Serious photographers don’t mess with glaring shiny displays! Ask Eizo or Lacie. I won’t buy a MacBook Air, Pro or iMac until they have a matte (S-IPS or S-PVA) display.
Apple, please wake up and listen to your most loyal users.We professionals need antiglare screens. If you continue to refuse to offer them, we will have to abandon Apple and go back to Microsoft Windows PCs.
I’ll replace all my displays with new Apple products if Apple launches a matte option.
I bought a MacBook Pro and now have constant migraines from the glossy screen. I really want an anti-glare, matte screen. This is awful. I spent a lot of money and now don’t know what to do.
Please, Apple, … matte screens only. I have a matte 17″ MacBook Pro and don’t ever want to upgrade, because glossy screens are awful. We have a glossy iMac at home, but I have to keep it in a relatively dark room, with the only window behind it, so OK. But a laptop is always in different locations and needs to be matte. I love the matte display of my present MacBook Pro. But I’d like to upgrade to a Retina screen while retaining matte (and 17″, for that matter, which I suppose will never return).
Matte screen, anti-glare screens, please, Apple.
Matte, now, please!
I am a graphic designer. As long as they are gloss (even the “better” new “low” gloss version), I will never buy an Apple Cinema Display or an iMac. I just can’t suffer the headaches and eye strain. If all MacBook Pros wind up with gloss screens, I’m really not sure what I’ll do, aside from losing significant confidence and affection for Apple products. There are pages and pages of forum posts and tech articles out there from people who feel the same way. There are iMac and Cinema Display users out there removing the glass – there’s even a company passionate enough about this to produce empty bevels replicating the original look to enable people to leave the glass out long term without their display looking like hell – and there are users praising and recommending it all over the place. (macframe.com) When droves of Apple’s customers are pulling the glass right off the product themselves and reframing it because there’s really no other suitable option if you want to keep using Apple products, there is a major problem.
Glossy displays are great for selling sexy looking computers at the Apple store, but are awful in terms of usability. I had a Retina display MacBook Pro that I had to return so I could purchase a matte anti-glare MacBook Pro. I just couldn’t handle the constant headaches, eyestrain, wiggling around and tilting the laptop constantly just to freaking see! This is an absurd exercise in style-over-substance. I will never buy a glossy product, ever. If that means I have to leave Macs behind, so be it.
Would like to use Apple’s MacBook Air but only if it has a matte screen, never with these useless glossy screens.
(Germany)
I also had to return a Retina-display MacBook Pro because of glare problems (and resulting headaches). I hope that Apple will consider the significant demand for a 13″ matte screen in this forum and others.
I’m about to purchase the Dell UltraSharp U2913WM because of the glare issues with Apple’s glossy displays. My office is back-lit with clear story windows from above. I have a 23″ Apple Cinema Display with matte surface – which works great (no glare) – but can’t find a second one (not made any longer) for dual display.
I have been a Mac user since 1986. I was waiting to buy the new 2012 iMac, until I discovered that it comes with a glossy screen. I unfortunately cannot tolerate glare. Then I looked into the Mac Mini with a non-Apple screen, but the Mac Mini’s hard drive is basically that of a laptop, defeating the purpose of buying a new desktop. So I am stuck.
Apple, please consider adding a matte screen option to the iMac and to the Cinema Display. In the meantime, I will hobble along on my 2006 MacBook Pro with the matte screen.
Thanks
The MacBook Air is “sleek, durable and ready for anything”, except using it for what it seems to be disigned for: both in and outdoors. The glare of the glossy sceen was already very noticable at the iCentre Apple Store, so it’s a no-buy unless a no-glare or matte display version will be available. Very disappointing!
(Amsterdam, Netherlands)
I am so very frustrated … paid a lot of money for a new glossy Apple Cinema Display, but I am using my old display because it is matte. Now I have to try and install a film on my new expensive display that will only cause me more frustration. I even went and had my eyes examined because I was getting headaches every day working with the new monitor – there is nothing wrong with my eyes! IT IS THE GLARE!!! So very disappointed in Apple. My loyalty is diminished day after day that my new Apple products lose user-quality and production quality. My new 27″ display caught on fire the first month I purchased it and Apple had to send me a new one. I should have told Apple to keep it if I had any idea how frustrating this lack of anti-glare issue would become in my busy work day.
I work at a university where Apple products are used by both students and faculty. One of the major complaints from Apple university users is the glossy screens. Many people have tried to purchase anti-glare film to place on their Apple products to resolve this problem without much success. The users with desktop machines (Mac Pros and Minis) are now purchasing non-Apple monitors due to the glare issue. Unfortunately there is not a good solution for the other Apple products I’m aware of. I now try to warn future Apple users of the glare issues prior to their new purchases. I’m hopeful that one day Apple will release an updated product line that will address this problem.
Apple, we need a 24″ 1920×1200 MATTE Thunderbolt display !!!!!
(Italy)
I’ve been using my 2006 iMac with 20″ matte screen for 7 years, day in day out, and it’s slowly dying. I’m desperate to upgrade, but refuse to buy a mirror-Mac. Apple, we need a 24″ 1920×1200 MATTE display !!!!!
(London)
I have an answer for all of this! Buy a damn Windows PC!
I am a graphic artist. I also have photosensitive epilepsy (particular light patterns and reflections can trigger seizures). I had to get rid of my iMac because screen-glare aggravated my epilepsy. I now have a Mac Mini and an Eizo monitor. I want to buy a MacBook Pro, no larger than 13″, but will not because no matte screen is currently available.
I am a proponent of the matte screen for the iMac. I have a G5 iMac with a matte screen and a 27″ iMac with a glossy screen. The glossy screen iMac is harder to look at due to the glare. The G5 iMac has a beautiful screen with no glare and is much easier to look at. I love the matte as compared to the glossy. Maybe there is a way to buff off the shine from the glossy screen?